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Post by dawglf on May 2, 2017 23:05:41 GMT
So let's say for your sake that it is just the behavior. Isn't it strange that the first pope would be acting in a way that is contrary to the gospel? No. St. Peter was still a human being after all, & could make mistakes. Papal Infallibility does not mean that a Pope is sinless. Papal Infallibility refers to when the Pope is teaching doctrine. And what makes the Pope's teaching infallible? Nothing in the Bible about anybody's teaching being infallible except for Jesus.
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Post by clusium on May 2, 2017 23:18:03 GMT
No. St. Peter was still a human being after all, & could make mistakes. Papal Infallibility does not mean that a Pope is sinless. Papal Infallibility refers to when the Pope is teaching doctrine. And what makes the Pope's teaching infallible? Nothing in the Bible about anybody's teaching being infallible except for Jesus. The Holy Spirit Teaching him what to say.
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Post by cupcakes on May 2, 2017 23:27:16 GMT
tpfkar It is a criminal organization, after all. I suppose you are the type of person who believe Adolf Hitler was an altruist then, if you think Mother Teresa was evil. ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/roll.gif)
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Post by dawglf on May 2, 2017 23:35:11 GMT
And what makes the Pope's teaching infallible? Nothing in the Bible about anybody's teaching being infallible except for Jesus. The Holy Spirit Teaching him what to say. The holy spirit teaches me too. Doea that mean I am pope?
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 2:54:45 GMT
The Holy Spirit Teaching him what to say. The holy spirit teaches me too. Doea that mean I am pope? You are not in the line of Apostolic Succession. So no.
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Post by dawglf on May 3, 2017 2:57:24 GMT
The holy spirit teaches me too. Doea that mean I am pope? You do not have Apostolic Succession so no.I see. Apostolic succession. I'm sure that's biblical
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 2:58:03 GMT
The holy spirit teaches me too. Doea that mean I am pope? You are not in the line of Apostolic Succession. So no. Where do you find the teaching that the successors to Peter will forever have doctrinal infallibility?
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 3:02:01 GMT
You do not have Apostolic Succession so no.I see. Apostolic succession. I'm sure that's biblical Yes it is. There are 12 Apostles: Sts. Peter, Paul, Andrew, James, John, Jude Thaddeus, Simon, Bartholomew, James, Matthew, Philip, & Thomas. (St. Matthias was the stand-in until Christ Chose St. Paul.)
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 3:03:01 GMT
You are not in the line of Apostolic Succession. So no. Where do you find the teaching that the successors to Peter will forever have doctrinal infallibility? In St. Matthew chapter 16, where St. Peter infallibly declared the Lord Jesus as the Christ.
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Post by Deleted on May 3, 2017 3:07:59 GMT
Where do you find the teaching that the successors to Peter will forever have doctrinal infallibility? In St. Matthew chapter 16, where St. Peter infallibly declared the Lord Jesus as the Christ. That says nothing about infallibility, nor does it mention anything about Peter's direct successors. And in the original Greek, it doesn't even mean what Catholics think it means.
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Post by dawglf on May 3, 2017 3:12:40 GMT
Yes it is. There are 12 Apostles: Sts. Peter, Paul, Andrew, James, John, Jude Thaddeus, Simon, Bartholomew, James, Matthew, Philip, & Thomas. (St. Matthias was the stand-in until Christ Chose St. Paul.) There were Twelve Apostles but there is absolutely nothing that says anything about Apostolic succession. . 38. 'John said unto him, Teacher, we saw one casting out demons in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followed not us. Vs. 39. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man who shall do a mighty work in my name, and be able quickly to speak evil of me. Vs. 40. For he that is not against us is for us. (Mark 9:38-40. ASV).
That pretty much shoots down any idea of apostolic succession
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 3:29:23 GMT
Yes it is. There are 12 Apostles: Sts. Peter, Paul, Andrew, James, John, Jude Thaddeus, Simon, Bartholomew, James, Matthew, Philip, & Thomas. (St. Matthias was the stand-in until Christ Chose St. Paul.) There were Twelve Apostles but there is absolutely nothing that says anything about Apostolic succession. . 38. 'John said unto him, Teacher, we saw one casting out demons in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followed not us. Vs. 39. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man who shall do a mighty work in my name, and be able quickly to speak evil of me. Vs. 40. For he that is not against us is for us. (Mark 9:38-40. ASV).
That pretty much shoots down any idea of apostolic succession Uhm....How does the fact that Christ Points out that people who have faith in Him, are part of His flock, disprove Apostolic Succession? ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/giveup.gif)
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Post by dawglf on May 3, 2017 3:34:05 GMT
There were Twelve Apostles but there is absolutely nothing that says anything about Apostolic succession. . 38. 'John said unto him, Teacher, we saw one casting out demons in thy name; and we forbade him, because he followed not us. Vs. 39. But Jesus said, Forbid him not: for there is no man who shall do a mighty work in my name, and be able quickly to speak evil of me. Vs. 40. For he that is not against us is for us. (Mark 9:38-40. ASV).
That pretty much shoots down any idea of apostolic succession Uhm....How does the fact that Christ Points out that people who have faith in Him, are part of His flock, disprove Apostolic Succession? ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/giveup.gif) Jesus strongly seemed to indicate no future institutional Christian structure of men could ever claim exclusive ownership of the gospel message. If such a structure should do so, it would be without divine authority. Has there ever been anything that the Catholic Church teaches that you disagree with? I highly doubt it
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Post by maya55555 on May 3, 2017 3:36:28 GMT
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Read the ACTS of the APOSTLES; in the Bible.
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Post by dawglf on May 3, 2017 3:41:07 GMT
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Read the ACTS of the APOSTLES; in the Bible. I have rrads Acts and there was nothing in there about Apostolic succession
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 3:42:17 GMT
Uhm....How does the fact that Christ Points out that people who have faith in Him, are part of His flock, disprove Apostolic Succession? ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/giveup.gif) Jesus strongly seemed to indicate no future institutional Christian structure of men could ever claim exclusive ownership of the gospel message. If such a structure should do so, it would be without divine authority. Has there ever been anything that the Catholic Church teaches that you disagree with? I highly doubt it So Jesus was Lying when He Said He was Going to Build His Church upon the Rock of St. Peter (St. Matthew chapter 16)? ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/giveup.gif)
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Post by dawglf on May 3, 2017 3:53:24 GMT
Jesus strongly seemed to indicate no future institutional Christian structure of men could ever claim exclusive ownership of the gospel message. If such a structure should do so, it would be without divine authority. Has there ever been anything that the Catholic Church teaches that you disagree with? I highly doubt it So Jesus was Lying when He Said He was Going to Build His Church upon the Rock of St. Peter (St. Matthew chapter 16)? ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/giveup.gif) Jesus going to himself as the rock that the church will be built on. You look the contacts from the previous verses that is what is being said there. Even Peter calls Christ the Cornerstone. I mean that is the only verse that you have out of the entire New Testament. And they read a whole lot into it. And you didn't answer my question. Have you ever disagreed with the Catholic Church on anything or do you accept it like the sheep that you are?
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 4:02:53 GMT
So Jesus was Lying when He Said He was Going to Build His Church upon the Rock of St. Peter (St. Matthew chapter 16)? ![](http://i36.photobucket.com/albums/e41/imdbv2/imdbsmileys/giveup.gif) Jesus going to himself as the rock that the church will be built on. You look the contacts from the previous verses that is what is being said there. Even Peter calls Christ the Cornerstone. I mean that is the only verse that you have out of the entire New Testament. And they read a whole lot into it. And you didn't answer my question. Have you ever disagreed with the Catholic Church on anything or do you accept it like the sheep that you are? Peter's original name was Simon Bar Jonah. Christ Renamed him Peter, when he openly declared Him the long-awaited Messiah. When I was younger, I disagreed with some of the teachings of the Church. As I learned more, I came to realize my Church was right.
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Post by dawglf on May 3, 2017 4:04:26 GMT
Jesus going to himself as the rock that the church will be built on. You look the contacts from the previous verses that is what is being said there. Even Peter calls Christ the Cornerstone. I mean that is the only verse that you have out of the entire New Testament. And they read a whole lot into it. And you didn't answer my question. Have you ever disagreed with the Catholic Church on anything or do you accept it like the sheep that you are? Peter's original name was Simon Bar Jonah. Christ Renamed him Peter, when he openly declared Him the long-awaited Messiah. When I was younger, I disagreed with some of the teachings of the Church. As I learned more, I came to realize my Church was right. So basically you'll believe anything that the church tells you even though the Bible says something completely different because you believe in the traditions of the church over the scripture. Like a good Catholic would
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 4:09:23 GMT
Peter's original name was Simon Bar Jonah. Christ Renamed him Peter, when he openly declared Him the long-awaited Messiah. When I was younger, I disagreed with some of the teachings of the Church. As I learned more, I came to realize my Church was right. So basically you'll believe anything that the church tells you even though the Bible says something completely different because you believe in the traditions of the church over the scripture. Like a good Catholic would The Church does not teach anything contrary to what the Holy Bible teaches.
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