Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 12:32:12 GMT
I think Catholics have some funky beliefs about the Pope, but I wouldn't consider them outside the realm of Christendom.
|
|
|
Post by phludowin on May 1, 2017 13:37:29 GMT
Jesus is the savior and only way to God. A statement for which there is as much evidence as for Pope Francis being the president of the WWE. Or Putin being head of the Russian-Orthodox Church. Oh, wait...
|
|
|
Post by thefleetsin on May 1, 2017 15:02:37 GMT
they pulled the stick out and inserted the other end?
|
|
|
Post by cupcakes on May 1, 2017 15:18:05 GMT
tpfkar You seem to start Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler threads for him frequently enough. On what other board can you push your dirty and sickening agenda?
|
|
|
Post by clusium on May 1, 2017 19:16:05 GMT
Yes, he was leader at the Council in Jerusalem. He was the very first Apostle to speak. James didn't speak up until St. Peter had finished. Again, if anywhere Peter’s papacy should be recognized it is at the first great Christian Council, conceded as such by both Catholics and Protestants. First, Peter does not act like a pope; rather he and the others were involved in lengthy debate. Peter makes his defense but it is not Peter who has the last word, it is James. Peter gives his argument, but James concludes the matter and then the vote is taken. As the Leader of the early Church, St. Peter had the first word. Yes, St. James had a say too, but, not before St. Peter spoke up. Just like the Prime Minister is the Head of the Government, but, the Opposition has a say in Parliament too.
|
|
dawglf
Freshman
@dawglf
Posts: 63
Likes: 4
|
Post by dawglf on May 1, 2017 22:36:42 GMT
Again, if anywhere Peter’s papacy should be recognized it is at the first great Christian Council, conceded as such by both Catholics and Protestants. First, Peter does not act like a pope; rather he and the others were involved in lengthy debate. Peter makes his defense but it is not Peter who has the last word, it is James. Peter gives his argument, but James concludes the matter and then the vote is taken. As the Leader of the early Church, St. Peter had the first word. Yes, St. James had a say too, but, not before St. Peter spoke up. Just like the Prime Minister is the Head of the Government, but, the Opposition has a say in Parliament too. If the Pope is supposed to be the Vicar of Christ, then how could he have opposition? How could Paul rebuked him? And how was it none of the New Testament writers mentioned anything about the role and duties of the Pope? Including Peter.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on May 1, 2017 23:21:33 GMT
As the Leader of the early Church, St. Peter had the first word. Yes, St. James had a say too, but, not before St. Peter spoke up. Just like the Prime Minister is the Head of the Government, but, the Opposition has a say in Parliament too. If the Pope is supposed to be the Vicar of Christ, then how could he have opposition? How could Paul rebuked him? And how was it none of the New Testament writers mentioned anything about the role and duties of the Pope? Including Peter. They did mention it. St. Matthew mentioned it in chapter 16, verse 19 of his Gospel, & St. Luke showed it in the Book of Acts. St. Paul rebuked St. Peter's behaviour, not his teaching.
|
|
dawglf
Freshman
@dawglf
Posts: 63
Likes: 4
|
Post by dawglf on May 2, 2017 2:54:42 GMT
If the Pope is supposed to be the Vicar of Christ, then how could he have opposition? How could Paul rebuked him? And how was it none of the New Testament writers mentioned anything about the role and duties of the Pope? Including Peter. They did mention it. St. Matthew mentioned it in chapter 16, verse 19 of his Gospel, & St. Luke showed it in the Book of Acts. St. Paul rebuked St. Peter's behaviour, not his teaching. None of those verses you called it say anything about him being a pope. And there's no teachings about the pope anywhere in the New Testament. And if you was Pope, why would somebody have to review his behavior. And if you read Galatians 2: 14, Paul is basically saying that Peter is teaching a false gospel. So how could a pope be keeping a false gospel, The sad fact is you believe more in your church then you do the Bible.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on May 2, 2017 4:27:26 GMT
They did mention it. St. Matthew mentioned it in chapter 16, verse 19 of his Gospel, & St. Luke showed it in the Book of Acts. St. Paul rebuked St. Peter's behaviour, not his teaching. None of those verses you called it say anything about him being a pope. And there's no teachings about the pope anywhere in the New Testament. And if you was Pope, why would somebody have to review his behavior. And if you read Galatians 2: 14, Paul is basically saying that Peter is teaching a false gospel. So how could a pope be keeping a false gospel, The sad fact is you believe more in your church then you do the Bible. No he wasn't accusing St. Peter of preaching a false Gospel. He was criticizing him for not eating with the Gentiles. Only the Jewish Christians.
|
|
|
Post by Karl Aksel on May 2, 2017 8:33:27 GMT
I believe the gay thing is just part of it - it is symptomatic of the Church's attempt to keep up with the times and be relevant, you know, be down with it, groovy, a little bit less L7. This is typically the Protestant Church, having a less rigid hierarchy than the others. But by opening up and becoming more inclusive, they are actually doing themselves a disservice - because even though they are doing their best to adapt to people's views, that's not what people want. People like rules and structure, that demands are being made of them. What's the attraction of being a member of an organisation if there are no requirements; if just anyone can join? People like to be part of something exclusive. Just like university students joining fraternities - nobody likes the initiation ceremonies, but that's just the point. By enduring a bit of unpleasantness, they can feel good about being members, and feeling a few inches taller than non-members. They don't like going through the initiation ceremony, but they like the fact that they have to. Without it, it wouldn't be as special to be "one of us".
People also like a bit of pomp and circumcstance, and the Orthodox and Catholic churches give them that. But especially the Orthodox church.
In short, if Protestant churches weren't so damned inclusive, I don't think they'd lose so many members.
|
|
dawglf
Freshman
@dawglf
Posts: 63
Likes: 4
|
Post by dawglf on May 2, 2017 12:04:22 GMT
None of those verses you called it say anything about him being a pope. And there's no teachings about the pope anywhere in the New Testament. And if you was Pope, why would somebody have to review his behavior. And if you read Galatians 2: 14, Paul is basically saying that Peter is teaching a false gospel. So how could a pope be keeping a false gospel, The sad fact is you believe more in your church then you do the Bible. No he wasn't accusing St. Peter of preaching a false Gospel. He was criticizing him for not eating with the Gentiles. Only the Jewish Christians. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? Ga 2:14 NASB
|
|
|
Post by clusium on May 2, 2017 12:24:14 GMT
No he wasn't accusing St. Peter of preaching a false Gospel. He was criticizing him for not eating with the Gentiles. Only the Jewish Christians. But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? Ga 2:14 NASB No it isn't.
|
|
|
Post by kls on May 2, 2017 12:52:29 GMT
I think Catholics have some funky beliefs about the Pope, but I wouldn't consider them outside the realm of Christendom. I don't think I have any funky beliefs about the Pope. He's just a man who was elected head of the church. I don't see him as a personal representative of Christ.
|
|
dawglf
Freshman
@dawglf
Posts: 63
Likes: 4
|
Post by dawglf on May 2, 2017 12:54:19 GMT
But when I saw that they were not straightforward about the truth of the gospel, I said to Cephas in the presence of all, "If you, being a Jew, live like the Gentiles and not like the Jews, how is it that you compel the Gentiles to live like Jews? Ga 2:14 NASB No it isn't. Wow. I guess you have a different interpretation of what " not straightfoward" means than most people. But I guess you will do anything to protect Catholic Dogma.
|
|
|
Post by clusium on May 2, 2017 13:32:08 GMT
Wow. I guess you have a different interpretation of what " not straightfoward" means than most people. But I guess you will do anything to protect Catholic Dogma. St. Peter's behaviour was out of line, in St. Paul's eyes. Not his teachings. But, I guess you will do anything to attack the Catholic Church.
|
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 2, 2017 13:42:07 GMT
I think Catholics have some funky beliefs about the Pope, but I wouldn't consider them outside the realm of Christendom. I don't think I have any funky beliefs about the Pope. He's just a man who was elected head of the church. I don't see him as a personal representative of Christ. Catholic doctrine says he is, and that's he's infallible (and all that stuff). But I'm glad we agree.
|
|
dawglf
Freshman
@dawglf
Posts: 63
Likes: 4
|
Post by dawglf on May 2, 2017 14:02:06 GMT
Wow. I guess you have a different interpretation of what " not straightfoward" means than most people. But I guess you will do anything to protect Catholic Dogma. St. Peter's behaviour was out of line, in St. Paul's eyes. Not his teachings. But, I guess you will do anything to attack the Catholic Church. No, his behavior, and teaching, was out of line with the gospel not Paul. So if Peter was the pope and supposed to be infallible then why was his behavior and teaching out of line?
|
|
|
Post by clusium on May 2, 2017 20:59:02 GMT
St. Peter's behaviour was out of line, in St. Paul's eyes. Not his teachings. But, I guess you will do anything to attack the Catholic Church. No, his behavior, and teaching, was out of line with the gospel not Paul. So if Peter was the pope and supposed to be infallible then why was his behavior and teaching out of line? No, his teaching was in line with the Gospel. It was his behaviour that was being criticized.
|
|
dawglf
Freshman
@dawglf
Posts: 63
Likes: 4
|
Post by dawglf on May 2, 2017 21:47:10 GMT
No, his behavior, and teaching, was out of line with the gospel not Paul. So if Peter was the pope and supposed to be infallible then why was his behavior and teaching out of line? No, his teaching was in line with the Gospel. It was his behaviour that was being criticized. So let's say for your sake that it is just the behavior. Isn't it strange that the first pope would be acting in a way that is contrary to the gospel?
|
|
|
Post by clusium on May 2, 2017 22:55:48 GMT
No, his teaching was in line with the Gospel. It was his behaviour that was being criticized. So let's say for your sake that it is just the behavior. Isn't it strange that the first pope would be acting in a way that is contrary to the gospel? No. St. Peter was still a human being after all, & could make mistakes. Papal Infallibility does not mean that a Pope is sinless. Papal Infallibility refers to when the Pope is teaching doctrine.
|
|