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Post by dawglf on May 3, 2017 4:11:38 GMT
So basically you'll believe anything that the church tells you even though the Bible says something completely different because you believe in the traditions of the church over the scripture. Like a good Catholic would The Church does not teach anything contrary to what the Holy Bible teaches. Yes they do and it's been pointed out time and time again. Most of the dogmas of the Catholic Church comes from teaching that's not in the Bible.
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Post by maya55555 on May 3, 2017 4:17:09 GMT
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That is the problem with the Protestant movement; that they interpret anything they want to "read" into scripture.
The last that. I looked there were over 40,000 protestant churches.
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 4:23:01 GMT
The Church does not teach anything contrary to what the Holy Bible teaches. Yes they do and it's been pointed out time and time again. Most of the dogmas of the Catholic Church comes from teaching that's not in the Bible. Wrong!!! Everything the Catholic Church teaches can be backed up by Sacred Scripture. Protestants do not understand Scripture to realize that the Catholic doctrine is backed up by it.
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Post by dawglf on May 3, 2017 5:06:07 GMT
Yes they do and it's been pointed out time and time again. Most of the dogmas of the Catholic Church comes from teaching that's not in the Bible. Wrong!!! Everything the Catholic Church teaches can be backed up by Sacred Scripture. Protestants do not understand Scripture to realize that the Catholic doctrine is backed up by it. Keep telling yourself that. It's very highly arrogant of you to assume that only those in the Catholic church can understand scripture. You guys are just as bad as the Pharisees
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Post by Karl Aksel on May 3, 2017 7:53:21 GMT
Yes they do and it's been pointed out time and time again. Most of the dogmas of the Catholic Church comes from teaching that's not in the Bible. Wrong!!! Everything the Catholic Church teaches can be backed up by Sacred Scripture. Protestants do not understand Scripture to realize that the Catholic doctrine is backed up by it. This is demonstrably false. The concept of purgatory, for example, is nowhere to be found in Scripture. It is simply something which has been extrapolated from a parable - ie. fictional story - told by Jesus, so the scriptural support is tenuous at the very best. Another thing which the Catholic Church is in constant and flagrant violation of (all three major denominations, really, but the Catholic Church especially), is the commandment about graven images: You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.-Exodus 20:4-5 It's part of the Ten Commandments, but not if you're a Catholic. In Jewish tradition, depictions of God or anything holy have been considered grave blasphemy. Yet Catholics are happy to make all sorts of graven images of Jesus (and of Mary), and bow down to them as if these man-made creations possess any more of God's holiness than the kitchen sink. They are doing precisely what the Bible explicitly and unequivocally forbids in this regard.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 3, 2017 8:02:45 GMT
Wrong!!! Everything the Catholic Church teaches can be backed up by Sacred Scripture. Protestants do not understand Scripture to realize that the Catholic doctrine is backed up by it. This is demonstrably false. The concept of purgatory, for example, is nowhere to be found in Scripture. It is simply something which has been extrapolated from a parable - ie. fictional story - told by Jesus, so the scriptural support is tenuous at the very best. Another thing which the Catholic Church is in constant and flagrant violation of (all three major denominations, really, but the Catholic Church especially), is the commandment about graven images: You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.-Exodus 20:4-5 It's part of the Ten Commandments, but not if you're a Catholic. In Jewish tradition, depictions of God or anything holy have been considered grave blasphemy. Yet Catholics are happy to make all sorts of graven images of Jesus (and of Mary), and bow down to them as if these man-made creations possess any more of God's holiness than the kitchen sink. They are doing precisely what the Bible explicitly and unequivocally forbids in this regard. I notice a distinction between Hades, or the Underworld, and Hell, or the Pit. I think that Purgatory is simply the Catholic name for Hades. The Harrowing of Hell has a nice ring to it, but anyone in Hell would be irredeemably evil, and why would Jesus take anyone out of there? Sheol, Hades, and Gehenna
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Post by Karl Aksel on May 3, 2017 8:22:43 GMT
This is demonstrably false. The concept of purgatory, for example, is nowhere to be found in Scripture. It is simply something which has been extrapolated from a parable - ie. fictional story - told by Jesus, so the scriptural support is tenuous at the very best. Another thing which the Catholic Church is in constant and flagrant violation of (all three major denominations, really, but the Catholic Church especially), is the commandment about graven images: You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.-Exodus 20:4-5 It's part of the Ten Commandments, but not if you're a Catholic. In Jewish tradition, depictions of God or anything holy have been considered grave blasphemy. Yet Catholics are happy to make all sorts of graven images of Jesus (and of Mary), and bow down to them as if these man-made creations possess any more of God's holiness than the kitchen sink. They are doing precisely what the Bible explicitly and unequivocally forbids in this regard. I notice a distinction between Hades, or the Underworld, and Hell, or the Pit. I think that Purgatory is simply the Catholic name for Hades. The Harrowing of Hell has a nice ring to it, but anyone in Hell would be irredeemably evil, and why would Jesus take anyone out of there? Sheol, Hades, and GehennaSo people who go to hell are irredeemably evil? I thought that, according to Christian teaching, hell was reserved for people who did not accept Christ.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 3, 2017 8:27:08 GMT
I notice a distinction between Hades, or the Underworld, and Hell, or the Pit. I think that Purgatory is simply the Catholic name for Hades. The Harrowing of Hell has a nice ring to it, but anyone in Hell would be irredeemably evil, and why would Jesus take anyone out of there? Sheol, Hades, and GehennaSo people who go to hell are irredeemably evil? I thought that, according to Christian teaching, hell was reserved for people who did not accept Christ. Yeah, you probably think a lot of things.
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Post by Karl Aksel on May 3, 2017 8:39:52 GMT
So people who go to hell are irredeemably evil? I thought that, according to Christian teaching, hell was reserved for people who did not accept Christ. Yeah, you probably think a lot of things. Translation: "I got nothing."
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 3, 2017 8:45:14 GMT
Yeah, you probably think a lot of things. Translation: "I got nothing." I got rhythm. I got music. Who could ask for anything more?
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Post by Karl Aksel on May 3, 2017 8:49:15 GMT
Translation: "I got nothing." I got rhythm. I got music. Who could ask for anything more? Oh really? How do you propose to resolve the unfinished quadruple fugue in Bach's Kunst der Fuge?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 3, 2017 8:54:25 GMT
I got rhythm. I got music. Who could ask for anything more? Oh really? How do you propose to resolve the unfinished quadruple fugue in Bach's Kunst der Fuge? Hmmm. In cases like these, I find that "I'm still collating" is a good safe response.
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 10:49:46 GMT
Wrong!!! Everything the Catholic Church teaches can be backed up by Sacred Scripture. Protestants do not understand Scripture to realize that the Catholic doctrine is backed up by it. Keep telling yourself that. It's very highly arrogant of you to assume that only those in the Catholic church can understand scripture. You guys are just as bad as the Pharisees Did I say that only Catholics can understand Sacred Scripture? It was you who said that the Catholic Church contradicts Sacred Scripture. If Protestants (particularly the anti-Catholic ones) understood all of Scripture, they would know that nothing the Church does contradicts Scripture.
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Post by clusium on May 3, 2017 10:54:52 GMT
Wrong!!! Everything the Catholic Church teaches can be backed up by Sacred Scripture. Protestants do not understand Scripture to realize that the Catholic doctrine is backed up by it. This is demonstrably false. The concept of purgatory, for example, is nowhere to be found in Scripture. It is simply something which has been extrapolated from a parable - ie. fictional story - told by Jesus, so the scriptural support is tenuous at the very best. Another thing which the Catholic Church is in constant and flagrant violation of (all three major denominations, really, but the Catholic Church especially), is the commandment about graven images: You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.-Exodus 20:4-5 It's part of the Ten Commandments, but not if you're a Catholic. In Jewish tradition, depictions of God or anything holy have been considered grave blasphemy. Yet Catholics are happy to make all sorts of graven images of Jesus (and of Mary), and bow down to them as if these man-made creations possess any more of God's holiness than the kitchen sink. They are doing precisely what the Bible explicitly and unequivocally forbids in this regard. Yes, Purgatory is in the Holy Bible. In fact, it was the Protestants who edited the Old Testament, hence taking out of the Bible, where it is shown. In the New Testament, it is in St. Matthew chapter 12, verse 31, where Christ Says the ONLY SIN not to be Forgiven in this life or the next is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. We do not worship icons. We use them to remember God & His Saints. The ancient Israelites made images of cherubim & placed them on the Ark of the Covenant.
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Post by kls on May 3, 2017 11:19:07 GMT
The Church does not teach anything contrary to what the Holy Bible teaches. Yes they do and it's been pointed out time and time again. Most of the dogmas of the Catholic Church comes from teaching that's not in the Bible. What are some examples of that dogma?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 3, 2017 11:20:08 GMT
This is demonstrably false. The concept of purgatory, for example, is nowhere to be found in Scripture. It is simply something which has been extrapolated from a parable - ie. fictional story - told by Jesus, so the scriptural support is tenuous at the very best. Another thing which the Catholic Church is in constant and flagrant violation of (all three major denominations, really, but the Catholic Church especially), is the commandment about graven images: You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.-Exodus 20:4-5 It's part of the Ten Commandments, but not if you're a Catholic. In Jewish tradition, depictions of God or anything holy have been considered grave blasphemy. Yet Catholics are happy to make all sorts of graven images of Jesus (and of Mary), and bow down to them as if these man-made creations possess any more of God's holiness than the kitchen sink. They are doing precisely what the Bible explicitly and unequivocally forbids in this regard. Yes, Purgatory is in the Holy Bible. In fact, it was the Protestants who edited the Old Testament, hence taking out of the Bible, where it is shown. In the New Testament, it is in St. Matthew chapter 12, verse 31, where Christ Says the ONLY SIN not to be Forgiven in this life or the next is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. We do not worship icons. We use them to remember God & His Saints. The ancient Israelites made images of cherubim & placed them on the Ark of the Covenant. I am sorry, clusium. When I started the thread I did not foresee it turning into a fur-ball. I did it primarily to annoy the ungodly, as they hate the Russians lately. Now I am reminded of the old board when you and that obstinate Coach Dobbs went round and round on Maya's thread about the alleged deification of Mary. FWIW although I am not a Catholic I agree that Mary was special. I once thought that she was worshipped by Catholics as a goddess, but that was years ago and I have learned much more in the interim. Those who think that Catholics worship the icons are severely off-base.
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Post by Aj_June on May 3, 2017 11:25:20 GMT
Wrong!!! Everything the Catholic Church teaches can be backed up by Sacred Scripture. Protestants do not understand Scripture to realize that the Catholic doctrine is backed up by it. Keep telling yourself that. It's very highly arrogant of you to assume that only those in the Catholic church can understand scripture. You guys are just as bad as the Pharisees I wonder if you are a new poster or someone from old IMDB? There was this person called coachdobbs whose views were similar to yours.
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Post by cupcakes on May 3, 2017 11:47:07 GMT
tpfkar You'd think they would have called it Hades then. All you guys have your substitutions, whether them to minimize the depravity, or you to up it in service to your bloodlust. You could have been enjoying your life instead, and not thinking about the hell you're going to burn in. And you deserve it.
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Post by Karl Aksel on May 3, 2017 11:47:38 GMT
Yes, Purgatory is in the Holy Bible. In fact, it was the Protestants who edited the Old Testament, hence taking out of the Bible, where it is shown. Luther removed only those books which had disputed relevance in the first place, ie. those books which was added to the Old Testament in the Septaguint - but they were never Old Testament canon. Luther removed them for this reason, but maintained that they were nevertheless "good to read". Still, you won't find purgatory in those books. Case in point: the idea of purgatory was not there from the beginning, but evolved as those scriptures were interpreted and re-interpreted. It wasn't until the 13th century that purgatory was officially defined. What does that have to do with purgatory? This is merely one of numerous contradictions (this being a contradiction to the notion that a soul in hell cannot be saved). Other contradictions, such as when Jesus was born, what were his last words, how he answered Pilate etc. have not resulted in monumental concepts to explain them, so why should this? If purgatory was a thing, why is it not mentioned directly? Why can it only be inferred by taking a crowbar to the Bible? You bow down to them and pray to them. When you use those man-made images to remember what they represent, you invariably picture Jesus to look like he does in that particular effigy - and ditto for Mary. And the saints. Hence, there is no more holiness in those than in the kitchen sink - and they should remind you of Jesus, Mary, the saints or what have you to any greater extent than the kitchen sink. And surely you are not saying that you need those effigies to remember? The Jews never did, so why do you? They did not represent named characters, and nobody bowed down to them or prayed to them - or used them to "remember" God in any way. They would never have dared to try to make a likeness of God.
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Post by dawglf on May 3, 2017 12:18:58 GMT
This is demonstrably false. The concept of purgatory, for example, is nowhere to be found in Scripture. It is simply something which has been extrapolated from a parable - ie. fictional story - told by Jesus, so the scriptural support is tenuous at the very best. Another thing which the Catholic Church is in constant and flagrant violation of (all three major denominations, really, but the Catholic Church especially), is the commandment about graven images: You shall not make for yourself an image in the form of anything in heaven above or on the earth beneath or in the waters below. You shall not bow down to them or worship them.-Exodus 20:4-5 It's part of the Ten Commandments, but not if you're a Catholic. In Jewish tradition, depictions of God or anything holy have been considered grave blasphemy. Yet Catholics are happy to make all sorts of graven images of Jesus (and of Mary), and bow down to them as if these man-made creations possess any more of God's holiness than the kitchen sink. They are doing precisely what the Bible explicitly and unequivocally forbids in this regard. Yes, Purgatory is in the Holy Bible. In fact, it was the Protestants who edited the Old Testament, hence taking out of the Bible, where it is shown. In the New Testament, it is in St. Matthew chapter 12, verse 31, where Christ Says the ONLY SIN not to be Forgiven in this life or the next is Blasphemy against the Holy Spirit. We do not worship icons. We use them to remember God & His Saints. The ancient Israelites made images of cherubim & placed them on the Ark of the Covenant. "Therefore I say to you, any sin and blasphemy shall be forgiven people, but blasphemy against the Spirit shall not be forgiven. Mt 12:31 NASB
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