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Post by Sulla on May 1, 2017 3:31:58 GMT
We should add this line to the end. "And I further swear to that, though I be murderous, verminous, lying, Missouri scum!"
But seriously, I'm not taking an unconditional loyalty oath to anything. Well, except maybe bacon. We're gonna need a Gatling gun. You have one, don't you?
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on May 1, 2017 3:37:16 GMT
Hey, Sulla, you do remember I am from Missouri; I live amongst the scum!
I was born in Missouri, raised in Kansas, moved back to Missouri because Kansas is more "red" than "blue". but still get outvoted by the bloody Republicans...
I have vowed that if I ever have to swear to tell the truth, the whole truth, that I will only do it with my hand on a copy of the Constitution of the United States of America. I carry it with me. I purchased a hardbound copy from Barnes and Noble on the clearance rack for a dollar. What does that say about the state of the union?
And the bacon thing; I am vegetarian, but I do really miss the taste of bacon. The vegan version is as close as I can get, sadly. But, hey, there's more for you! Show me.
The oath quote is from The Outlaw Josey Wales.
Oh, I forgot about your penchant for movie quotes! And that is one I haven't seen (yeah, I know, I was educationally deprived!)
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Post by theoncomingstorm on May 1, 2017 3:46:23 GMT
We're gonna need a Gatling gun. You have one, don't you? Doesn't everybody?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2017 5:48:12 GMT
The Gatling Gun is more famous, but that Nordenfelt Gun was pretty cool too.
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Post by Arlon10 on May 1, 2017 7:35:15 GMT
For the record, "Under God" wasn't actually added until 1954 to stick it to those Godless commies. You can take the words out, but that won't change the fact that it is under God.
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Post by puvo on May 1, 2017 8:06:12 GMT
For the record, "Under God" wasn't actually added until 1954 to stick it to those Godless commies. You can take the words out, but that won't change the fact that it is under God. Strange use of the word fact there arlon.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 1, 2017 8:24:42 GMT
You can take the words out, but that won't change the fact that it is under God. Strange use of the word fact there arlon. And yet you cannot disprove it. More things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your crumby philosophy.
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Post by puvo on May 1, 2017 9:48:31 GMT
Strange use of the word fact there arlon. And yet you cannot disprove it. More things in heaven and earth than are dreamt of in your crumby philosophy. Sure. But I use the word "fact" in the sense of "known" to be, or especially "proven" to be, true. Your god hasn't be proven to be true, beyond reasonable doubt. But you also cant disprove the idea that the universe was farted into existence by an invisible unicorn, and your country is under that unicorn. See how silly your point is?
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Post by Arlon10 on May 1, 2017 11:16:01 GMT
You can take the words out, but that won't change the fact that it is under God. Strange use of the word fact there arlon. I only meant that the words in the pledge of allegiance don't bring any god into existence and don't place the nation under that god. They are not intended to do either of those. Leaving them out will have no effect. They are merely the observation of the limitations of power, that the United States is not the supreme one in the universe. Atheists who have a problem with that prove themselves to be mentally retarded, but of course many of us knew that already.
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Post by cupcakes on May 1, 2017 12:01:36 GMT
tpfkar You maniacs stay positively feverish with the unintentional irony, don't you. Compensating nonsensical bravado is the height of your powers. People of God did not have to kill them either because God killed them for us. The point remains that homosexuals are dumb, senseless animals that might need to be killed.
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Post by islandmur on May 1, 2017 12:02:36 GMT
I vote no.
To me it seems really like being vindictive to want to remove it at this stage.The US was founded by believers and I really find this crusade to eradicate every mention of religion from view to be somewhat petty.
I also think that just like it was added when there were more religious people, that it will be taken out without controversy when religion is on the decline, so no need really to hasten its fate.
America has a religious history, is to date a religious country...
Now this is not to say that religious bigotry should be allowed like not selling pills to wowmen because of religious beliefs.. no no no you don't want to sell the pill work somewhere the pill isn't for sale.
Anyways that's my two cents.
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Post by cupcakes on May 1, 2017 12:23:37 GMT
tpfkar It wouldn't matter so much except it gives some people the wrong idea about the role of religion in government. In an ideal world, there shouldn't be any governmental promotion of any strain of religion whatsoever. In the current world, it would be political suicide to try to get it removed, and would likely bring even more demagogues to office. freedom from
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Post by Deleted on May 1, 2017 12:31:10 GMT
Well God(Creator) exists so of course it shouldn't.
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Post by progressiveelement on May 1, 2017 12:48:12 GMT
Yes. If God created a country, it would be Britain. ð
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 1, 2017 13:45:59 GMT
For the record, "Under God" wasn't actually added until 1954 to stick it to those Godless commies. You can take the words out, but that won't change the fact that it is under God. Rather meaningless platitude from the perspective of nonbelievers. You can change it to "Under Xenu" and it would have about the same impact to us. Not to mention the pledge in general is kinda Orewellian (just replace the flag with Big Brother, and really what's the difference?)
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Post by lowtacks86 on May 1, 2017 13:55:24 GMT
I vote no. To me it seems really like being vindictive to want to remove it at this stage.The US was founded by believers and I really find this crusade to eradicate every mention of religion from view to be somewhat petty. I also think that just like it was added when there were more religious people, that it will be taken out without controversy when religion is on the decline, so no need really to hasten its fate. America has a religious history, is to date a religious country... Now this is not to say that religious bigotry should be allowed like not selling pills to wowmen because of religious beliefs.. no no no you don't want to sell the pill work somewhere the pill isn't for sale. Anyways that's my two cents. "The US was founded by believers"
Not sure why that matters, the founding fathers also were slave owners, didn't allow women to vote, and pushed the natives off their land, we don't preserve those ideals just because of the founding fathers, now do we?
"America has a religious history, is to date a religious country..."
Again we also have a history of slavery and racism, not really sure what point you're trying to make.
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Post by islandmur on May 1, 2017 14:42:40 GMT
I vote no. To me it seems really like being vindictive to want to remove it at this stage.The US was founded by believers and I really find this crusade to eradicate every mention of religion from view to be somewhat petty. I also think that just like it was added when there were more religious people, that it will be taken out without controversy when religion is on the decline, so no need really to hasten its fate. America has a religious history, is to date a religious country... Now this is not to say that religious bigotry should be allowed like not selling pills to wowmen because of religious beliefs.. no no no you don't want to sell the pill work somewhere the pill isn't for sale. Anyways that's my two cents. "The US was founded by believers"
Not sure why that matters, the founding fathers also were slave owners, didn't allow women to vote, and pushed the natives off their land, we don't preserve those ideals just because of the founding fathers, now do we?
"America has a religious history, is to date a religious country..."
Again we also have a history of slavery and racism, not really sure what point you're trying to make.
my point is that it's ok to have religious symbols that stay on... it doesn't mean anything than that. It's history and old culture. Yes you have a history of slavery and that is not being erased from the history books or art or anything.
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Post by CoolJGS⺠on May 1, 2017 14:51:54 GMT
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To me, it seemed like her point was addressed at the beginning. There is little reason beyond possible appearance of vindictiveness which may be especially true considering that the courts have already determined that it's way to generic to count as religious teaching. So on that point, island may be incorrect, but the overall point was pretty crystal clear.
With time, it's use will die out anyway as the country finally admits to itself that it is indeed totally godless and especially since no one is obligated to say the pledge at all much less a line from it.
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Post by Aj_June on May 1, 2017 14:53:31 GMT
For the record, "Under God" wasn't actually added until 1954 to stick it to those Godless commies. Can they make it optional? That way everyone will be happy. At the present it seems as if the people who don't believe in god thingy are forced to say that. I personally won't complain as I can say things without believing in them but some people may feel otherwise.
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Post by cupcakes on May 1, 2017 15:00:51 GMT
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