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Post by formersamhmd on May 14, 2017 15:46:38 GMT
Doesn't sound much different from how the FoX-Men are done. Except in the MCU they'd focus more on the X-Men instead of Wolverine and Xavier, and they wouldn't keep bringing up the Holocaust references and they'd move past that overused "Registration Act" nonsense. Essentially, you're saying you DON'T want the X-Men to act the way they traditionally always have acted in the comics. The DOFP and Age of Apocalypse comics have no such thing apart from Wolverines running levity. DOFP was a 2 part story Logan was in just to get killed, and in Age of Apocalypse he made jokes plenty of times....which fit given how silly Age of Apocalypse was.
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Post by charzhino on May 14, 2017 16:05:18 GMT
The DOFP and Age of Apocalypse comics have no such thing apart from Wolverines running levity. DOFP was a 2 part story Logan was in just to get killed, and in Age of Apocalypse he made jokes plenty of times....which fit given how silly Age of Apocalypse was. Point is, there doesn't feel to be a serious threat in any of the Avengers movies. They're a spectacle without stakes.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 14, 2017 16:12:35 GMT
DOFP was a 2 part story Logan was in just to get killed, and in Age of Apocalypse he made jokes plenty of times....which fit given how silly Age of Apocalypse was. Point is, there doesn't feel to be a serious threat in any of the Avengers movies. They're a spectacle without stakes. People only say that because Marvel Studios was nice enough to let us know about future movies in advance, so we know they aren't going to kill off 99% of the cast or end the world in certain films. Of course, instead of appreciating this we get people like the X-Fans who just use it as an excuse to complain.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2017 17:00:00 GMT
They laugh and joke around in the first Avengers and Age of Ultron. Compare those finale fight sequences with the ones in X2, DOFP and First Class and count the number of quips, one liners and moments of levity. The difference in night and day. Really? There are a lot of it in X2 and DoFP and First Class.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 14, 2017 18:33:48 GMT
In the MCU, the X-Men would actually be good at their jobs of advancing Human/Mutant Relations instead of the utter incompetents they are at FOX. Nope. In the MCU they would be clones of the Avengers doing constant quips, one ups, one liners and ultimately laughing whilst saving the day from a weak villain. Agreed. MCU would turn the X-Men movies into a comedy.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 14, 2017 18:44:31 GMT
Nope. In the MCU they would be clones of the Avengers doing constant quips, one ups, one liners and ultimately laughing whilst saving the day from a weak villain. What part of the Avengers were they laughing while fighting the villains? What part of the X-men movies were they not using quips and one-liners? What part of X-men isn't fun and adventurous? When did Fox change what X-men really is? Did they erase all of the X-men's history except for the serious, depressing stories? Hank McCoy didn't say in the middle of a fight "Mr. Xavier, what do I do now?"
Iceman and Pyro didn't stop in the middle of a fight to talk about what part of New York they're from.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 14, 2017 18:47:37 GMT
What part of the Avengers were they laughing while fighting the villains? What part of the X-men movies were they not using quips and one-liners? What part of X-men isn't fun and adventurous? When did Fox change what X-men really is? Did they erase all of the X-men's history except for the serious, depressing stories? Hank McCoy didn't say in the middle of a fight "Mr. Xavier, what do I do now?"
Iceman and Pyro didn't stop in the middle of a fight to talk about what part of New York they're from.
You mean stuff people say when both people are in a battle neither wanted to fight, and they're to make it clear "Look, I don't want to hurt you and I don't think you want to hurt me. We're still pals." You know, how real people act instead of a bunch of 1-note brooders.
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Post by agentblue on May 14, 2017 18:47:37 GMT
Nope. In the MCU they would be clones of the Avengers doing constant quips, one ups, one liners and ultimately laughing whilst saving the day from a weak villain. Agreed. MCU would turn the X-Men movies into a comedy. And??
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Post by DC-Fan on May 14, 2017 18:55:08 GMT
in AOU it's a defense mechanism people do called "Gallow's Humor". It happens in real wars. Yet, there weren't any soldiers joking around and making one-liners in Saving Private Ryan. First Class? Where Magneto once again refused to take any responsibility for his actions? AoU - where Iron Man and Hulk refused to take any responsibility for destroying a city in Africa and killing many people and instead fled from the city like fugitives and hid out at Hawkeye's house like common criminals. Civil War - where Captain America refused to take responsibility for all the innocent people killed by the Avengers DOFP, where Xavier chose to become an accessory to terrorism instead Civil War - where Captain America chose to aid a suspected terrorist, whom he knew was also a murderer The one with the silly fairytale ending? GotG1 - the one with the silly ending where Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets is defeated by a silly Dance-Off
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Post by DC-Fan on May 14, 2017 18:58:05 GMT
DOFP was a 2 part story Logan was in just to get killed, and in Age of Apocalypse he made jokes plenty of times....which fit given how silly Age of Apocalypse was. Point is, there doesn't feel to be a serious threat in any of the Avengers movies. They're a spectacle without stakes. Agreed. The Chitauri had no superpowers and were weak. All it took was 1 nuclear missile from the military to defeat hundreds of Chitauri. That's pretty weak and lame.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2017 19:03:03 GMT
What part of the Avengers were they laughing while fighting the villains? What part of the X-men movies were they not using quips and one-liners? What part of X-men isn't fun and adventurous? When did Fox change what X-men really is? Did they erase all of the X-men's history except for the serious, depressing stories? Hank McCoy didn't say in the middle of a fight "Mr. Xavier, what do I do now?"
Iceman and Pyro didn't stop in the middle of a fight to talk about what part of New York they're from.
I'm guessing you are talking about Peter asking Tony what to do at the airport. You see, Peter is a 15 year old kid. He was brought in to help out seasoned Avengers in a fight. He has never been in a fight with a lot of people on his side. Him asking a professional superhero what to do (his mentor) is something Peter would do. This even continues in Homecoming. This shows inexperience. You see in First Class they just put them in the fight with the Hellfire Club and they automatically knew all they had to do. There was no real learning for them to do. No character development. Beast is the same character in all the X-men movies. What does this have to do with anything? You see, the fight in Civil War was not a "to the death" battle between bitter enemies. Team Stark was only there to stop friends from making a wrong choice (to them). Steve asked Peter where he was from because he recognized the accent. He knew it was a New York accent. He saw himself when he talked to Peter. Also, it wasn't the middle of the fight. It was the end of their fight. Right when he told Peter where he was from he moved on. Do you even watch these movies?
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2017 19:06:39 GMT
Point is, there doesn't feel to be a serious threat in any of the Avengers movies. They're a spectacle without stakes. Agreed. The Chitauri had no superpowers and were weak. All it took was 1 nuclear missile from the military to defeat hundreds of Chitauri. That's pretty weak and lame. The Chitauri (at least the ones in the movie) were a hive mind. Like bees and ants. Stark destroyed whatever was controlling them. They were weak? Lay down on an ant mound and tell me how weak they are. I'll wait.
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Post by ThatGuy on May 14, 2017 19:17:14 GMT
in AOU it's a defense mechanism people do called "Gallow's Humor". It happens in real wars. Yet, there weren't any soldiers joking around and making one-liners in Saving Private Ryan. First Class? Where Magneto once again refused to take any responsibility for his actions? AoU - where Iron Man and Hulk refused to take any responsibility for destroying a city in Africa and killing many people and instead fled from the city like fugitives and hid out at Hawkeye's house like common criminals. Civil War - where Captain America refused to take responsibility for all the innocent people killed by the Avengers DOFP, where Xavier chose to become an accessory to terrorism instead Civil War - where Captain America chose to aid a suspected terrorist, whom he knew was also a murderer The one with the silly fairytale ending? GotG1 - the one with the silly ending where Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets is defeated by a silly Dance-Off Um... don't remember the part when the guy got shot in the helmet and they joked about him being lucky (even laughing) then he gets shot in the head anyway. Then you have the part where the Nazi surrenders and they joke about what he was saying after shooting him. Ed Burns joking all the way through. Tom Sizemore joking all the way through. Giovanni Ribisi joking all the way through. Adam Goldberg joking all the way through. What movie did you see? Stark took responsibility. He even paid for the damages he caused. They hid from Ultron on that farm because it was off the grid. Did he aid a suspected terrorist of did he try to stop them from killing him? I'm beginning to think you are either wormhole or that other one I don't care to remember the name of. He's the only one that only saw the "dance off" distraction as what defeated Ronan and not the infinity stone.
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Post by formersamhmd on May 14, 2017 20:24:37 GMT
He's AH_Fan, the spelling is too correct to be Wormhole.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 14, 2017 23:37:24 GMT
Deadpool was a comedy, X-Men Origins: Wolverine and X-Men: The Last Stand were unintentional laugh-a-thons to the point where you could call them comedies - Origins moreso( That boxing match with Blob...Like something out of one of those spoof movies).
There were, they were just not emphasized by the filmmakers and were mostly drowned out by the background action.
Nobody died in the African city in AOU, there was collateral damage though and Tony and Bruce were not passive about the whole matter as it brought very bad press to The Avengers.
Captain America didn't not take responsibility for the indirect casualties of The Avengers, he didn't agree with the accords which permitted them from acting without governmental authorization.
I guess you missed the parts in Civil War and The Winter Soldier where its said explicitly that Bucky Barnes was brainwashed, forced, manipulated and used a puppet for HYDRA.
Ronan wasn't defeated by a dance-off, in fact there wasn't even a dance-off as Quill was the only one issuing the challenge he just merely distracted Ronan so Rocket and Drax could nail him with their weapon.
A nuclear missile driven by Stark to a wormhole where their mothership was viewing the spectacle.
Yep, its AH_Fan, confirmed. If it were Wormhole he'd do anything but say "KIDDIE!!!" 24/7...
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Post by formersamhmd on May 15, 2017 0:33:23 GMT
And anyways, he keeps saying that the Avengers killed lots of people like they did it themselves. He's never been able to bring up one situation where the Avengers killed innocent people on their own, anyone who died was due to the villains attacking first and the Avengers responding.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on May 15, 2017 5:48:09 GMT
Exactly that. But DC-Fan just likes to pick and choose.
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Post by Deleted on May 15, 2017 6:48:19 GMT
in AOU it's a defense mechanism people do called "Gallow's Humor". It happens in real wars. Yet, there weren't any soldiers joking around and making one-liners in Saving Private Ryan. First Class? Where Magneto once again refused to take any responsibility for his actions? AoU - where Iron Man and Hulk refused to take any responsibility for destroying a city in Africa and killing many people and instead fled from the city like fugitives and hid out at Hawkeye's house like common criminals. Civil War - where Captain America refused to take responsibility for all the innocent people killed by the Avengers DOFP, where Xavier chose to become an accessory to terrorism instead Civil War - where Captain America chose to aid a suspected terrorist, whom he knew was also a murderer The one with the silly fairytale ending? GotG1 - the one with the silly ending where Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets is defeated by a silly Dance-Off 1. Nunce, what would you know about war movies? 2. And that's why we have the Sokovia Accords, dickhead. 3. That suspected terrorist was his friend, who was actually innocent. 4. Ronan had never seen any dancing before so it was like the wheel being invented for him. Thanks, DC-Fan, for making it obvious that you're too fucking stupid to understand MCU films.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 15, 2017 13:46:16 GMT
Nobody died in the African city in AOU Iron Man and Hulk caused a high-rise building to collapse. High-rise buildings aren't built in the middle of nowhwere. High-rise buildings are built in the downtown area. And in the middle of the day, there are always plenty of people around in the downtown area. So the sudden collapse of a building in the downtown area is going to result in the deaths of many people. there was collateral damage Which is why Captain America's line about "The safest hands are our own" is complete BS. Had the Avengers not caused any deaths or collateral damage, then it would be a different story. But the Avengers had indeed caused plenty of deaths and collateral damage and therefore the safest hands aren't their own and that's why the Sokovia Accords were needed. But Captain America didn't want the Sokoiva Accounds because he didn't want the Avengers held responsible for the deaths and collateral damage that they caused and didn't want to have to answer to the people for it. Captain America didn't not take responsibility for the indirect casualties of The Avengers, he didn't agree with the accords which permitted them from acting without governmental authorization. Captain America didn't agree with the Sokovia Accords simply because he didn't want the Avengers held responsible for the deaths and collateral damage that they caused and didn't want to have to answer to the people for it. Captain America didn't agree with the Sokovia Accords because he's a tyrant who wanted the Avengers rather than the elected representatives of the people to unilaterally decide what's best for the people, the exact same way that Hitler and Stalin wanted to unilaterally decide what's best for the people. I guess you missed the parts in Civil War and The Winter Soldier where its said explicitly that Bucky Barnes was brainwashed, forced, manipulated and used a puppet for HYDRA. You missed the part in Civil War where it explicitly showed Bucky Barnes committing the murders of 2 people (Howard and Maria Stark). As for the "brainwashed, forced, manipulated and used as a puppet" defense, 1st that's a question for a jury of the people to decide and not for Captain America to unilaterally decide and 2nd that's an excuse that absolve Bucky Barnes of his legal responsibility for the illegal actions that he committed (go read about Patty Hearst). Ronan wasn't defeated by a dance-off, in fact there wasn't even a dance-off as Quill was the only one issuing the challenge he just merely distracted Ronan so Rocket and Drax could nail him with their weapon. And you've just confirmed what I said. Ronan the Big Bad Destroyer of Planets was defeated by something as silly as a Dance-Off. So in Infinity War, Thanos will probably be defeated by a Karaoke challenge. A nuclear missile driven by Stark to a wormhole where their mothership was viewing the spectacle. That's what I said. All it took was 1 nuclear missile launched by the military to defeat hundreds of Chitauri. My username is DC-Fan.
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Post by DC-Fan on May 15, 2017 13:54:41 GMT
And anyways, he keeps saying that the Avengers killed lots of people like they did it themselves. He's never been able to bring up one situation where the Avengers killed innocent people on their own, anyone who died was due to the villains attacking first and the Avengers responding. The Incredible Hulk - The Hulk kills several US soldiers, brave young men ad women who were just doing their duty trying to protect civilians from a dangerous monster.
Age of Ultron - Iron Man and Hulk destroy a city in Africa and kill many civilians.
Civil War - Scarlett Witch causes a bomb to blow out the side of a building, killing many people who weren't even targeted by the villains.
Moreover, the deaths of the people in the building that Scarlett Witch blew up proves that Captain America's line about "The safest hands are our own" is complete BS. Had the Avengers not caused any deaths or collateral damage, then it would be a different story. But the Avengers had indeed caused plenty fo deaths and collateral damage and therefore the safest hands aren't their own and that's why the Sokovia Accords were needed.
But Captain America didn't want the Sokoiva Accounds because he didn't want the Avengers held responsible for the deaths and collateral damage that they caused and didn't want to have to answer to the people for it. Captain America didn't agree with the Sokovia Accords because he's a tyrant who wanted the Avengers rather than the elected representatives of the people to unilaterally decide what's best for the people, the exact same way that Hitler and Stalin wanted to unilaterally decide what's best for the people.
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