DarkManX
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Post by DarkManX on Sept 26, 2020 22:42:58 GMT
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Post by Vits on Sept 27, 2020 16:37:25 GMT
My issue is how transparent the choice is. I don't give a crap about these remakes, but the obviousness of the casting is both hilarious and irritating to me. How are they supposed to recast characters then? Like seriously, they actually think Peter Pan will make more money if they make Tinkerbell a different race? Why do you think that? How do you know they didn't choose her based on her talent?
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 27, 2020 16:50:47 GMT
My issue is how transparent the choice is. I don't give a crap about these remakes, but the obviousness of the casting is both hilarious and irritating to me. How are they supposed to recast characters then? Like seriously, they actually think Peter Pan will make more money if they make Tinkerbell a different race? Why do you think that? How do you know they didn't choose her based on her talent? You are going to have to make your questions more clear. I am not following. I'm also not really in the mood today, but I'll try to play nice. I can answer the second point right off the bat - It was a direct response to another reply implying that they cast the way they did for financial reasons. That they are PANDERING for $$$.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 27, 2020 16:56:49 GMT
Its always nice when they give white hand me down roles to black actors, instead of giving them original characters.
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Post by Vits on Sept 27, 2020 19:19:27 GMT
You are going to have to make your questions more clear. I am not following. You said that rewriting a character's race (and hiring an actor of said race) bothers you because it was done in a very obvious way, implying that you would accept it if wasn't done in a very obvious way. I'm not sure how that can happen. It was a direct response to another reply implying that they cast the way they did for financial reasons. That they are PANDERING for $$$. So you didn't think that was the case until the other user said it? Its always nice when they give white hand me down roles to black actors, instead of giving them original characters. If they had done that, people would've complained about inserting a black character into a story where there was none before. You can't win!
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 27, 2020 19:29:33 GMT
Its always nice when they give white hand me down roles to black actors, instead of giving them original characters. If they had done that, people would've complained about inserting a black character into a story where there was none before. You can't win! Yeah that is probably true, It should be said that i don`t really mind a black tinkerbell its just that i would rather see a new original black character. I am completely against race change on historical character and some fictional characters but tinkerbell is not a fictional character i mind changing the race on, i just think it would have been better if they had created a new original black character.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 27, 2020 19:53:14 GMT
You are going to have to make your questions more clear. I am not following. You said that rewriting a character's race (and hiring an actor of said race) bothers you because it was done in a very obvious way, implying that you would accept it if wasn't done in a very obvious way. I'm not sure how that can happen. It was a direct response to another reply implying that they cast the way they did for financial reasons. That they are PANDERING for $$$. So you didn't think that was the case until the other user said it? Its always nice when they give white hand me down roles to black actors, instead of giving them original characters. If they had done that, people would've complained about inserting a black character into a story where there was none before. You can't win! Re-writing The Equalizer as a black character isn't annoying because it wasn't a thing when that movie was made and that movie was also directed by a black man. This was before this shit was everywhere. I can't turn my fucking head without hearing about it. It was inspired casting. That isn't the case with these new movies. Now it is just forced diversity. Is anyone okay with making Blade white? Because I'm not. How about we re-write Storm as a white women from Russia while we're at it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 27, 2020 20:23:08 GMT
If they had done that, people would've complained about inserting a black character into a story where there was none before. You can't win! Yeah that is probably true, It should be said that i don`t really mind a black tinkerbell its just that i would rather see a new original black character. I am completely against race change on historical character and some fictional characters but tinkerbell is not a fictional character i mind changing the race on, i just think it would have been better if they had created a new original black character. It kind of sounds like you do mind.
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Sept 27, 2020 20:33:11 GMT
Yeah that is probably true, It should be said that i don`t really mind a black tinkerbell its just that i would rather see a new original black character. I am completely against race change on historical character and some fictional characters but tinkerbell is not a fictional character i mind changing the race on, i just think it would have been better if they had created a new original black character. It kind of sounds like you do mind. Its always nice when strangers on the internet tells me what i mind or don`t mind. Pretty sure i know that better than you.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 27, 2020 20:33:58 GMT
You said that rewriting a character's race (and hiring an actor of said race) bothers you because it was done in a very obvious way, implying that you would accept it if wasn't done in a very obvious way. I'm not sure how that can happen.So you didn't think that was the case until the other user said it?If they had done that, people would've complained about inserting a black character into a story where there was none before. You can't win! Re-writing The Equalizer as a black character isn't annoying because it wasn't a thing when that movie was made and that movie was also directed by a black man. This was before this shit was everywhere. I can't turn my fucking head without hearing about it. It was inspired casting. That isn't the case with these new movies. Now it is just forced diversity. Is anyone okay with making Blade white? Because I'm not. How about we re-write Storm as a white women from Russia while we're at it. Casting non-white actors to play white characters has been a thing for a while now. Red from The Shawshank Redemption is a white ginger in the novella, for example.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 27, 2020 20:35:24 GMT
It kind of sounds like you do mind. Its always nice when strangers on the internet tells me what i mind or don`t mind. Pretty sure i know that better than you. All I’m saying is that even though you claim not to mind a black Tinkerbell, you’re still saying that you wish they wouldn’t have done it. That sounds pretty contradictory to me.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 27, 2020 20:49:12 GMT
Re-writing The Equalizer as a black character isn't annoying because it wasn't a thing when that movie was made and that movie was also directed by a black man. This was before this shit was everywhere. I can't turn my fucking head without hearing about it. It was inspired casting. That isn't the case with these new movies. Now it is just forced diversity. Is anyone okay with making Blade white? Because I'm not. How about we re-write Storm as a white women from Russia while we're at it. Casting non-white actors to play white characters has been a thing for a while now. Red from The Shawshank Redemption is a white ginger in the novella, for example. I agree, but not all bunched together and it didn't feel like an agenda at the time. It seems to have become much more prominent lately and with far more iconic characters. Tinkerbell, Ariel, Commissioner Gordon, Mary Jane, Aquaman etc.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 27, 2020 20:52:09 GMT
Casting non-white actors to play white characters has been a thing for a while now. Red from The Shawshank Redemption is a white ginger in the novella, for example. I agree, but not all bunched together and it didn't feel like an agenda at the time. It seems to have become much more prominent lately and with far more iconic characters. Tinkerbell, Ariel, Commissioner Gordon, Mary Jane etc. Technically, Mary Jane hasn’t been made black. The character Zendaya plays in the MCU is named ‘Michelle Jones’, which is a name that doesn’t exist in the comics. It’s kind of like how Joseph Gordon Levitt plays a character named ‘Robin’ in TDKR, without actually being Robin.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 27, 2020 21:04:59 GMT
I agree, but not all bunched together and it didn't feel like an agenda at the time. It seems to have become much more prominent lately and with far more iconic characters. Tinkerbell, Ariel, Commissioner Gordon, Mary Jane etc. Technically, Mary Jane hasn’t been made black. The character Zendaya plays in the MCU is named ‘Michelle Jones’, which is a name that doesn’t exist in the comics. It’s kind of like how Joseph Gordon Levitt plays a character named ‘Robin’ in TDKR, without actually being Robin. She is clearly the Mary Jane character with a different full name, but fair enough. That one is being sneaky. It is my problem, nobody else's. I'll give you that. That doesn't mean I can't bitch about it.
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Post by thisguy4000 on Sept 27, 2020 21:12:45 GMT
Technically, Mary Jane hasn’t been made black. The character Zendaya plays in the MCU is named ‘Michelle Jones’, which is a name that doesn’t exist in the comics. It’s kind of like how Joseph Gordon Levitt plays a character named ‘Robin’ in TDKR, without actually being Robin. She is clearly the Mary Jane character with a different full name, but fair enough. That one is being sneaky. It is my problem, nobody else's. I'll give you that. That doesn't mean I can't bitch about it. I never made any judgements on you having a problem with it. You’re free to do so. I’m not going to judge your intentions. I just thought I’d provide something of a consolation for you. If it’s any further consolation, Mary Jane is still white in Into the Spider-Verse, although she’s voiced by a black actress there.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 27, 2020 21:23:25 GMT
She is clearly the Mary Jane character with a different full name, but fair enough. That one is being sneaky. It is my problem, nobody else's. I'll give you that. That doesn't mean I can't bitch about it. I never made any judgements on you having a problem with it. You’re free to do so. I’m not going to judge your intentions. I just thought I’d provide something of a consolation for you. If it’s any further consolation, Mary Jane is still white in Into the Spider-Verse, although she’s voiced by a black actress there. Yeah, and Spider-Man is black though not Peter Parker. I wonder why this movie was made at the time it was made. You know, with everthing else lie Brie Larson running her mouth about movies not being made for certain people. I don't always have an issue with it if it is a very talented actor. This goes the other way around too. I would still prefer the character match the original source in most cases though. It just seems like a huge thing now with the equality stuff, which is a good thing, but not at the expense of changing characters. That is just forcing it imo, when they could be creating memorable original characters for minorities or making a Steel adaptation that doesn't suck ass. Not just minorities, but the women stuff too. The gender swapping remakes is another issue I have and having a movie gender swapped and about minorities at the same time ie. What Men Want.
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Post by Vits on Sept 28, 2020 9:04:57 GMT
Yeah, and Spider-Man is black though not Peter Parker. I wonder why this movie was made at the time it was made. You know, with everthing else lie Brie Larson running her mouth about movies not being made for certain people. Miles Morales was created in 2011. Brie said those things when INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE was already in production. I don't always have an issue with it if it is a very talented actor. This goes the other way around too. I would still prefer the character match the original source in most cases though. It just seems like a huge thing now with the equality stuff, which is a good thing, but not at the expense of changing characters. That is just forcing it imo, when they could be creating memorable original characters for minorities or making a Steel adaptation that doesn't suck ass. Not just minorities, but the women stuff too. The gender swapping remakes is another issue I have and having a movie gender swapped and about minorities at the same time ie. What Men Want. This "trend" started as a way to compensate the lack of job opportunities for women and minorities. When their characters are original, studios think the movie won't make money. If you want the trend to not be as predominant as it was back, make sure you support diversity as much as possible. You shouldn't buy a ticket for a movie with a story that doesn't interest you, but if the only thing that doesn't interest you is that the main characters don't look like you, then change that. And use whatever platform you have to tell studios to change their hiring processes. And for the record, changing a character's race, gender or sexuality doesn't automatically ruin them. If you think it contradicts something important in the source material, by all means say it.
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Post by Marv on Sept 28, 2020 9:57:58 GMT
As long as she has a big dumper. That was always tinker bells defining feature.
Seriously tho this doesn’t bother me.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 28, 2020 15:02:20 GMT
Yeah, and Spider-Man is black though not Peter Parker. I wonder why this movie was made at the time it was made. You know, with everthing else lie Brie Larson running her mouth about movies not being made for certain people. Miles Morales was created in 2011. Brie said those things when INTO THE SPIDER-VERSE was already in production. I don't always have an issue with it if it is a very talented actor. This goes the other way around too. I would still prefer the character match the original source in most cases though. It just seems like a huge thing now with the equality stuff, which is a good thing, but not at the expense of changing characters. That is just forcing it imo, when they could be creating memorable original characters for minorities or making a Steel adaptation that doesn't suck ass. Not just minorities, but the women stuff too. The gender swapping remakes is another issue I have and having a movie gender swapped and about minorities at the same time ie. What Men Want. This "trend" started as a way to compensate the lack of job opportunities for women and minorities. When their characters are original, studios think the movie won't make money. If you want the trend to not be as predominant as it was back, make sure you support diversity as much as possible. You shouldn't buy a ticket for a movie with a story that doesn't interest you, but if the only thing that doesn't interest you is that the main characters don't look like you, then change that. And use whatever platform you have to tell studios to change their hiring processes. And for the record, changing a character's race, gender or sexuality doesn't automatically ruin them. If you think it contradicts something important in the source material, by all means say it. The Brie Larson thing and the Spider-Man thing were 2 separate things. I didn't mean that those 2 were directly linked. The Brie Larson thing had to do with A Wrinkle in Time. I know why the trend started and I agree and disagree with aspects of it. That is just the way it is, like it or not. The look of a character is important for ME. Even hair color being different or characters I am very familiar with bugs the crap out of me. Again, that is my problem. It is still going to annoy me no matter what anyone says though. The actors don;t have to always be dead on, but going from white to black is a big difference. If they cast someone like Benicio Del Toro as a typically white character that isn't going to bother me as much and he is also a terrific actor. Just like how Ben Kingsley and John Turturro can pass as a handful of different races. The Tinkerbell thing just gets more of an eye roll from be than anything, because I don't care about a Peter Pan remake.
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Post by Vits on Sept 28, 2020 15:24:59 GMT
The look of a character is important for ME. Even hair color being different or characters I am very familiar with bugs the crap out of me. Again, that is my problem. It is still going to annoy me no matter what anyone says though. It's not just your problem because a lot of people think like you, which causes a negative effect of the film industry. As I said before, physical changes (hair color too) usually don't ruin a character. You say you're very familiar with some of them, but that's not the same as being attached to them. There are fans who think other aspects (like their personalities) are their true essence, hence why they aren't bothered by casting news like this. If they cast someone like Benicio Del Toro as a typically white character that isn't going to bother me as much and he is also a terrific actor. Well, his ethnicity is a mixture that seems to lean more towards white.
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