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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 15:58:45 GMT
For the 3rd time: Taking a non-white actor's job opportunity means it'll be hard for them to find another job, Um yeah and white actors don't have it hard? lol You must believe that skit Eddie Murphy did about pretending to be white and money getting handed out at banks to whites is true.
God you are a lost cause intellectually speaking.
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 17:01:52 GMT
Um yeah and white actors don't have it hard? No, because the percentage of white characters in film and TV every year is huge.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 18:50:19 GMT
No, because the percentage of white characters in film and TV every year is huge. So you are saying these blackwashing cases are just insignificant feel-good tokenism for nonwhites.
And yet, England is a native white country, remains about 80% white we assume but:
Diversity Org Admits Gays, Minorities Hugely Overrepresented in UK Television
A major survey of the British television industry has found that, contrary to popular belief among “woke” commentators, gay people and ethnic minorities are massively overrepresented.
The Creative Diversity Network (CDN) published its Diamond: The Third Cut report after surveying “over 30,000 diversity forms relating to over 600,000 TV production contributions”.
The CDN found that “BAME [Black and Minority Ethnic] on-screen representation” is a remarkable 23 per cent — far above the BAME share of the British general population, estimated at 14 per cent."
In other words, lots of whites in their country lose potential jobs in what should be their cultural industries.
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 19:31:54 GMT
So you are saying these blackwashing cases are just insignificant feel-good tokenism for nonwhites. I'm not. I don't know what gave you that impression. contrary to popular belief among “woke” commentators Forgive me if I don't trust an article that starts with a sentence like this.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 19:38:45 GMT
Forgive me if I don't trust an article that starts with a sentence like this. Doesn't matter whether you do or don't-ultimately though, giving a nonwhite character the role of a white character is just a pathetic attempt at cultural erasure--it reveals how racist Disney's owners are-they can't even give her her own unique role. She's not worthy of that despite their claim to be for racial harmony.
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 20:32:23 GMT
giving a nonwhite character the role of a white character is just a pathetic attempt at cultural erasure She's not worthy of that despite their claim to be for racial harmony. I'm sure it must be comfortable to have a burning cross in your backyard during the winter... or do you also light it up during the summer? it reveals how racist Disney's owners are-they can't even give her her own unique role. You mean you wanted them to create a new black character for this story? Wouldn't people like you have complained about inserting her in it anyway?
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 20:34:25 GMT
You mean you wanted them to create a new black character for this story? Wouldn't people like you have complained about inserting her in it anyway? No, creating new content starring them instead of forcing them to take the hand me downs from whites--but I guess that makes them feel proud. Much easier to use white properties for attention than being truly committed to diversity philosophy.
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 21:47:02 GMT
creating new content starring them No, I meant writing a black character for a PETER PAN not based on any preexisting character.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 21:53:56 GMT
No, I meant writing a black character for a PETER PAN not based on any preexisting character. Well they could, and it would show more creative initiative than merely changing races of a character for some insincere political posturing and flash in the pan PR stunt.
As long as it isn't along the lines of a Rose Tico.
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 22:06:32 GMT
As long as it isn't along the lines of a Rose Tico. Yes, by all means, keep shooting yourself in the foot. It makes it easier for me, since I don't have to think of more insults.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 22:09:16 GMT
Yes, by all means, keep shooting yourself in the foot. It makes it easier for me, since I don't have to think of more insults. You mean Rose Tico is wildly popular? lol She's the perfect example of why diversity casting ultimately fails-the desire to have a quota means a lowering of standards.
Nancy Kwan she isn't.
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Post by Vits on Sept 30, 2020 7:58:26 GMT
You mean Rose Tico is wildly popular? lol She's the perfect example of why diversity casting ultimately fails-the desire to have a quota means a lowering of standards. Nancy Kwan she isn't.
No, she's not popular, but that has to do with the character's personality. The fact that you made the issue about her race says a lot about you.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 30, 2020 8:56:08 GMT
No, she's not popular, but that has to do with the character's personality. The fact that you made the issue about her race says a lot about you. The fact you get upset about it says a lot about you too. It's not a race issue-it's a quality issue.
Rose Tico happened because the modern view is "celebrate mediocrity." She's a beta performer. Rian Johnson is a beta director. As long as they celebrate diversity Disney doesn't care about quality. This sort of thing has been building for years. If they had Kelly Hu in the role I bet the complaints would have been far less.
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Post by Vits on Sept 30, 2020 9:04:12 GMT
It's not a race issue-it's a quality issue. And yet you brought it to this conversation about race... Hmmm...
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 30, 2020 9:28:43 GMT
It's not a race issue-it's a quality issue. And yet you brought it to this conversation about race... Hmmm... Because diversity quotas make people blind to quality-Disney's owners care nothing at all about quality or art. They see it as a propaganda vehicle. They go "we need to cast Tinkerbell--she must be black." And that narrow insincere requirement blinds them to quality. They just do not care. Walt Disney cared a lot about what he was making, Disney's owners on Wall Street or wherever they come from, they don't. They didn't buy Disney because they want to celebrate culture, they bought it to use for propaganda delivery.
The reason they end up with no talent hacks is because no one who is serious about art would want to work under such stifling conditions for creativity. It's like something out of the USSR.
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Post by Vits on Sept 30, 2020 11:22:12 GMT
Because diversity quotas make people blind to quality-Disney's owners care nothing at all about quality or art. They see it as a propaganda vehicle. They go "we need to cast Tinkerbell--she must be black." You do know that talking about the movie's quality and implying that the performance lacks talent is ridiculous since it's not even out yet, right?
Walt Disney cared a lot about what he was making Riiiiiiight... There weren't any Disney movies with racist elements. Not even when Walt was alive.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 11:37:23 GMT
Meh, Tinkerbell is a fictional character, who cares? They could make Peter Pan black for all I care, we're talking about a fairy tale. Not to mention, how many Peter Pan movies have there been?
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 11:41:39 GMT
And yet you brought it to this conversation about race... Hmmm... Because diversity quotas make people blind to quality-Disney's owners care nothing at all about quality or art. They see it as a propaganda vehicle. They go "we need to cast Tinkerbell--she must be black." And that narrow insincere requirement blinds them to quality. They just do not care. Walt Disney cared a lot about what he was making, Disney's owners on Wall Street or wherever they come from, they don't. They didn't buy Disney because they want to celebrate culture, they bought it to use for propaganda delivery.
The reason they end up with no talent hacks is because no one who is serious about art would want to work under such stifling conditions for creativity. It's like something out of the USSR.
Tinkerbell is one of the most boring characters in Disney. She doesn't even talk, how much talent do you need? If they take liberties and give her a script then they aren't staying true to the original Disney film anyway. I think it's impossible to judge casting until we see the film.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 30, 2020 15:05:52 GMT
You do know that talking about the movie's quality and implying that the performance lacks talent is ridiculous since it's not even out yet, right?
Riiiiiiight... There weren't any Disney movies with racist elements. Not even when Walt was alive. Most of Walt Disney's audience didn't see any racism. I know that drives you CWAZY but you'll have to live with it. In fact, if it was a problem, why did Disney's new owners keep his name? LOL
As for the quality of the new film--based on Disney's track record and how all their remakes and sequels have been received, we know it won't be received very well.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 30, 2020 15:13:55 GMT
Tinkerbell is one of the most boring characters in Disney. She doesn't even talk, how much talent do you need? How much talent did a silent movie star need? Just because it is silent doesn't mean there isn't a performance to it. How well it is done depends on the talent of the filmmakers.
The point is they didn't change the race because of any merit considerations, only political ones. They even lie to cover up their political decisions like when they erased Tibet from Dr Strange because they wanted a Clinton-like figure (just before the election) and to kiss China's ass.
I don't think Disney's management is capable of learning or cluing in to the fact that they alienate audiences. The movies that were poorly received (ie.e Star Wars) they blamed the reception on audiences! Shameful company.
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