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Post by Vits on Sept 30, 2020 16:39:41 GMT
Most of Walt Disney's audience didn't see any racism. Then how did it become common knowledge in the first place? if it was a problem, why did Disney's new owners keep his name? You support cancel culture, then? Also, there are Disney properties that had a disclaimer added years later explaining the historical context in order to not offend viewers, instead of vanishing it from existance. That's how it should be. based on Disney's track record and how all their remakes and sequels have been received, we know it won't be received very well. Not all them have been badly-received though. The point is they didn't change the race because of any merit considerations, only political ones. So if the script had indicated that this version of Tinkerbell is also white, but the makers hired Yara because her audition was the best, you wouldn't have complained about the change? they erased Tibet from Dr Strange because they wanted a Clinton-like figure (just before the election) Hillary is a tall and skinny bald woman who knows martial arts? Ummm, OK.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 30, 2020 18:42:02 GMT
a)Then how did it become common knowledge in the first place? b)You support cancel culture, then? Also, there are Disney properties that had a disclaimer added years later explaining the historical context in order to not offend viewers, instead of vanishing it from existance. That's how it should be. c)So if the script had indicated that this version of Tinkerbell is also white, but the makers hired Yara because her audition was the best, you wouldn't have complained about the change? d)Hillary is a tall and skinny bald woman who knows martial arts? Ummm, OK. a) because communist ideology came to the forefront in the 90s-and the new owners of Disney made it an issue. Song of the South was re-released in the mid 80s in the US--no one cared. Ditto with Dumbo.
b)Those disclaimers were added under the new ownership because they made an issue out of it.
c)why would she audition if she didn't fit the description of the script character? But in theory, having someone nonwhite CAN work--it's not that it is impossible to select someone who is interesting enough to make one not care,but I think, knowing Disney on these things, it will not be a merit-based decision. Hiring her has nothing to do with a "best of" anything.
d)They'd come as close as they can to make a propaganda message. FOX supposedly hated Democrats yet showed Clinton as the president in 2008 in the Simpsons movie and they didn't mock her either.
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Post by Vits on Sept 30, 2020 19:18:21 GMT
a) because communist ideology came to the forefront in the 90s-and the new owners of Disney made it an issue. Song of the South was re-released in the mid 80s in the US--no one cared. Ditto with Dumbo.
b)Those disclaimers were added under the new ownership because they made an issue out of it. c)why would she audition if she didn't fit the description of the script character? But in theory, having someone nonwhite CAN work--it's not that it is impossible to select someone who is interesting enough to make one not care,but I think, knowing Disney on these things, it will not be a merit-based decision. Hiring her has nothing to do with a "best of" anything. d)They'd come as close as they can to make a propaganda message. FOX supposedly hated Democrats yet showed Clinton as the president in 2008 in the Simpsons movie and they didn't mock her either. I assumed you were looking up information, but now I'm starting to believe you actually remember these things, even down to the specific year. That's sad on a whole other level. So the bottom line is that there was absolutely no way you would've approved of casting anyone as Tinkerbell who wasn't a white blonde, right?
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 30, 2020 19:36:03 GMT
a)I assumed you were looking up information, but now I'm starting to believe you actually remember these things, even down to the specific year. That's sad on a whole other level. b)So the bottom line is that there was absolutely no way you would've approved of casting anyone as Tinkerbell who wasn't a white blonde, right? a) lol thanks for the laugh. This is a movie discussion forum. People are going to discuss movies beyond the water cooler casual conversation variety. That's why people are here. Having a good memory on such things has value to those who care about the subjects-as in, most of those posting here. It's funny you see that trait as a negative on a forum devoted to such things! What a character.
b)It is not absolute. Could they find someone of a different race that makes a Tinkerbell I would approve of? Sure. And I won't lose a moment of sleep that they have a non-white Tinkerbell (or James Bond or whoever else they swap). I just have zero faith in Disney because I know their motives have nothing to do with merit or social concern.
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Post by Vits on Sept 30, 2020 20:55:06 GMT
Having a good memory on such things has value to those who care about the subjects-as in, most of those posting here. It's funny you see that trait as a negative on a forum devoted to such things! What a character. I didn't say it's a negative trait. I said that you specifically are putting it to a bad use. Could they find someone of a different race that makes a Tinkerbell I would approve of? Sure.
I just have zero faith in Disney because I know their motives have nothing to do with merit or social concern.
These 2 statements contradict each other.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 30, 2020 21:03:50 GMT
I didn't say it's a negative trait. I said that you specifically are putting it to a bad use. Could they find someone of a different race that makes a Tinkerbell I would approve of? Sure.
I just have zero faith in Disney because I know their motives have nothing to do with merit or social concern.
These 2 statements contradict each other. Why a bad use? Because I proved that in the 1980s no one cared about Song of the South's alleged racism? The song from it was used as the theme for the Wonderful World of Disney show as well.
It's not a contradiction. You asked if there was any way that I would ever consider a Tinkerbell that was non white. Sure, if the casting had merit. I do not think Disney is capable of making merit-based decisions, whether the cast is white or not. If they are intending to do a sequel to the cartoon then the casting is way out of whack.
Jude Law is a bad choice for Hook. He's a somewhat bland romantic lead type, not a character actor. He's about as bad as Dustin Hoffman for different reasons.
The role suggests someone who has the presence of a Tommy Lee Jones or R Lee Ermy, if they wanted to be close to the cartoon.
PS I rewatched POTC 1 a while ago and liked it. I also like Mighty Joe Young the remake and the 1990s Jungle Book. I think Disney got worse as the years progressed. Too much micromanagement I assume.
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Post by Vits on Sept 30, 2020 21:19:13 GMT
Why a bad use? Because I proved that in the 1980s no one cared about Song of the South's alleged racism? No, because you say racist things, including your use of the word "alleged." You asked if there was any way that I would ever consider a Tinkerbell that was non white. Sure, if the casting had merit. I do not think Disney is capable of making merit-based decisions, whether the cast is white or not. Exactly. You have a predisposed attitude towards Disney, so you'll never approve any decision of this kind, no matter the process.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 30, 2020 21:33:17 GMT
The relevance of Tinkerbell is being way over-thought on this thread.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 30, 2020 21:37:22 GMT
No, because you say racist things, including your use of the word "alleged." Exactly. You have a predisposed attitude towards Disney, so you'll never approve any decision of this kind, no matter the process. I haven't seen it-and alleged can mean stated/declared/dubious. It has more than one meaning.
Based on experience, I think Disney sucks. It isn't predisposed, it is experience. I can see their political shenanigans and poor storytelling. The last Disney film I watched I think was POTC 4 and the politics came through in the film. The white christian guy tied to the mast who did nothing of value in the story except wounding a mermaid who was trying to help him and then freeing her so he could be dragged underwater to oblivion.
Rob Roy, the 1950s Disney film was more enjoyable for a film with matriarchal undercurrents.
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Post by Vits on Oct 1, 2020 8:53:47 GMT
The last Disney film I watched I think was POTC 4 and the politics came through in the film. The white christian guy tied to the mast who did nothing of value in the story except wounding a mermaid who was trying to help him and then freeing her so he could be dragged underwater to oblivion. Who better to explain what's currently wrong with a movie studio than someone who hasn't seen their movies since 2011, and who didn't even pay that much attention to the last one since he can't describe the plot adequately?
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 1, 2020 11:58:30 GMT
Who better to explain what's currently wrong with a movie studio than someone who hasn't seen their movies since 2011, and who didn't even pay that much attention to the last one since he can't describe the plot adequately? The last Disney movie I saw was 2015 I know the plot to POTC 4 all too well I just notice the stupid politics they put into them.
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Post by Toxicalicity on Oct 1, 2020 12:45:13 GMT
Eesh, they couldn't find someone prettier?
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Post by Vits on Oct 1, 2020 13:00:30 GMT
The last Disney movie I saw was 2015 There is no Disney movie with such a title.
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Post by Prime etc. on Oct 1, 2020 13:15:16 GMT
There is no Disney movie with such a title. Yeah I get it. Good night.
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