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Post by moviemouth on Sept 28, 2020 15:31:50 GMT
The look of a character is important for ME. Even hair color being different or characters I am very familiar with bugs the crap out of me. Again, that is my problem. It is still going to annoy me no matter what anyone says though. It's not just your problem because a lot of people think like you, which causes a negative effect of the film industry. As I said before, physical changes (hair color too) usually don't ruin a character. You say you're very familiar with some of them, but that's not the same as being attached to them. There are fans who think other aspects (like their personalities) are their true essence, hence why they aren't bothered by casting news like this. If they cast someone like Benicio Del Toro as a typically white character that isn't going to bother me as much and he is also a terrific actor. Well, his ethnicity is a mixture that seems to lean more towards white. I am saying that it is going to bother me no matter what and it is my undeniably selfish POV. Is this stuff going ruin my life or even my day? Of course not, juts annoy me and make me less interested in the movies. I can deal with that, but I am still going to say what I think about it. Funny how people aren't bothered by Commissioner Gordon being played by a black man and that is because WB isn't up there on their fucking high horse telling everyone how they should think.
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Post by Vits on Sept 28, 2020 17:40:56 GMT
I am saying that it is going to bother me no matter what and it is my undeniably selfish POV. Is this stuff going ruin my life or even my day? Of course not, juts annoy me and make me less interested in the movies. I can deal with that, but I am still going to say what I think about it. But that's like someone else saying "I'm aware that I'm racist and that's OK because I'll never physically attack anyone. I have a right to have these thoughts and I'll keep them to myself." If I met someone like that, it wouldn't stop me from trying to convince this person, especially because merely saying bad things is still wrong. Funny how people aren't bothered by Commissioner Gordon being played by a black man They were.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 28, 2020 17:52:46 GMT
I am saying that it is going to bother me no matter what and it is my undeniably selfish POV. Is this stuff going ruin my life or even my day? Of course not, juts annoy me and make me less interested in the movies. I can deal with that, but I am still going to say what I think about it. But that's like someone else saying "I'm aware that I'm racist and that's OK because I'll never physically attack anyone. I have a right to have these thoughts and I'll keep them to myself." If I met someone like that, it wouldn't stop me from trying to convince this person, especially because merely saying bad things is still wrong. Funny how people aren't bothered by Commissioner Gordon being played by a black man They were. Fair enough about Commissioner Gordon. I just didn't notice. You aren't going to convince me about anything btw. I distrust everything. I am a cynic. I have way too many reasons for my stance and I am not going to get into it here. There is probably a lot of cognitive dissonance and bias, but I know myself well enough to know I am not going to get around this most of the time. The rioting that the protests started in the U.S. is all related and like Hollywood, some of it is good for society and some of it is bad. We'll see what happens.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 28, 2020 18:10:54 GMT
I am saying that it is going to bother me no matter what and it is my undeniably selfish POV. Is this stuff going ruin my life or even my day? Of course not, juts annoy me and make me less interested in the movies. I can deal with that, but I am still going to say what I think about it. But that's like someone else saying "I'm aware that I'm racist and that's OK because I'll never physically attack anyone. I have a right to have these thoughts and I'll keep them to myself." If I met someone like that, it wouldn't stop me from trying to convince this person, especially because merely saying bad things is still wrong. Funny how people aren't bothered by Commissioner Gordon being played by a black man They were. Nobody thinks they are racist. Well, maybe some people do. I mean I don't know what the KKK and neo-Nazis think about themselves. I assume they know they are racist based on what the main definition of the word is. That they think the white race is superior in every way and they must enforce this superiority. I think it is a near impossible task to convince someone they are racist, if they are "know" they aren't. I am very curious how this conversation would go if you found out I was actually a black person. I'm not, but I know for a fact their are black people who feel similar to how I feel. They are typically considered 'uncle Toms" who have been brainwashed by white America.
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Post by Vits on Sept 28, 2020 18:23:40 GMT
You aren't going to convince me about anything btw. I distrust everything. I am a cynic. I have way too many reasons for my stance and I am not going to get into it here. There is probably a lot of cognitive dissonance and bias, but I know myself well enough to know I am not going to get around this most of the time. You might be admitting to your wrong actions in a self-deprecating way, but the truth is it's an indirect justification. Nobody thinks they are racist. Well, maybe some people do. I mean I don't know what the KKK and neo-Nazis think about themselves. I assume they know they are racist based on what the main definition of the word is. That they think the white race is superior in every way and they must enforce this superiority. I think it is a near impossible task to convince someone they are racist, if they are "know" they aren't. None of that matters. If there's something wrong in the world, we seek justice. People might have different definitions of that word, but regardless, we can all agree that we have to do something about it. If we convince ourselves that things can't get better, what's the point in living?
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 28, 2020 18:30:04 GMT
You aren't going to convince me about anything btw. I distrust everything. I am a cynic. I have way too many reasons for my stance and I am not going to get into it here. There is probably a lot of cognitive dissonance and bias, but I know myself well enough to know I am not going to get around this most of the time. You might be admitting to your wrong actions in a self-deprecating way, but the truth is it's an indirect justification. Nobody thinks they are racist. Well, maybe some people do. I mean I don't know what the KKK and neo-Nazis think about themselves. I assume they know they are racist based on what the main definition of the word is. That they think the white race is superior in every way and they must enforce this superiority. I think it is a near impossible task to convince someone they are racist, if they are "know" they aren't. None of that matters. If there's something wrong in the world, we seek justice. People might have different definitions of that word, but regardless, we can all agree that we have to do something about it. If we convince ourselves that things can't get better, what's the point in living? There is no point in living. I am fed up with life and society. I can't distinguish the lies from the truth and I don't trust anybody except my own family. I don't even trust my own views on reality. I am very close to losing my sanity completely I think. I am an existential nihilist and a soft solipsist.
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Post by Vits on Sept 28, 2020 18:51:12 GMT
There is no point in living. I am fed up with life and society. I can't distinguish the lies from the truth and I don't trust anybody except my own family. I don't even trust my own views on reality. I am very close to losing my sanity completely I think. I am an existential nihilist and a soft solopsist. And yet you're still alive, so... Part of me hopes your family feels the same way, otherwise it would be very awkward to live with you.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 28, 2020 19:00:12 GMT
There is no point in living. I am fed up with life and society. I can't distinguish the lies from the truth and I don't trust anybody except my own family. I don't even trust my own views on reality. I am very close to losing my sanity completely I think. I am an existential nihilist and a soft solopsist. And yet you're still alive, so... Part of me hopes your family feels the same way, otherwise it would be very awkward to live with you. Yes, I am still alive because I don't hate being alive but I also don't care if I die. I am basically just biding my time. I purposely have no friends or wife or girlfriend or children. My birth family knows how I feel and just deals with it because they love me. I think they block it out. I am very clear on my opinions with them. I have empathy, but it is a diluted form of empathy. My apathy is stronger than my empathy for sure though. If my birth family dies before me, I will probably commit suicide. I am hoping to die before I am 50. I am 37 now. My views tend to either scare people or make them very uncomfortable. I usually avoid talking about it with people.
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Post by forca84 on Sept 28, 2020 19:46:52 GMT
Could care less she is playing Tinkerbell... Surprised they are attempting another "Peter Pan" adaptation. Jeez. How many do we need? Not counting live versions etc. The 2015 version was panned. (Didn't watch it tbh.)
I'm just resigned to the fact Disney will basically go through it's catalog and make every animated movie live action or CGI. (I'm assuming this is a Disney production?)
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Post by Vits on Sept 28, 2020 19:53:55 GMT
Yes, I am still alive because I don't hate being alive but I also don't care if I die. I am basically just biding my time. I purposely have no friends or wife or girlfriend or children. My birth family knows how I feel and just deals with it because they love me. I think they block it out. I am very clear on my opinions with them. I have empathy, but it is a diluted form of empathy. My apathy is stronger than my empathy for sure though. If my birth family dies before me, I will probably commit suicide. I am hoping to die before I am 50. I am 37 now. My views tend to either scare people or make them very uncomfortable. I usually avoid talking about it with people. [Slow clap] I haven't read such glorification of one's own flaws in quite some time. If you're done reading your introduction card (which describes you as the quirky outsider who no one understands for being so ahead of their time), let's get back to the topic. No matter how cool or poetic a person makes their bad actions/thoughts seem, they're still bad, and good people will always be there to prevent them or fix them.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 28, 2020 21:01:54 GMT
I don’t care that Tinker Bell is black. I just wish they actually would have cast a good actress.
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Post by moviemouth on Sept 28, 2020 21:01:55 GMT
Yes, I am still alive because I don't hate being alive but I also don't care if I die. I am basically just biding my time. I purposely have no friends or wife or girlfriend or children. My birth family knows how I feel and just deals with it because they love me. I think they block it out. I am very clear on my opinions with them. I have empathy, but it is a diluted form of empathy. My apathy is stronger than my empathy for sure though. If my birth family dies before me, I will probably commit suicide. I am hoping to die before I am 50. I am 37 now. My views tend to either scare people or make them very uncomfortable. I usually avoid talking about it with people. [Slow clap] I haven't read such glorification of one's own flaws in quite some time. If you're done reading your introduction card (which describes you as the quirky outsider who no one understands for being so ahead of their time), let's get back to the topic. No matter how cool or poetic a person makes their bad actions/thoughts seem, they're still bad, and good people will always be there to prevent them or fix them. You want your bad person then you have him. If I am a bad or even if I were an evil person, so be it. I disagree to an extent. I am a mix of good and evil. Some days I want to help people and some days the opposite. You can dismiss my truth, but it is still my truth. Life and the human race are a sick joke to me. Have a wonderful self-righteous day.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 0:11:29 GMT
Ultimately these changes are done to diminish European cultural expression. There goes a job for an upcoming blonde actress who might have resonated with audiences. Is there anyone of western European extraction listed as a director for any of Disney's new films? If Walt Disney showed up at the door of the company he created, they would not hire him because he doesn't fit their race quotas. And yet they keep using his name for the company. Why not change it?
They lack the imagination to do their own thing--it's easier and more politically subversive to attack European cultural expression than have various racial groups have freedom to express themselves for whatever audience is interested in them.
Disney was popular with Europeans and others who liked that sort of thing.
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 7:26:17 GMT
There goes a job for an upcoming blonde actress who might have resonated with audiences. You... really don't understand how this all works, do you? If Walt Disney showed up at the door of the company he created, they would not hire him because he doesn't fit their race quotas. And yet they keep using his name for the company. Why not change it? That's a moot point, since he created the company in the first place. If he hadn't, he wouldn't have a good enough resume to convince other companies to hire him. Anyway, if you have any concrete evidence that a person wasn't hired in any film studio because they're white, tell us. Otherwise, you're just saying nonsense. They lack the imagination to do their own thing--it's easier and more politically subversive to attack European cultural expression than have various racial groups have freedom to express themselves for whatever audience is interested in them. Geez... No one is attacking European culture. Also, how is casting an actress that doesn't look like the original Tinkerbell not doing their own thing?
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 7:43:49 GMT
You... really don't understand how this all works, do you? They...really do not understand how this all works, do they? Tinkerbell was the mascot of the company- -everyone knows what she resembled-so they did this deliberately.
This is why the Disney co. reputation keeps sliding down and down. They alienate Europeans, the original audience for it. If Tinkerbell was the only blackwashed character then you could say it isn't an agenda, but they keep doing it. Mermaids, superheroes, various tv show remakes.
Even Peter Pan isn't white in this--he's Indian or Pakistani. Another job lost for a European, the original race of the character.
Explain to us why using someone nonwhite is not meant as an attack on a European cultural image? Or, if you prefer, explain why this nonwhite performer is ideal for the role and no European was?
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 8:36:39 GMT
They...really do not understand how this all works, do they? Hardy har har. I was referring to your comment about someone losing a job opportunity. That's why this whole thing started. Minorities get less job opportunities and things are now being balanced. When a white character is changed, it doesn't mean a white actor loses a job opportunity, because they'll find another one immediately since there are so many out there. If a non-white character is changed, it does mean a non-white actor loses a job opportunity, because they might not find another one anytime soon. Tinkerbell was the mascot of the company No, that's Mickey Mouse. They alienate Europeans, the original audience for it. No, because only a bigot would refuse to watch a movie just for having actors that look different than them. Also, the original audience is children all around the world. If Tinkerbell was the only blackwashed character then you could say it isn't an agenda] Ah, so if every single character was turned black (like in THE WIZ), you wouldn't complain? I doubt it. Another job lost for a European, the original race of the character. Geez, you did it again. Also, European isn't a race. Explain to us why using someone nonwhite is not meant as an attack on a European cultural image? See, in cases like these, it's you who should explain that. It's a nonsensical statement that not a lot of people will agree with. explain why this nonwhite performer is ideal for the role and no European was? First, I'd have to know if the script specified the race change.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 13:03:05 GMT
Hardy har har. I was referring to your comment about someone losing a job opportunity. That's why this whole thing started. Minorities get less job opportunities and things are now being balanced. When a white character is changed, it doesn't mean a white actor loses a job opportunity, because they'll find another one immediately since there are so many out there. If a non-white character is changed, it does mean a non-white actor loses a job opportunity, because they might not find another one anytime soon. No, that's Mickey Mouse. No, because only a bigot would refuse to watch a movie just for having actors that look different than them. Also, the original audience is children all around the world. Ah, so if every single character was turned black (like in THE WIZ), you wouldn't complain? I doubt it. Geez, you did it again. Also, European isn't a race. See, in cases like these, it's you who should explain that. It's a nonsensical statement that not a lot of people will agree with. First, I'd have to know if the script specified the race change. Oh boy, the low wattage folks I have to put up with... If they were making a movie about Sulu and cast a Norwegian as the character, a Japanese actor would lose a job. Ergo, a character designed as white--by the author and Disney, casting a misc. means a white performer loses a job.
Just a reminder--film as well as the dramatic structure of film was invented in Europe, by Europeans. It wasn't invented in Africa. Seems like a no-brainer that Europeans as a race or ethnicity or whatever you want to call it, have the moral right to self-determination and opportunities to express themselves in the culture for others of their kind to see. Blackwashing means a white person loses a job made for them. You can try to piss away the importance by saying a white person will find another job, but as what? Little Orphan Annie? oh nope-black person for that one. The Little Mermaid? Nope- black. Nick Fury? nope--black again. Valkeryie? Nope--non-white again. In that case they didn't even have the decency to admit it was deliberate-they claimed a non-white gave the best audition--but why was a non-white auditioning for a character designed as white?
Just more of the delusional BS like keeping the company name Disney while hating Disney as a person.
Tinkerbell was the mascot of Wonderful World of Disney--used in the opening credits as well as other Disney logos.
The original audience for Disney was European audiences. Good luck trying to re-write history on that one. Did Disney make those 1950s Robin Hood and Rob Roy films for Africa? lol At least you can try to lie with some intelligence.
Ultimately this sort of stunt is saying "white lives don't matter" which we know Disney really believes. They don't really care about nonwhite lives either though--thus they removed a Tibetan from Dr Strange so China wasn't offended.
I am going to take a while guess and suggest that Captain Hook will not be portrayed by a non-white.
They'll probably make him blonde.
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 14:28:03 GMT
If they were making a movie about Sulu and cast a Norwegian as the character, a Japanese actor would lose a job. Ergo, a character designed as white--by the author and Disney, casting a misc. means a white performer loses a job. Did you not read what I wrote about why it's not the same situation when a white actor loses a job? film as well as the dramatic structure of film was invented in Europe, by Europeans. It wasn't invented in Africa. Seems like a no-brainer that Europeans as a race or ethnicity or whatever you want to call it, have the moral right to self-determination and opportunities to express themselves in the culture for others of their kind to see. Yeah, I remember you saying all this in another thread. I already explained why you were wrong, so why are you still blabbering this nonsense? Little Orphan Annie? oh nope-black person for that one. The Little Mermaid? Nope- black. Nick Fury? nope--black again. Valkeryie? Nope--non-white again. In that case they didn't even have the decency to admit it was deliberate-they claimed a non-white gave the best audition--but why was a non-white auditioning for a character designed as white? Actors are either hired by open auditions or by direct offers. The latter happens when the actor is famous. There's a difference between letting someone audition when the character doesn't match the description of the script versus re-writing the character. Those characters' races were never relevant to their stories, so changing them doesn't affect the new movies' plots. Besides, Nick Fury had already been shown as black in the comics before the movies. I might give you Valkyrie since she's based on a Norse mythological figure... but the THOR movies had already gone against it in many regards, so... Tinkerbell was the mascot of Wonderful World of Disney--used in the opening credits as well as other Disney logos. Well, I doubt that version will disappear, so what do you care? The original audience for Disney was European audiences. Good luck trying to re-write history on that one. Did Disney make those 1950s Robin Hood and Rob Roy films for Africa? Well, yes. Do you think PINOCCHIO was only made for Italians? Movies have always been made to be shown all around the world. Even when the U.S. was segregated (your favorite time period, I assume?), black people were still allowed to go to the cinema. "white lives don't matter" Oh, you're one of those people. I should be surprised, but I'm not. I am going to take a while guess and suggest that Captain Hook will not be portrayed by a non-white. If you were Biff Tannen, this would be the moment where your older self would hit you for saying "While" instead of "Wild" and tell you that you sound like a damn fool. Hook will be played by Jude Law. Couldn't you have looked it up yourself? Isn't that what the internet is for? Well, you can't even use expressions correctly, so I assume you're not interested in researching and trying to increase your intellect.
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Post by Prime etc. on Sept 29, 2020 15:41:48 GMT
Those characters' races were never relevant to their stories, That's racism. Because if it is a nonwhite character then voila--suddenly race matters.
Jude Law-- ha I was right.
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Post by Vits on Sept 29, 2020 15:55:16 GMT
That's racism. Because if it is a nonwhite character then voila--suddenly race matters. By "matters" you mean that people complain about it? Well, there are always people who'll complain no matter who gets hired. You're living proof of that. For the 3rd time: Taking a non-white actor's job opportunity means it'll be hard for them to find another job, while a white actor won't struggle that way. That's why people complain, even when the non-white character that's being changed is defined by something other than their race. Jude Law-- ha I was right. No, you weren't. I've been making comments about your intelligence, since you haven't really displayed it, but if you're now going to tell me you think Jude isn't white, then we're getting into another territory. The territory called "Lack of brain cells."
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