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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 13:43:14 GMT
Why can't you tell me what makes me "poor people?" And when did I ever ask you to subsidize me?  Maybe you have a limited understanding of the American language. Maybe I should try telling you in your peculiar dialect. Here goes: I buys me own 'ealth insurance, mate.There. Did you understand that?  I know you buy your own health insurance idiot that wasn't the point I was making. And you've stated that your earn around $14 an hour that makes you a poor person Erjen. The point is you think "socialised" medicine is some type of evil,as evidenced by your comments on the Jimmy Kimmel thread. What you can't or won't accept is the fire and police service are a "socialised" service as well. They are both free at the point of access, and the level of service you receive is not based on your ability to pay. I and people like me in your state pay more towards maintaining the police and fire service through our taxes(both income and property) than low earners like you. We subsidise people like you who pay less but get the same level of service. Now should high earners like me be able to opt out of paying for the police and fire service? Could we instead pay a private police force and fire service to meet our needs, services that would prioritise us and not poor people who don't pay their fair share. Why are people like me not given that option in the UK or USA Erjen? Do you think we should? I've addressed this already. If people want so-called "free" healthcare, I am not against them having it, but I don't believe that it should be mandatory for everyone. Actually, I earn just a little less than $13 an hour. If that makes me a poor, I'm wondering what percentage of my countrymen are also considered poor. I also have an IRA and a 401k which are sizeable, and recently I became a landowner. Does that factor into your definition of poor, or is it all about the income? |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 14:55:02 GMT
I know you buy your own health insurance idiot that wasn't the point I was making. And you've stated that your earn around $14 an hour that makes you a poor person Erjen. The point is you think "socialised" medicine is some type of evil,as evidenced by your comments on the Jimmy Kimmel thread. What you can't or won't accept is the fire and police service are a "socialised" service as well. They are both free at the point of access, and the level of service you receive is not based on your ability to pay. I and people like me in your state pay more towards maintaining the police and fire service through our taxes(both income and property) than low earners like you. We subsidise people like you who pay less but get the same level of service. Now should high earners like me be able to opt out of paying for the police and fire service? Could we instead pay a private police force and fire service to meet our needs, services that would prioritise us and not poor people who don't pay their fair share. Why are people like me not given that option in the UK or USA Erjen? Do you think we should? I've addressed this already. If people want so-called "free" healthcare, I am not against them having it, but I don't believe that it should be mandatory for everyone. Actually, I earn just a little less than $13 an hour. If that makes me a poor, I'm wondering what percentage of my countrymen are also considered poor. I also have an IRA and a 401k which are sizeable, and recently I became a landowner. Does that factor into your definition of poor, or is it all about the income? No Erjen you haven't, on the Jimmy Kimmel thread all you did was say you supported a the fire and police service. Or do you think something is not socialised just because you happen to agree with it. You see it goes right to the heart of the matter,you have been fed a steady diet of propaganda with regards to UHC which has led you to decry a system that would offer you better coverage at a cheaper price,under the NHS people people who earn more pay more towards its upkeep(10% of their annual income),you because of your income would pay a minimal amount. Let's say your earn $30,000(£23,000) a year,your national insurance contributions which are an employer, employee tax would be £1,794($2,300) a year. Only 25% of national insurance contributions go towards healthcare so the cost of full coverage healthcare in the UK on your annual salary would be £400($580). Now how much does your medical insurance cost per year Erjen? Whatever it is I guarantee the NHS is far more extensive in its coverage. So how much do I pay for my healthcare coverage on the NHS: I paid from April to April £5,424($6,990) in national insurance contributions so my contributions towards my healthcare coverage were £1,400($1,804) per year. I pay 3 times as much as you for the same health coverage as you would get Erjen,the reason why is because people in this country believe health care is a human right which should not be subjected to market forces in the form of it being run by only private insurance companies for the benefit of share holders. So the question why would you be against a system that would be cheaper and offer you better coverage? Can you answer that question honestly? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 19:38:08 GMT
I've addressed this already. If people want so-called "free" healthcare, I am not against them having it, but I don't believe that it should be mandatory for everyone. Actually, I earn just a little less than $13 an hour. If that makes me a poor, I'm wondering what percentage of my countrymen are also considered poor. I also have an IRA and a 401k which are sizeable, and recently I became a landowner. Does that factor into your definition of poor, or is it all about the income? No Erjen you haven't, on the Jimmy Kimmel thread all you did was say you supported a the fire and police service. Or do you think something is not socialised just because you happen to agree with it. You see it goes right to the heart of the matter,you have been fed a steady diet of propaganda with regards to UHC which has led you to decry a system that would offer you better coverage at a cheaper price,under the NHS people people who earn more pay more towards its upkeep(10% of their annual income),you because of your income would pay a minimal amount. Let's say your earn $30,000(£23,000) a year,your national insurance contributions which are an employer, employee tax would be £1,794($2,300) a year. Only 25% of national insurance contributions go towards healthcare so the cost of full coverage healthcare in the UK on your annual salary would be £400($580). Now how much does your medical insurance cost per year Erjen? Whatever it is I guarantee the NHS is far more extensive in its coverage. So how much do I pay for my healthcare coverage on the NHS: I paid from April to April £5,424($6,990) in national insurance contributions so my contributions towards my healthcare coverage were £1,400($1,804) per year. I pay 3 times as much as you for the same health coverage as you would get Erjen,the reason why is because people in this country believe health care is a human right which should not be subjected to market forces in the form of it being run by only private insurance companies for the benefit of share holders. So the question why would you be against a system that would be cheaper and offer you better coverage? Can you answer that question honestly? Because I like to buy my own health insurance. I also like to buy my own food instead of letting the government do it for me. Hope that helps. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 19:48:38 GMT
No Erjen you haven't, on the Jimmy Kimmel thread all you did was say you supported a the fire and police service. Or do you think something is not socialised just because you happen to agree with it. You see it goes right to the heart of the matter,you have been fed a steady diet of propaganda with regards to UHC which has led you to decry a system that would offer you better coverage at a cheaper price,under the NHS people people who earn more pay more towards its upkeep(10% of their annual income),you because of your income would pay a minimal amount. Let's say your earn $30,000(£23,000) a year,your national insurance contributions which are an employer, employee tax would be £1,794($2,300) a year. Only 25% of national insurance contributions go towards healthcare so the cost of full coverage healthcare in the UK on your annual salary would be £400($580). Now how much does your medical insurance cost per year Erjen? Whatever it is I guarantee the NHS is far more extensive in its coverage. So how much do I pay for my healthcare coverage on the NHS: I paid from April to April £5,424($6,990) in national insurance contributions so my contributions towards my healthcare coverage were £1,400($1,804) per year. I pay 3 times as much as you for the same health coverage as you would get Erjen,the reason why is because people in this country believe health care is a human right which should not be subjected to market forces in the form of it being run by only private insurance companies for the benefit of share holders. So the question why would you be against a system that would be cheaper and offer you better coverage? Can you answer that question honestly? Because I like to buy my own health insurance. I also like to buy my own food instead of letting the government do it for me. Hope that helps. Yeah it does help Erjen you cut your nose of to spite your face. People who make millions from people like you have fed you propaganda and lies to such an extent that you'd go against your own self interest. And now we come back to choice Erjen. If choice is such a good thing should I be able to opt out of paying towards the socialized police and fire service and subsidizing people like you who pay less than I do but get the same level of service Should I be able to contribute towards a private police and fire service that prioritizes me because I can afford to pay more? Why can't you address this point Erjen? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 19:54:22 GMT
Because I like to buy my own health insurance. I also like to buy my own food instead of letting the government do it for me. Hope that helps. Yeah it does help Erjen you cut your nose of to spite your face. People who make millions from people like you have fed you propaganda and lies to such an extent that you'd go against your own self interest. And now we come back to choice Erjen. If choice is such a good thing should I be able to opt out of paying towards the socialized police and fire service and subsidizing people like you who pay less than I do but get the same level of service Should I be able to contribute towards a private police and fire service that prioritizes me because I can afford to pay more? Why can't you address this point Erjen? Why can't you address the point that health care is a more personal issue than police, fire department, and other public works? Why can't you understand that, Superdude? Where does the brain damage come from that prevents you from understanding that? |
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Post by general313 on May 13, 2017 20:00:51 GMT
Whoo! Dropped the topic like a hot Nibiru! I wouldn't want to argue in the face of those accomplishments, either. Where's your data arguing the case against the relationship between axial movement and climate change? Where's you data? And why is Scientific American doing damage control for Obama? Are they going to do the same for Trump? Scientific American is obviously a pro-science journal, and is naturally supports a president that is sympathetic to science research. www.nytimes.com/2017/03/16/climate/trump-budget-science-research.html |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 20:12:54 GMT
Interesting, but I'd be surprised if the New York Times ever says anything positive about Trump. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 20:20:03 GMT
Yeah it does help Erjen you cut your nose of to spite your face. People who make millions from people like you have fed you propaganda and lies to such an extent that you'd go against your own self interest. And now we come back to choice Erjen. If choice is such a good thing should I be able to opt out of paying towards the socialized police and fire service and subsidizing people like you who pay less than I do but get the same level of service Should I be able to contribute towards a private police and fire service that prioritizes me because I can afford to pay more? Why can't you address this point Erjen? Why can't you address the point that health care is a more personal issue than police, fire department, and other public works? Why can't you understand that, Superdude? Where does the brain damage come from that prevents you from understanding that? That's subjective rubbish Erjen to avoid addressing the issue. Since the Jimmy Kimmel thread you've constantly repeated that socialized medicine is evil and how any system that doesn't allow you to opt out is facist. The key is socialized Erjen if socialized systems are "evil" and "facist" why aren't you and others who think like you campaigning for choice in the police and fire services that would allow people to choose their provider and opt out of the service if they wanted to? The reason is Erjen the people who feed you your propaganda and get rich of you do not want to privatize the police or fire service for the simple reason doing so would end up being dangerous for them. You accept some "socialized" systems without question and yet you rail against one in particular and you can't articulate a good reason as to why. One of us suffering from brain damage Erjen unfortunately for you it isn't me. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 20:41:44 GMT
Why can't you address the point that health care is a more personal issue than police, fire department, and other public works? Why can't you understand that, Superdude? Where does the brain damage come from that prevents you from understanding that? That's subjective rubbish Erjen to avoid addressing the issue. Since the Jimmy Kimmel thread you've constantly repeated that socialized medicine is evil and how any system that doesn't allow you to opt out is facist. The key is socialized Erjen if socialized systems are "evil" and "facist" why aren't you and others who think like you campaigning for choice in the police and fire services that would allow people to choose their provider and opt out of the service if they wanted to? The reason is Erjen the people who feed you your propaganda and get rich of you do not want to privatize the police or fire service for the simple reason doing so would end up being dangerous for them. You accept some "socialized" systems without question and yet you rail against one in particular and you can't articulate a good reason as to why. One of us suffering from brain damage Erjen unfortunately for you it isn't me. I addressed the issue. And honestly too. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 20:56:36 GMT
That's subjective rubbish Erjen to avoid addressing the issue. Since the Jimmy Kimmel thread you've constantly repeated that socialized medicine is evil and how any system that doesn't allow you to opt out is facist. The key is socialized Erjen if socialized systems are "evil" and "facist" why aren't you and others who think like you campaigning for choice in the police and fire services that would allow people to choose their provider and opt out of the service if they wanted to? The reason is Erjen the people who feed you your propaganda and get rich of you do not want to privatize the police or fire service for the simple reason doing so would end up being dangerous for them. You accept some "socialized" systems without question and yet you rail against one in particular and you can't articulate a good reason as to why. One of us suffering from brain damage Erjen unfortunately for you it isn't me. I addressed the issue. And honestly too. No Erjen you haven't, not that I expected anything different from you. What you can't explain is why you accept some socialized systems without question,and pay towards them without asking for the ability to choose the provider or opt out. And yet when it comes to healthcare you aggressively demand these rights,even though those rights have led to an overpriced and poorly covered service for you. You always talk about other people swallowing propaganda Erjen when the sad truth is you're the gullible fool who swallows more of it than any of us. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 21:01:27 GMT
I addressed the issue. And honestly too. No Erjen you haven't, not that I expected anything different from you. What you can't explain is why you accept some socialized systems without question,and pay towards them without asking for the ability to choose the provider or opt out. And yet when it comes to healthcare you aggressively demand these rights,even though those rights have led to an overpriced and poorly covered service for you. You always talk about other people swallowing propaganda Erjen when the sad truth is you're the gullible fool who swallows more of it than any of us. Yes, I have, although I was under no obligation to do so. Do you want that every man, woman, and child in the States be signed up for national health care coverage whether they want it or not? |
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Post by cupcakes on May 13, 2017 21:04:14 GMT
tpfkar Shouldn't be any signing up of anything, it should just be there for citizens.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 21:09:17 GMT
tpfkar Shouldn't be any signing up of anything, it should just be there for citizens.
He isn't people. People have souls.Only if they want it. |
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Post by cupcakes on May 13, 2017 21:13:31 GMT
tpfkar Sure, just as you're free to stay off the interstates and tell your local Natl. Guard that your taxes for defense are actually going to chemtrail education.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 21:16:01 GMT
tpfkar Sure, just as you're free to stay off the interstates and tell your local Natl. Guard that your taxes for defense are actually going to chemtrail education.
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Post by cupcakes on May 13, 2017 21:18:46 GMT
tpfkar Nonsensical assertion punt.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 21:21:03 GMT
No Erjen you haven't, not that I expected anything different from you. What you can't explain is why you accept some socialized systems without question,and pay towards them without asking for the ability to choose the provider or opt out. And yet when it comes to healthcare you aggressively demand these rights,even though those rights have led to an overpriced and poorly covered service for you. You always talk about other people swallowing propaganda Erjen when the sad truth is you're the gullible fool who swallows more of it than any of us. Yes, I have, although I was under no obligation to do so. Do you want that every man, woman, and child in the States be signed up for national health care coverage whether they want it or not? Yes Erjen I do. What you're not understanding is every man women and child is already "signed up" to universal coverage when it comes to the fire and police service.Whether they want it or not. And they and the country are all the better for it. |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 21:28:20 GMT
Yes, I have, although I was under no obligation to do so. Do you want that every man, woman, and child in the States be signed up for national health care coverage whether they want it or not? Yes Erjen I do. What you're not understanding is every man women and child is already "signed up" to universal coverage when it comes to the fire and police service.Whether they want it or not. And they and the country are all the better for it. No, I don't think so. It's not your country, and not your business. |
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 21:34:12 GMT
Yes Erjen I do. What you're not understanding is every man women and child is already "signed up" to universal coverage when it comes to the fire and police service.Whether they want it or not. And they and the country are all the better for it. No, I don't think so. It's not your country, and not your business. So you don't think that a police and fire service that covers every man women and child in America whether they want it or not and regardless of their ability to pay for it,doesn't make the country better for them? Is that what you're telling me? |
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Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 21:39:22 GMT
No, I don't think so. It's not your country, and not your business. So you don't think that a police and fire service that covers every man women and child in America whether they want it or not and regardless of their ability to pay for it,doesn't make the country better for them? Is that what you're telling me? I'm telling you that health care and police/fire are a non-equivalency. |
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