Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 21:51:09 GMT
So you don't think that a police and fire service that covers every man women and child in America whether they want it or not and regardless of their ability to pay for it,doesn't make the country better for them? Is that what you're telling me? I'm telling you that health care and police/fire are a non-equivalency.  No they're not non-equivalent Erjen stop repeating this ridiculous statement as if it has any validity. The healthcare,fire service and police are all in the business of saving lives. Each person requires lifetime coverage from all three to help guarantee their health and safety. Poor coverage and service from any of those three services can result in serious issues to any citizen who needs to use them. There's three valid equivalencies between them to start with. |
|
|
|
Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 21:56:00 GMT
I'm telling you that health care and police/fire are a non-equivalency. No they're not non-equivalent Erjen stop repeating this ridiculous statement as if it has any validity. The healthcare,fire service and police are all in the business of saving lives. Each person requires lifetime coverage from all three to help guarantee their health and safety. Poor coverage and service from any of those three services can result in serious issues to any citizen who needs to use them. There's three valid equivalencies between them to start with. No, I'm afraid not. Forcing people to take part in a national health care system is fascist. If it's as great as you say, it wouldn't have to be forced on people. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 22:06:35 GMT
No they're not non-equivalent Erjen stop repeating this ridiculous statement as if it has any validity. The healthcare,fire service and police are all in the business of saving lives. Each person requires lifetime coverage from all three to help guarantee their health and safety. Poor coverage and service from any of those three services can result in serious issues to any citizen who needs to use them. There's three valid equivalencies between them to start with. No, I'm afraid not. Forcing people to take part in a national health care system is fascist. If it's as great as you say, it wouldn't have to be forced on people. You've revealed yourself once again to be an obtuse fool. You are forced to take part in many national services Erjen as I've demonstrated several times in this thread. That you don't bat an eyelid about them is because they've always been this way so you're used to them. And yet healthcare somehow deserves a unique status in your eyes,not only should you be able to choose your provider but opt out of it as well. You still can't answer why you don't seek the same rights when it comes to the police or fire services your nonsensical statement about equivalency notwithstanding. If the police and fire services are as great as everybody says they are why can't I opt out of them? |
|
|
|
Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 22:09:28 GMT
No, I'm afraid not. Forcing people to take part in a national health care system is fascist. If it's as great as you say, it wouldn't have to be forced on people. You've revealed yourself once again to be an obtuse fool. You are forced to take part in many national services Erjen as I've demonstrated several times in this thread. That you don't bat an eyelid about them is because they've always been this way so you're used to them. And yet healthcare somehow deserves a unique status in your eyes,not only should you be able to choose your provider but opt out of it as well. You still can't answer why you don't seek the same rights when it comes to the police or fire services your nonsensical statement about equivalency notwithstanding. If the police and fire services are as great as everybody says they are why can't I opt out of them? Already explained. I support the concept police and fire department. I don't support the government meddling in my health care. Hope that helps. |
|
islandmur
Sophomore
All religions have messages of peace and love yet all religions are used for wars and hatred...
@islandmur
Posts: 320
Likes: 180
 
|
Post by islandmur on May 13, 2017 22:18:50 GMT
So you don't think that a police and fire service that covers every man women and child in America whether they want it or not and regardless of their ability to pay for it,doesn't make the country better for them? Is that what you're telling me? I'm telling you that health care and police/fire are a non-equivalency. I'll agree with you there! How likely are you to be in a fire in your lifetime? Ever been in one? How often have you been ill? |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 22:20:25 GMT
You've revealed yourself once again to be an obtuse fool. You are forced to take part in many national services Erjen as I've demonstrated several times in this thread. That you don't bat an eyelid about them is because they've always been this way so you're used to them. And yet healthcare somehow deserves a unique status in your eyes,not only should you be able to choose your provider but opt out of it as well. You still can't answer why you don't seek the same rights when it comes to the police or fire services your nonsensical statement about equivalency notwithstanding. If the police and fire services are as great as everybody says they are why can't I opt out of them? Already explained. I support the concept police and fire department. I don't support the government meddling in my health care. Hope that helps. Yes I can see your support the concept of a socialized police and fire service Erjen.You've been conditioned not to question that socialized system,instead you question the healthcare system so unscrupulous people can rip you off for hundreds of thousands of dollars throughout your lifetime as you block the creation of a system(UHC) that would not only save you money but may actually save your life. But as long as there's no government meddling right? I guess when I showed you how much full healthcare coverage was in the UK at your salary it was considerably less than you're paying now. Continue to make people who don't give a shit about you very rich by voting against your self interest in favor of theirs. |
|
|
|
Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 22:22:34 GMT
I'm telling you that health care and police/fire are a non-equivalency. I'll agree with you there! How likely are you to be in a fire in your lifetime? Ever been in one? How often have you been ill? A few times. And I paid for it without government meddling. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 22:22:43 GMT
I'm telling you that health care and police/fire are a non-equivalency. I'll agree with you there! How likely are you to be in a fire in your lifetime? Ever been in one? How often have you been ill? Yes because the frequency you use a service is a barometer for equivalency. |
|
|
|
Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 22:24:16 GMT
Right. Finally you seem to be getting it. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 22:27:30 GMT
Right. Finally you seem to be getting it. Your distraction thread to cover up your complete inability to answer questions in this thread contained homophobia. Same old Erjen time for you to go the way of Ada. |
|
|
|
Post by The Herald Erjen on May 13, 2017 22:30:41 GMT
Right. Finally you seem to be getting it. Your distraction thread to cover up your complete inability to answer questions in this thread contained homophobia. Same old Erjen time for you to go the way of Ada. Blame Progressive-Element. He inspired me with his A video for Arlon thread. So far Arlon has wisely (in my opinion) ignored it. |
|
Deleted
Deleted Member
@Deleted
Posts: 0
Likes:
|
Post by Deleted on May 13, 2017 22:50:14 GMT
Your distraction thread to cover up your complete inability to answer questions in this thread contained homophobia. Same old Erjen time for you to go the way of Ada. Blame Progressive-Element. He inspired me with his A video for Arlon thread. So far Arlon has wisely (in my opinion) ignored it. Three distraction threads between you and Maya Erjen really? I don't know why you'd want to conceal the idiocy you've displayed on this thread it's not as if most of us haven't been reading the same cheap dodges and inability to answer direct questions for years. |
|
|
|
Post by maya55555 on May 13, 2017 22:56:31 GMT
Cine:
...and what, pray tell is your data source?
|
|
|
|
Post by thorshairspray on May 14, 2017 3:54:03 GMT
Who... Maxine Waters? Any comparison between the numbers lapping up Jone's and Beck's insistence and "liberal elite" doing the same is some stretching indeed. I thought all we'd seen was a 2009 return or something? All I've seen is Maddow holding a dated document up and getting roasted by her own side for milking nothing. This gets a little silly when even Macron had to set up dummy servers to handle the influx of interference. I can guarantee you the US does what it can to interfere in foreign elections, why anyone would doubt the other side tries the same is beyond me. This story was born and died inside a month. Yet Breitbart chat sections are still filled with Pizza Gate, "trail of dead bodies" tales, and Jone's stories are still pitched despite his having admitted the whole thing was an act for ratings.  Yeah, ok man. People just bought that Clinton was running a pizza shop child factory out of "desperation". You play a bit at being non-partisan but LORDY. I suspect that those on either side who willingly sought out "blog journalism" for their info believed what they did for the very simple reason of confirmation bias. We like to believe what we want to hear. But your phrasing would certainly read nicely on those same blog-sources. . Read Erjen's posts - he's a nice snapshot of Trump's general voter block. He's not desperate, he just enjoys the notion of being the sole in-the-know force against hidden evils. Trump's "just say anything and hope something sticks" brand of campaigning fed that dynamic nicely. . CNN, for a start. Yes, which went out on a nation news network, without the most cursory of checking to push the anti Trump agenda. So where is any evidence at all from either the FBI or CIA about how Russia hacked the US election? Really? It was reported on by The Independant only last week. Yeah, I'm sure that swayed huge numbers of supporters in the Rust Belt. You got any numbers? Really? I'm reasonably certain I've stated my political beliefs and opinions repeatedly..... And your incredibly condescending attitude toward Trump voters and the working class in general wouldn't be out of place in an Antifa echo chamber. You fling out generaliations about 60,000,000 US voters and try to defend "your side" when somebody does the same back at you. Exactly the attitude that helped Trump in the first place. You lot have to get over this smug superiority. The guy cited in that article was there from May 2015. Typical of Obamas America? Wouldn't you say that conditions in the US prior to Trump lead to this kind of thing, or are you going to deny Linear time to blame Trump for something that happened six months before his election? What if it turns out the guy voted Democrat? And you're demonstrating why Clinton lost. Blame everything on the Deplorables, label everything, make no actual arguments. What was your insinuation above? I pretend to be non partizan, but basically I'm right wing? You want to lump 60m in with Erjen? Like nobody who voted Clinton was an arsehole? We saw the same with Brexit....we were all racist, blah, blah, blah, uninformed etc, etc. Yet the remainers were just as uninformed, knew nothing about what they were voting for, what the EU actually was. You had people in the US who had seen their jobs go to China and India because of Globalism with Trump promising to bring them back, while Clinton ranted at a cartoon frog, cited Milo Yiaanopolous headlines like they meant anything and called half of Republicans "deplorable" and yet people are surprised when this negative campaigning stops working. Sorry, mate, but I get pretty worked up when people are condemned on false narratives. I'm sick of the working class being labled by people who do not share their existence. Look at Britain, in working class areas people overwhelmingly reject the idea of mass immigration. Why? because it depresses wages, increases competition for unskilled jobs, decreases the availability of government services such as schools and the NHS. In five years the UK saw an increase in population of 2,400,000 due to migration, these people did not go live in Kensington and become lawers. The country has a youth unemployment rate of about 13%, but the areas that have seen the steel, coal, shipbuilding and fishing industries decimated probably just hate Polish people. Jesus Christ. Then we see some twat like JK Rowling, a woman who bought a £1,000,000 mansion and knocked it down to extend her garden, belittling people for not wanting 10s of thousands more unskilled labourers in their towns. America is no different, but you expect me to believe that the typical Trump supporter is an edgelord? Oh and the desperation thing was in response to your pyramid scheme thing. |
|
|
|
Post by cupcakes on May 19, 2017 16:15:37 GMT
Who... Maxine Waters? Any comparison between the numbers lapping up Jone's and Beck's insistence and "liberal elite" doing the same is some stretching indeed. I thought all we'd seen was a 2009 return or something? All I've seen is Maddow holding a dated document up and getting roasted by her own side for milking nothing. This gets a little silly when even Macron had to set up dummy servers to handle the influx of interference. I can guarantee you the US does what it can to interfere in foreign elections, why anyone would doubt the other side tries the same is beyond me. This story was born and died inside a month. Yet Breitbart chat sections are still filled with Pizza Gate, "trail of dead bodies" tales, and Jone's stories are still pitched despite his having admitted the whole thing was an act for ratings. Yeah, ok man. People just bought that Clinton was running a pizza shop child factory out of "desperation". You play a bit at being non-partisan but LORDY. I suspect that those on either side who willingly sought out "blog journalism" for their info believed what they did for the very simple reason of confirmation bias. We like to believe what we want to hear. But your phrasing would certainly read nicely on those same blog-sources. . Read Erjen's posts - he's a nice snapshot of Trump's general voter block. He's not desperate, he just enjoys the notion of being the sole in-the-know force against hidden evils. Trump's "just say anything and hope something sticks" brand of campaigning fed that dynamic nicely. CNN, for a start. Yes, which went out on a nation news network, without the most cursory of checking to push the anti Trump agenda. So where is any evidence at all from either the FBI or CIA about how Russia hacked the US election? Really? It was reported on by The Independant only last week. Yeah, I'm sure that swayed huge numbers of supporters in the Rust Belt. You got any numbers? Really? I'm reasonably certain I've stated my political beliefs and opinions repeatedly..... And your incredibly condescending attitude toward Trump voters and the working class in general wouldn't be out of place in an Antifa echo chamber. You fling out generaliations about 60,000,000 US voters and try to defend "your side" when somebody does the same back at you. Exactly the attitude that helped Trump in the first place. You lot have to get over this smug superiority. The guy cited in that article was there from May 2015. Typical of Obamas America? Wouldn't you say that conditions in the US prior to Trump lead to this kind of thing, or are you going to deny Linear time to blame Trump for something that happened six months before his election? What if it turns out the guy voted Democrat? And you're demonstrating why Clinton lost. Blame everything on the Deplorables, label everything, make no actual arguments. What was your insinuation above? I pretend to be non partizan, but basically I'm right wing? You want to lump 60m in with Erjen? Like nobody who voted Clinton was an arsehole? We saw the same with Brexit....we were all racist, blah, blah, blah, uninformed etc, etc. Yet the remainers were just as uninformed, knew nothing about what they were voting for, what the EU actually was. You had people in the US who had seen their jobs go to China and India because of Globalism with Trump promising to bring them back, while Clinton ranted at a cartoon frog, cited Milo Yiaanopolous headlines like they meant anything and called half of Republicans "deplorable" and yet people are surprised when this negative campaigning stops working. Sorry, mate, but I get pretty worked up when people are condemned on false narratives. I'm sick of the working class being labled by people who do not share their existence. Look at Britain, in working class areas people overwhelmingly reject the idea of mass immigration. Why? because it depresses wages, increases competition for unskilled jobs, decreases the availability of government services such as schools and the NHS. In five years the UK saw an increase in population of 2,400,000 due to migration, these people did not go live in Kensington and become lawers. The country has a youth unemployment rate of about 13%, but the areas that have seen the steel, coal, shipbuilding and fishing industries decimated probably just hate Polish people. Jesus Christ. Then we see some twat like JK Rowling, a woman who bought a £1,000,000 mansion and knocked it down to extend her garden, belittling people for not wanting 10s of thousands more unskilled labourers in their towns. America is no different, but you expect me to believe that the typical Trump supporter is an edgelord? Oh and the desperation thing was in response to your pyramid scheme thing. It's the accurate narratives that count, and the people who care little about them vs. the story they're frantically trying to sell.
This is why you consistently to offer any explanation for why certain minority are massively over represented in certain crimes. Stretch yourself and answer the following question. Is homicide more of a problem in the Black American population than the white American population? |
|
|
|
Post by scienceisgod on May 19, 2017 19:00:07 GMT
Cine:
...and what, pray tell is your data source? Scientific American, The Economist, Reuters, and BBC. |
|
|
|
Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on May 19, 2017 19:59:42 GMT
I'll agree with you there! How likely are you to be in a fire in your lifetime? Ever been in one? How often have you been ill? A few times. And I paid for it without government meddling. Really? Do you live in one of those shitholes that relies on a volunteer private fire department that will only make sure the houses next door to yours don't burn down if your house catches fire and you haven't paid your subscription? |
|
|
|
Post by Cinemachinery on May 19, 2017 20:06:12 GMT
Whereupon Maddow, known even on the left as an incredibly biased mouthpiece, got slammed by her own side. Freshman move. You do realize we're in the middle of this investigation, no? Point being given the fact that even other governments are taking "fake server" steps to avoid interference sort of speaks to the new age of online activity. The Independent would not be in "Trump's America". This seems some swipe at "I bet it didn't affect many" - fact is the two main media moutpieces for Trump readers pushed the story of Clinton involved in a child sex ring. Making passing comment on it being immaterial to the voters that read it seems silly. Not all. He snagged plenty of independents and some libertarians. But yes, he also deliberately played to and snagged the conspiracy-loving, reality-TV watching rural subset. This isn't exactly news over here.  No. This is arguing with cartoons. I've posted multiple times about the working class being his biggest victims via the dying coal industry promises. It would be hard to condescend at this point event if one wanted to, as they're becoming some of the more vocal objectors. I'd definitely say a decline in education, a distrust of research or science (as bred in the exact blogs I mentioned earlier) and the tasty "trail of dead bodies" stuff plied by the more carnival hucksters who schill for Trump has led, in large part, right to this. Combined with the sense of being fed up at corporations and banks running our government, which helped Bernie out a bit. Oddly, Trump played to fixing that whole thing with his "drain the swamp" talking point... yet he's proceeded to play to those same executives and lobbyists. Fuck, at least with Clinton you knew you were getting Citibank. Please - pointing out Trump has brought about the age of "Don't trust the research" is hardly a comment on "deplorables", as much as I think his crowd has attracted those sub-groups over here we generally consider "deplorable". Clinton lost for a host of reasons, among them no actual banner to run behind, a horribly run campaign in general, a fractured liberal party able to be swayed over the slightest stray in identity politics, etc. The Russian stuff will have to wait for results but, again, interfering in foreign elections via cyber activity only seems to have become unbelievable for this instance. Think the US doesn't do it? Part and parcel to my point. Empty stuff based on blog fluff. Similar to "bring back coal jobs". Where? How? It's a dying industry for a reason. Arguing Trump's crowd is all "the working class" is like arguing it's all "the alt-right". It's more nuanced than that. Simple fact is the distrust of science engendered by Trump et al over the simple inconvenience of its interfering with our making corporate dollars on fossil fuels, the bomb he's dropping on education reform via voucher programs, the sheer proliferation of promises he's made (Mexico will pay for it) that are based on butterfly wings and pipe dreams - it's speaks to a good portion of our populace being ripe to buy anything. Perfect weather for pyramid schemes, which generally target the poor and desperate. I do, too. I try not to let it affect my rebuttal. Whatever the case, the fact that one of the most quoted pro-Trump "pundits" just owned that his entire act was a ratings routine while another actually apologized for spreading conspiracies that helped him get elected... even as Trump tries to convince his followers that every major media outlet outside of perhaps two are part of a vast conspiracy to take him down (and they're buying it - I read those Breitbart comment sections)... sort of speaks volumes towards my point. Only rarely do you see such a vast group assembled under a banner of "Don't listen to experts, listen to what feels right" - Amway would do well to hone their mailing list. |
|
|
|
Post by scienceisgod on May 19, 2017 23:12:55 GMT
Whereupon Maddow, known even on the left as an incredibly biased mouthpiece, got slammed by her own side. Freshman move. You do realize we're in the middle of this investigation, no? Point being given the fact that even other governments are taking "fake server" steps to avoid interference sort of speaks to the new age of online activity. The Independent would not be in "Trump's America". This seems some swipe at "I bet it didn't affect many" - fact is the two main media moutpieces for Trump readers pushed the story of Clinton involved in a child sex ring. Making passing comment on it being immaterial to the voters that read it seems silly. Not all. He snagged plenty of independents and some libertarians. But yes, he also deliberately played to and snagged the conspiracy-loving, reality-TV watching rural subset. This isn't exactly news over here. No. This is arguing with cartoons. I've posted multiple times about the working class being his biggest victims via the dying coal industry promises. It would be hard to condescend at this point event if one wanted to, as they're becoming some of the more vocal objectors. I'd definitely say a decline in education, a distrust of research or science (as bred in the exact blogs I mentioned earlier) and the tasty "trail of dead bodies" stuff plied by the more carnival hucksters who schill for Trump has led, in large part, right to this. Combined with the sense of being fed up at corporations and banks running our government, which helped Bernie out a bit. Oddly, Trump played to fixing that whole thing with his "drain the swamp" talking point... yet he's proceeded to play to those same executives and lobbyists. Fuck, at least with Clinton you knew you were getting Citibank. Please - pointing out Trump has brought about the age of "Don't trust the research" is hardly a comment on "deplorables", as much as I think his crowd has attracted those sub-groups over here we generally consider "deplorable". Clinton lost for a host of reasons, among them no actual banner to run behind, a horribly run campaign in general, a fractured liberal party able to be swayed over the slightest stray in identity politics, etc. The Russian stuff will have to wait for results but, again, interfering in foreign elections via cyber activity only seems to have become unbelievable for this instance. Think the US doesn't do it? Part and parcel to my point. Empty stuff based on blog fluff. Similar to "bring back coal jobs". Where? How? It's a dying industry for a reason. Arguing Trump's crowd is all "the working class" is like arguing it's all "the alt-right". It's more nuanced than that. Simple fact is the distrust of science engendered by Trump et al over the simple inconvenience of its interfering with our making corporate dollars on fossil fuels, the bomb he's dropping on education reform via voucher programs, the sheer proliferation of promises he's made (Mexico will pay for it) that are based on butterfly wings and pipe dreams - it's speaks to a good portion of our populace being ripe to buy anything. Perfect weather for pyramid schemes, which generally target the poor and desperate. I do, too. I try not to let it affect my rebuttal. Whatever the case, the fact that one of the most quoted pro-Trump "pundits" just owned that his entire act was a ratings routine while another actually apologized for spreading conspiracies that helped him get elected... even as Trump tries to convince his followers that every major media outlet outside of perhaps two are part of a vast conspiracy to take him down (and they're buying it - I read those Breitbart comment sections)... sort of speaks volumes towards my point. Only rarely do you see such a vast group assembled under a banner of "Don't listen to experts, listen to what feels right" - Amway would do well to hone their mailing list. You called those deplorables out on their stupidity. |
|
|
|
Post by The Herald Erjen on Jun 3, 2017 8:12:14 GMT
And then you wonder why people think of you as a perfect representative of a Trump voter. The idea that "trillions of dollars were poured into the search for cheap, clean, renewable energy, and it produced nothing of use" is an utter lie. You believe it because those who make their money from oil have told you that it is true. You think you're the one in the know, but the reality is that you've been offered propaganda and you've swallowed it whole. No more, no less. If you think I'm wrong, present your case. |
|
