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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 21:54:36 GMT
Probably not. And I’m not sure it’ll work to be honest. The character has had very little development over the saga. And I’m not sure Mackie is a great lead. He’ll do fine so long as he isn’t bitching about woke issues. That will hurt the BO if he does. It will definitely be very political and deal with social issues. Which I personally don’t mind… but often times that stuff completely eclipses any character development, as was the case with Captain Marvel. Just being woke doesn’t make a good movie. You need a good character too.
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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 14, 2021 22:01:57 GMT
I actually agree with this. I don’t think of them as canon. I still doubt they’ll factor into the saga in any meaningful ways since Marvel needs general movie going audiences to know what’s going on, and cannot take for granted that they have DisneyFlix. You had a pretty valid point when you said that Flacon v Winterman was "skippable" It is. Cap gave Falcon the shield in Endgame. F&TWS purposely ended where it begun so as not to alienate viewers who didn’t see it. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 14, 2021 22:03:16 GMT
He is. If Captain Meh-vel made money then you can bet that Falcon can. Didn't Blank Window flop though? Only because it had an accompanying streaming release during a pandemic. |
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Post by Power Ranger on Sept 14, 2021 22:05:41 GMT
He’ll do fine so long as he isn’t bitching about woke issues. That will hurt the BO if he does. It will definitely be very political and deal with social issues. Which I personally don’t mind… but often times that stuff completely eclipses any character development, as was the case with Captain Marvel. Just being woke doesn’t make a good movie. You need a good character too. I’m not so sure it will be. I’m hoping that they covered all that in F&TWS so that it doesn’t need to be repeated. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 22:12:00 GMT
It will definitely be very political and deal with social issues. Which I personally don’t mind… but often times that stuff completely eclipses any character development, as was the case with Captain Marvel. Just being woke doesn’t make a good movie. You need a good character too. I’m not so sure it will be. I’m hoping that they covered all that in F&TWS so that it doesn’t need to be repeated. Possibly. I just think back on Black Widow where the third act threw all of Nat’s character development out the window in order to do a very pandering and blatant Black Widow vs Russian Harvey Weinstein instead of actually achieving any meaningful resolution to her character arc.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 14, 2021 22:31:01 GMT
Only Spiderman, WandaVision and Shang-Chi have been truly good for me so far, and WandaVision messed up its ending. What IF is decent enough I suppose but it's too inconsistent. The rest of the shows pissed me off. Loki completely character-assassinated Loki, BW is in the bottom tier of my MCU movie rankings, and TFATWS was just so much wasted potential. So yeah, I have to say I'm not too impressed so far. The D+ shows in particular are turning me off, especially since the MCU shows were the main reason I subscribed to D+. To be honest, I'm a bit worried for Thor and Dr. Strange. I have this dread that they'll character-assassinate both Thor and Dr. Strange like they did Loki, or that maybe they'll throw them to the background in order to make way for the newer band of characters like they did to Bucky and Natasha. Your enjoyment of Thor 4 will likely depend on your enjoyment of Thor 3. I personally really enjoy that version of Thor and am extremely excited to see the Thor Corps with Frog Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I don’t think Dr Strange will be overshadowed. Raimi loves the character. His second favorite after Spider-Man. The reason Loki was character assassinated was because his arc was 100% done in Infinity War and bringing him back for a series was beyond gratuitous. I enjoyed Thor 3 but there were definitely parts there that made me cringe (like Thor screaming like a girl). However, I did not appreciate their treatment of Thor in Endgame at all. Of course, Loki was still mostly handled decently in Thor 3, yet we saw what happened to him in his series. As for Dr. Strange, my main concern is that they might make him a punching bag for Wanda. We already know that Dr. Strange was removed from Wandavision because they didn't want him to steal Wanda's spotlight, I'm hoping they don't go too overboard with that line of thinking.
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 14, 2021 22:41:06 GMT
He’ll do fine so long as he isn’t bitching about woke issues. That will hurt the BO if he does. It will definitely be very political and deal with social issues. Which I personally don’t mind… but often times that stuff completely eclipses any character development, as was the case with Captain Marvel. Just being woke doesn’t make a good movie. You need a good character too. Historically, politics were injected into superhero shows/comics in order to make them more relevant and relatable, but the politics were included in a way that it still serviced the story. It enhanced the story. Nowadays the story is the one being modified in order to service the political message. The politics is now being given more priority over the story. The more they do this the more unpalatable it becomes, because a political message does not make a good story on its own and gets pretty redundant after a while. The perfect example of this is CW's Supergirl.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 14, 2021 22:57:22 GMT
I actually hope that Captain America 4 goes full political and even goes hard on racism.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 23:01:22 GMT
Your enjoyment of Thor 4 will likely depend on your enjoyment of Thor 3. I personally really enjoy that version of Thor and am extremely excited to see the Thor Corps with Frog Thor and Beta Ray Bill. I don’t think Dr Strange will be overshadowed. Raimi loves the character. His second favorite after Spider-Man. The reason Loki was character assassinated was because his arc was 100% done in Infinity War and bringing him back for a series was beyond gratuitous. I enjoyed Thor 3 but there were definitely parts there that made me cringe (like Thor screaming like a girl). However, I did not appreciate their treatment of Thor in Endgame at all. Of course, Loki was still mostly handled decently in Thor 3, yet we saw what happened to him in his series. As for Dr. Strange, my main concern is that they might make him a punching bag for Wanda. We already know that Dr. Strange was removed from Wandavision because they didn't want him to steal Wanda's spotlight, I'm hoping they don't go too overboard with that line of thinking. Well, if that ends up being true then at least she’ll make a good villain. I’m expecting her to be one of the best simply because the character is already too popular to downgrade into an after thought like they usually do with McU villains.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 23:06:09 GMT
I actually hope that Captain America 4 goes full political and even goes hard on racism. I would support that. I just hope that there’s a good story and character development to go along with those themes.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 14, 2021 23:08:11 GMT
Actually I should add that I thought Black Panther did a stellar job of balancing great social commentary and great characters/story.
I’d definitely be happy if Cap 4 is like that.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 14, 2021 23:45:02 GMT
I actually hope that Captain America 4 goes full political and even goes hard on racism. I would support that. I just hope that there’s a good story and character development to go along with those themes. #BlackFalconsMatter
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Post by Skaathar on Sept 15, 2021 0:05:48 GMT
I actually hope that Captain America 4 goes full political and even goes hard on racism. Yeah no, I'd definitely not want that. I don't mind superhero shows having political themes here and there but we already have more than enough politics in our daily lives. Making superhero blockbuster movies into full-on political platforms is going to leech the entertainment value right out of them.
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Post by onethreetwo on Sept 15, 2021 0:22:34 GMT
Really, we've seen the payoff imo. Everything after Endgame is just gravy. When the MCU is done we'll probably look at it as two pieces. The Downey Jr. era and everything after.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Sept 15, 2021 2:31:28 GMT
Really, we've seen the payoff imo. Everything after Endgame is just gravy. When the MCU is done we'll probably look at it as two pieces. The Downey Jr. era and everything after.
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Post by lenlenlen1 on Oct 27, 2021 18:33:26 GMT
Spotty. Its not clear where things are headed anymore. Not that it needs infinity gems in every after credit scene, but it should still seem to have a goal of some kind. Its what we expect from them now.
For example, are the newer character going to unite as Avengers? Or is this notion of "multiverse" just going to allow them to "do whatever they want"?
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Post by politicidal on Oct 27, 2021 19:08:26 GMT
I actually hope that Captain America 4 goes full political and even goes hard on racism. I would support that. I just hope that there’s a good story and character development to go along with those themes. Sam Wilson will face his greatest foe yet....the Hate-monger! (and yes that's canon) 
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Oct 27, 2021 19:17:50 GMT
I would support that. I just hope that there’s a good story and character development to go along with those themes. Sam Wilson will face his greatest foe yet....the Hate-monger! (and yes that's canon) Perfect antagonist for the current political climate! |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 4, 2021 16:36:08 GMT
Sam Wilson will face his greatest foe yet....the Hate-monger! (and yes that's canon) Perfect antagonist for the current political climate! 
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Post by Feologild Oakes on Nov 4, 2021 16:47:59 GMT
WandaVision - 8/10
Black Widow- 5/10
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