If you believe there’s a Heaven and you make it there…

Interesting. Could you find it, please?

At least some Christians apparently think so.  Some years back a Pennsylvania school district was shaken and in the news over a school board member who, at a closed meeting, was reported to have said to someone: "I'm a good Christian and when I die I will be up in heaven looking down at the Jews burning in hell and I will be hearing the snap, crackle and pop."

Here's a scholarly paper containing a section (Section II) on this question.  It discusses a verse in Isaiah, and how Jesus utilizes it "referring to the state of the damned. This state includes the visual sight of their punishment."
rts.edu/wp-content/uploads/2019/05/Johnson-Seeing_Hell.pdf

Kind of.

See all the musicians are in hell and their punishment is to play non stop.

People in Heaven get to watch never ending concerts of their favorite bands.  So yeah I guess they watch them suffering in hell but one gets to enjoy the music. 

Ephesians 4:4 is just one verse explaining how this works:


A few others: 
1 Corinthians 12:13


Numerous others.

It may be easier for those of us who have always been "outsiders" and never "insiders" to understand, because we've never been a part of anything, and so we see the "bodies" of those spirits joined together against those of us who stand alone.
These verses make it seem that "Hell" is indeed the choice of choosing one of these many Earthly bodies over the body of Heaven. 

So those in "Heaven" in the body of Christ see those poor suckers in the bodies of what is not Christ as they are, pitiful pathetic clowns. I doubt that we actually see from Heaven the suffering of those in Hell. We just see those clown like bodies, feeble and ugly and inept, with its members believing they are cool and handsome and strong. Those in Hell appear to be the definitive "dorks", people who think they are cool by following some new trend or fad, but actually look nerdier than nerds in doing this.

You must surely notice that those who praise demons and who praise witchcraft always claim their demons and witches are "beautiful, sexy, cool, powerful, talented, artistic, creative, witty, etc", and this is great marketing. Certainly better marketing than Christianity, which does the exact opposite. It's a miracle that Christianity survived more than one generation with its "anti marketing". 

We're "divided" into souls and spirits, and that's not a natural state. If it was a natural state, we would have more control, we'd be always satisfied, we'd be able to do more than jump less than one centillionth of the Milky Way Galaxy, a small portion of the Universe. 

So, everyone naturally wants to be a "part of something". Some are born into mob families, even if only 'local' mob families. Some are born into guilds or clubs. Some live close enough to their cousins to be a part of something. 

Even these people may want to be a part of something greater. But they latch onto whatever they're a part of. When we die, what do we latch on to?

Some want to latch on to the body of "annihilation". That's a big body, as we see here. It's a unified sect. Latching onto that is latching on to a delusion. Jesus wanted us to latch on to what wasn't a delusion. 

There are actually other cultures that said the same thing Jesus said. Is the Holy Ghost of Jesus the same spirit these other people spoke of? Probably. I don't know, but probably. When Jesus said he was the way, he was speaking to people who only knew him by name, and ironically that name wasn't even pronounced "Jesus", so since Jesus knew that, he also knew his name wasn't a "magical incantation".

Heaven is the only unity in which there is no demonic influence. Those who love demons are in the bodies of vile, pale, ugly, fat, distorted demons. Those poor suckers think their struggles mean something, and so from the view of Heaven, they look like clowns. I don't know that those "clowns" even suffer in the sense of physical suffering. More likely, they just keep reaching for cups to drink, keep pushing rocks uphill, all for nothing, with no rewards, because they chose to adhere to something delusional.

What's delusional? Whatever they pride in. Some pride themselves on Annihilation. Some pride themselves on membership in a gang, cult, mob, society, or club. Some pride themselves on being a part of a secret, but it boils down to being in a clique and believing that clique is bigger than Death."  Ever know someone who says "He's got something", or "I've got it"? That's "delusion". The closest thing I can think of in movies are the original Ocean's 11, or the Cincinnati Kid, or the Hustler or the Sting, about people who were supposed to be something special because of some inner special ability. That's the same delusionary tactic that demonic forces use.

I don't know if we see with eyes, hear with ears, or how we know what is known, because I'm not a part of anything big here. 


So, in summary, in Heaven, being in the body of Truth, however you sense, by sight or whatever, you sense those in the bodies of Hell as being those same creatures who already proved they would never allow you any credibility or any positive role in anything, because they proved they believe they were superior to you, and you could never join them, so you would feel foolish to invite them in to corrupt your body of those who were true and loving. Those spirits were not just spirits who made innocent errors. They were spirits who were determined to sabotage your spirit and make your life a Hell. But now, they are powerless clowns.

I'm trying to find what you think you may have already found, but I'm not having much luck. Thanks anyway.

Two attempts at life, then? Do we get to try until we get it right? I'm just saying that if you get more than one chance, why not splurge a little bit? Is there some other reason you might not want to open fire in a crowded movie theater?