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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 16:50:40 GMT
You guys remember the “good old days” on this board when the hardcore MCU fanboys would attack anyone with a negative opinion? Good times. Yeah well, I used to be of the opinion that there was no bad MCU product. That even the worst MCU outing was still far better than the average blockbuster. It's getting harder and harder to defend that stance now with these Phase 4 projects. Yeah, but you never flew off the handle defending it against even the slightest negative comment. There used to be a few vocal posters here who did that regularly. I was just thinking what it would be like if they showed up in this thread.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 20, 2022 16:57:35 GMT
Yeah well, I used to be of the opinion that there was no bad MCU product. That even the worst MCU outing was still far better than the average blockbuster. It's getting harder and harder to defend that stance now with these Phase 4 projects. Yeah, but you never flew off the handle defending it against even the slightest negative comment. There used to be a few vocal posters here who did that regularly. I was just thinking what it would be like if they showed up in this thread. Hah! That's true. I wonder if those guys still hold the same undying opinions with these D+ shows.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 16:59:02 GMT
Yeah, but you never flew off the handle defending it against even the slightest negative comment. There used to be a few vocal posters here who did that regularly. I was just thinking what it would be like if they showed up in this thread. Hah! That's true. I wonder if those guys still hold the same undying opinions with these D+ shows. Trust me. They do. I post alongside a few on another site. They recently gave me hell when I dared to say Obi Wan wasn’t well received.
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Post by Marv on Jun 20, 2022 20:47:31 GMT
Hah! That's true. I wonder if those guys still hold the same undying opinions with these D+ shows. Trust me. They do. I post alongside a few on another site. They recently gave me hell when I dared to say Obi Wan wasn’t well received. To be fair you said... To which none of the actual numbers support. I think that's all they were trying to say. But I will also acknowledge that the out of 10 rating chart is broken for most people. 5 out of 10 should be average...but people apply their school grades to these numbers and tend to consider anything below a 7 a failure. All because you failed if you got a 69% on that math test in 8th grade and had to have your mom sign it and do extra credit with Sister Mary Magdoline in order to bring it up to a passing 75%. But anything out of 10 should be applied logically. 5 being average, 7 above average, 10 perfection, etc.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 21:46:34 GMT
Trust me. They do. I post alongside a few on another site. They recently gave me hell when I dared to say Obi Wan wasn’t well received. To be fair you said... To which none of the actual numbers support. I think that's all they were trying to say. But I will also acknowledge that the out of 10 rating chart is broken for most people. 5 out of 10 should be average...but people apply their school grades to these numbers and tend to consider anything below a 7 a failure. All because you failed if you got a 69% on that math test in 8th grade and had to have your mom sign it and do extra credit with Sister Mary Magdoline in order to bring it up to a passing 75%. But anything out of 10 should be applied logically. 5 being average, 7 above average, 10 perfection, etc. That was only part of what I said though. Not the main point, which was conveniently ignored. My main point was that it is perfectly okay to like something that (maybe) the majority does not. I even used my own feelings towards the prequels as an example. Let’s be honest though: Obi Wan is not universally loved. That’s not a controversial statement.
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Post by Marv on Jun 20, 2022 22:36:49 GMT
To be fair you said... To which none of the actual numbers support. I think that's all they were trying to say. But I will also acknowledge that the out of 10 rating chart is broken for most people. 5 out of 10 should be average...but people apply their school grades to these numbers and tend to consider anything below a 7 a failure. All because you failed if you got a 69% on that math test in 8th grade and had to have your mom sign it and do extra credit with Sister Mary Magdoline in order to bring it up to a passing 75%. But anything out of 10 should be applied logically. 5 being average, 7 above average, 10 perfection, etc. That was only part of what I said though. Not the main point, which was conveniently ignored. My main point was that it is perfectly okay to like something that (maybe) the majority does not. I even used my own feelings towards the prequels as an example. Let’s be honest though: Obi Wan is not universally loved. That’s not a controversial statement. But that was the point being argued. "overwhelmingly and undeniably negative" was the crux of the whole argument. If you have said 'mixed' I don't think anyone would have second guessed it. The point of liking something regardless of its popularity I agree with. But that wasn't being argued. The point being argued was what you stated above, of which there's no real evidence of. Nobody was stating it was universally loved.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 22:44:08 GMT
That was only part of what I said though. Not the main point, which was conveniently ignored. My main point was that it is perfectly okay to like something that (maybe) the majority does not. I even used my own feelings towards the prequels as an example. Let’s be honest though: Obi Wan is not universally loved. That’s not a controversial statement. But that was the point being argued. "overwhelmingly and undeniably negative" was the crux of the whole argument. If you have said 'mixed' I don't think anyone would have second guessed it. The point of liking something regardless of its popularity I agree with. But that wasn't being argued. The point being argued was what you stated above, of which there's no real evidence of. Nobody was stating it was universally loved. Look, I don’t want to say anything bad about anyone. I like those guys. But my comment was not all that controversial and yet it created a mini shit show. Perhaps I overstated things a bit in regard to the fan reception. But it probably would’ve gotten the same response no matter how mildly I put it. The narrative was “blame the fans. The originals sucked too. And so on.” My pushback on that was pretty mild. I may as well have just been honest and said that Obi Wan is a god damn train wreck.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 22:55:43 GMT
That was only part of what I said though. Not the main point, which was conveniently ignored. My main point was that it is perfectly okay to like something that (maybe) the majority does not. I even used my own feelings towards the prequels as an example. Let’s be honest though: Obi Wan is not universally loved. That’s not a controversial statement. But that was the point being argued. "overwhelmingly and undeniably negative" was the crux of the whole argument. If you have said 'mixed' I don't think anyone would have second guessed it. The point of liking something regardless of its popularity I agree with. But that wasn't being argued. The point being argued was what you stated above, of which there's no real evidence of. Nobody was stating it was universally loved. Also, one of the replies I got was “You don’t get to have an opinion!” I mean… that’s some bullshit. LOL
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Post by Marv on Jun 20, 2022 23:03:14 GMT
But that was the point being argued. "overwhelmingly and undeniably negative" was the crux of the whole argument. If you have said 'mixed' I don't think anyone would have second guessed it. The point of liking something regardless of its popularity I agree with. But that wasn't being argued. The point being argued was what you stated above, of which there's no real evidence of. Nobody was stating it was universally loved. Also, one of the replies I got was “You don’t get to have an opinion!” I mean… that’s some bullshit. LOL I'm not going to say you can't have an opinion...but it was said with the notion that you haven't even watched the show. Just asking...have you watched the show?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 20, 2022 23:08:09 GMT
Also, one of the replies I got was “You don’t get to have an opinion!” I mean… that’s some bullshit. LOL I'm not going to say you can't have an opinion...but it was said with the notion that you haven't even watched the show. Just asking...have you watched the show? First episode. Plus a few full scenes/clips. Honestly: I found it to be appallingly bad. But I’m not looking to trash anyone’s opinion. It’s perfectly okay to like it. And that was really the point I was trying to make. Fan reaction is very negative. Even Reddit Star Wars pages are filled with disappointment. So the whole “what’s wrong with the fans” angle is a little tiresome. I was merely saying it’s ok to like it without pretending all those fans are “wrong.” Honestly, your reply to my post in that thread was very respectful, composed and articulate. You clearly understood I meant no offense.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 21, 2022 3:32:10 GMT
I dropped it after episode 1. I'll keep an eye on this thread to see if there are any interesting cameos or whatever, otherwise I'm out. So... Ms. Marvel or Ironfist. Which do you prefer?
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Post by Deleted on Jun 21, 2022 6:20:27 GMT
I dropped it after episode 1. I'll keep an eye on this thread to see if there are any interesting cameos or whatever, otherwise I'm out. So... Ms. Marvel or Ironfist. Which do you prefer? Combine them both into Ms. Ironfist! Sounds like an X Rated girl on girl movie, doesn’t it?
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 21, 2022 6:46:08 GMT
I tried watching it again and then turned it off when Kamala’s parents blamed Britain for the partition of India and the Bangladesh Liberation war.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jun 21, 2022 11:08:35 GMT
Do you like how the conservative Pakistani Muslim family are totally cool with their daughter hanging out with a white boy? That’s totally normal based on Pakistanis who I know LOL.
And the Pakistani parents who are totally accepting of an African daughter-in-law because of cause they would be, duh!
It’s a romanticized view of a conservative Pakistani family. They attend mosque but aren’t tribal in the slightest.
And the Bangladesh/ Pakistan civil war ? Oh that’s solely Britain’s fault.
I know that making such a series involves navigating a minefield. So it’s very difficult for them to please everybody. But I’m just saying that there is a clear bias from the writers here, bordering on propaganda.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jun 21, 2022 13:23:59 GMT
I dropped it after episode 1. I'll keep an eye on this thread to see if there are any interesting cameos or whatever, otherwise I'm out. So... Ms. Marvel or Ironfist. Which do you prefer? Iron Fist is actually an interesting show if you focus on the supporting characters instead of him. Everyone on Ms. Marvel annoyed me, though I've only seen one episode. Maybe I'll pick it back up when I can watch a couple of episodes at a time.
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Post by Marv on Jun 21, 2022 16:09:17 GMT
Do you like how the conservative Pakistani Muslim family are totally cool with their daughter hanging out with a white boy? That’s totally normal based on Pakistanis who I know LOL. And the Pakistani parents who are totally accepting of an African daughter-in-law because of cause they would be, duh! It’s a romanticized view of a conservative Pakistani family. They attend mosque but aren’t tribal in the slightest. And the Bangladesh/ Pakistan civil war ? Oh that’s solely Britain’s fault. I know that making such a series involves navigating a minefield. So it’s very difficult for them to please everybody. But I’m just saying that there is a clear bias from the writers here, bordering on propaganda. Is this family conservative? They seem like a pretty normal family to me. Or are you saying there are no Muslim Pakistani families in America that would ever be as racially acceptable as this family has shown to be? I don’t personally know any so I can’t comment on how realistic that concept is…but all I’ll say is shows, especially ones geared toward younger audiences, often had messages of equality and acceptance woven into their dna to presumably show a more ideal world than perhaps the one we currently live in. A lighthearted teenage superhero show like Ms Marvel probably doesn’t want to get too heavy on that kind of stuff. Just my best guess.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 21, 2022 16:27:50 GMT
Do you like how the conservative Pakistani Muslim family are totally cool with their daughter hanging out with a white boy? That’s totally normal based on Pakistanis who I know LOL. And the Pakistani parents who are totally accepting of an African daughter-in-law because of cause they would be, duh! It’s a romanticized view of a conservative Pakistani family. They attend mosque but aren’t tribal in the slightest. And the Bangladesh/ Pakistan civil war ? Oh that’s solely Britain’s fault. I know that making such a series involves navigating a minefield. So it’s very difficult for them to please everybody. But I’m just saying that there is a clear bias from the writers here, bordering on propaganda. The few Islamic friends I have weren't that happy with this show's depiction of Islamic culture or religion. They got a laugh out of a few references to their culture but overall they felt it was a bit too disrespectful and misrepresentative. Then again, these are just a handful of my friends, but I felt the same way about Turning Red and its depiction of East Asian culture. It's like they're following some kind of Hollywood stereotype of what these cultures are, dial it up to 11 to show just how backwards they are, then use it as either a constant punchline in the show or the main antagonist the lead needs to overcome. It IS quite disrespectful and misrepresentative. On a side note, it's kind of weird that Kamala's mom would absolutely not allow her daughter to attend Avengerscon but for some reason is perfectly fine with her going to a highschool night-time house party.
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Post by Marv on Jun 21, 2022 16:54:15 GMT
Do you like how the conservative Pakistani Muslim family are totally cool with their daughter hanging out with a white boy? That’s totally normal based on Pakistanis who I know LOL. And the Pakistani parents who are totally accepting of an African daughter-in-law because of cause they would be, duh! It’s a romanticized view of a conservative Pakistani family. They attend mosque but aren’t tribal in the slightest. And the Bangladesh/ Pakistan civil war ? Oh that’s solely Britain’s fault. I know that making such a series involves navigating a minefield. So it’s very difficult for them to please everybody. But I’m just saying that there is a clear bias from the writers here, bordering on propaganda. The few Islamic friends I have weren't that happy with this show's depiction of Islamic culture or religion. They got a laugh out of a few references to their culture but overall they felt it was a bit too disrespectful and misrepresentative. Then again, these are just a handful of my friends, but I felt the same way about Turning Red and its depiction of East Asian culture. It's like they're following some kind of Hollywood stereotype of what these cultures are, dial it up to 11 to show just how backwards they are, then use it as either a constant punchline in the show or the main antagonist the lead needs to overcome. It IS quite disrespectful and misrepresentative. On a side note, it's kind of weird that Kamala's mom would absolutely not allow her daughter to attend Avengerscon but for some reason is perfectly fine with her going to a highschool night-time house party. Kamala didn't mention it would be a house party with booze and kids jumping off roofs. She worded it like it was a few people hanging out and she'd be home at 9. This is also after Kamalas previous attempt to do her own thing, sneak out of the house and come home way past curfew. It's quite logical the mom was compromising here in the hope that if she lets Kamala go to things like this at least she won't be sneaking out and she'll probably be home on time.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 21, 2022 17:28:39 GMT
The few Islamic friends I have weren't that happy with this show's depiction of Islamic culture or religion. They got a laugh out of a few references to their culture but overall they felt it was a bit too disrespectful and misrepresentative. Then again, these are just a handful of my friends, but I felt the same way about Turning Red and its depiction of East Asian culture. It's like they're following some kind of Hollywood stereotype of what these cultures are, dial it up to 11 to show just how backwards they are, then use it as either a constant punchline in the show or the main antagonist the lead needs to overcome. It IS quite disrespectful and misrepresentative. On a side note, it's kind of weird that Kamala's mom would absolutely not allow her daughter to attend Avengerscon but for some reason is perfectly fine with her going to a highschool night-time house party. Kamala didn't mention it would be a house party with booze and kids jumping off roofs. She worded it like it was a few people hanging out and she'd be home at 9. This is also after Kamalas previous attempt to do her own thing, sneak out of the house and come home way past curfew. It's quite logical the mom was compromising here in the hope that if she lets Kamala go to things like this at least she won't be sneaking out and she'll probably be home on time. Yeah, but she's asking to go hang over at a friend's place with "some other people". Considering how suspicious her mom was about Avengerscon it looked completely inconsistent that she didn't ask any follow up questions about this "party". Most parents (even those not super conservative) would at least ask who else was there, or whether the parents were around, or how many people were going, etc. And all this was after the fact that Kamala had already once broken curfew/house rules and ran away to Avengerscon despite being told not to. If the Khan's are as conservative as this show is making them out to be, what would follow is probably Kamala getting grounded at minimum. That the mom is just so perfectly fine letting her go to this party right after that is proof of the weak writing in this series. They basically allow things to happen just to get stuff rolling even if it means writing inconsistently stupid stuff.
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Post by Marv on Jun 21, 2022 18:02:20 GMT
Kamala didn't mention it would be a house party with booze and kids jumping off roofs. She worded it like it was a few people hanging out and she'd be home at 9. This is also after Kamalas previous attempt to do her own thing, sneak out of the house and come home way past curfew. It's quite logical the mom was compromising here in the hope that if she lets Kamala go to things like this at least she won't be sneaking out and she'll probably be home on time. Yeah, but she's asking to go hang over at a friend's place with "some other people". Considering how suspicious her mom was about Avengerscon it looked completely inconsistent that she didn't ask any follow up questions about this "party". Most parents (even those not super conservative) would at least ask who else was there, or whether the parents were around, or how many people were going, etc. And all this was after the fact that Kamala had already once broken curfew/house rules and ran away to Avengerscon despite being told not to. If the Khan's are as conservative as this show is making them out to be, what would follow is probably Kamala getting grounded at minimum. That the mom is just so perfectly fine letting her go to this party right after that is proof of the weak writing in this series. They basically allow things to happen just to get stuff rolling even if it means writing inconsistently stupid stuff. I don't find it inconsistent at all. Theres a big difference between a convention event where Kamala planned on being dressed in a skin tight outfit to going over a friends house and being home at 9. Also Kamala was going to be allowed to go to Avengercon but her parent wanted to go with her, proving that they were already trying to compromise. It's something Im sure most parents of teenagers deal with. The teens wanting to go out and do their own things and the parents trying to protect them from anything they view as potentially dangerous. I still ask though...are the Khans really that conservative? To me they feel like a pretty normal protective yet loving parents of a teenage girl. Its a family dynamic that is very common in teen comedies and dramas.
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