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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2022 15:56:34 GMT
Oh FFS, stop talking about the British. Now it’s Kamala’s grandma, blaming the British for the separation of India and Pakistan. I get it. You can safely lay the blame on colonial Britain for anything. But they are really beating us over the head with it. Mind you, if this series is trying to be quintessentially Pakistani, it gets right the pre-occupation with India. Only it’s a fantasy to suggest that the two countries want to be or should be united. That part is pure propaganda. On my fb feed, I'm seeing quite a number of Pakistanis complaining about the latest episode, saying that it feels pro-India and anti-Pakistan, especially the way they portray that divide. I know jack-sh*t about it, but I did find this information a bit interesting if true. Why would the MCU make a show about a Pakistani superhero be more pro-Indian than pro-Pakistan?
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 2, 2022 18:06:08 GMT
Oh FFS, stop talking about the British. Now it’s Kamala’s grandma, blaming the British for the separation of India and Pakistan. I get it. You can safely lay the blame on colonial Britain for anything. But they are really beating us over the head with it. Mind you, if this series is trying to be quintessentially Pakistani, it gets right the pre-occupation with India. Only it’s a fantasy to suggest that the two countries want to be or should be united. That part is pure propaganda. On my fb feed, I'm seeing quite a number of Pakistanis complaining about the latest episode, saying that it feels pro-India and anti-Pakistan, especially the way they portray that divide. I know jack-sh*t about it, but I did find this information a bit interesting if true. Why would the MCU make a show about a Pakistani superhero be more pro-Indian than pro-Pakistan? It was probably written by liberal Pakistanis, who don’t feel such disdain for India. The average Pakistani though would have a different opinion. That’s my guess.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 2, 2022 20:14:20 GMT
On my fb feed, I'm seeing quite a number of Pakistanis complaining about the latest episode, saying that it feels pro-India and anti-Pakistan, especially the way they portray that divide. I know jack-sh*t about it, but I did find this information a bit interesting if true. Why would the MCU make a show about a Pakistani superhero be more pro-Indian than pro-Pakistan? It was probably written by liberal Pakistanis, who don’t feel such disdain for India. The average Pakistani though would have a different opinion. That’s my guess. That sounds pretty similar to Shang-Chi which resonated more (and seemed like it was written more) for ABC's (American-born Chinese) than it did for mainland Chinese. I wonder if there was an equal divide on Black Panther between African-Americans vs. African-Africans.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 6, 2022 13:12:56 GMT
I’m trying to get though Ms. Marvel but episode 5 will be a slog. I watch it in small increments until it forces me to take a break and sigh.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 6, 2022 17:15:41 GMT
With how rushed this episode was and the fact that the final episode is next week, I can't help but wonder if this would have been better as a movie.
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Post by Marv on Jul 6, 2022 19:35:14 GMT
Episodes 4 and 5 really sacrificed the charm of the first 3 episodes in order to establish some emotional family history and it didn't really work for me. Im ok with it...but it's just not as entertaining. I do enjoy the building of her costume and that shes come out to her mother and grandmother. Kamron getting powers is fine. The establishment of her supporting cast has been fine. You can see all the pieces in place if she needs assistance. The villains are about as poorly written as any villain in the MCU tho and they just felt forced into the story in order to have Kamala fight someone. They did nothing for me in the end.
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 7, 2022 7:34:26 GMT
This latest episode makes me wonder if the people behind this show have any idea what they're doing.
This kind of background-exposition-dump is something you do in the middle of the series, not at the 2nd to the last episode.
As it is, this show is heading into the final episode with absolutely zero build-up or tension.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 7, 2022 15:07:52 GMT
This latest episode makes me wonder if the people behind this show have any idea what they're doing. This kind of background-exposition-dump is something you do in the middle of the series, not at the 2nd to the last episode. As it is, this show is heading into the final episode with absolutely zero build-up or tension. Sounds like Moon Knight.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 7, 2022 15:42:37 GMT
Viewers better find the partition of India intriguing or else you’re a bigot.
Seriously I wanted an urban vigilante series. Like what I wanted with Moon Knight. And even with this being Ms Marvel I would have accepted it being kid-friendly and focused around teenagers and high school. But noooooooo. It had to be a treatise on the history of Pakistan. I’m sure the filmmakers and the Disney execs feel better about themselves but I think that a better cultural awareness campaign would have been on creating a decent product instead of lecturing us. A few Desis may have a cult appreciation for this but I’m sure that most of them would have preferred a universally loved character whose cultural background was the background context, and not the substance of the plot.
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Post by CrepedCrusader on Jul 7, 2022 16:14:02 GMT
Episode 4 was terrible, IMO, but episode 5 was pretty good.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 13, 2022 17:16:51 GMT
Well episode 6 was better than the previous two.
Overall this was an okay series. I still think it should have been a film since there's nothing in this that leaves me to believe it needed to be a series.
It was cool to see Brie Larson make an appearence at the end as well.
Bruno comment about finding a mutation in Kamala DNA makes me think they're making her a Mutant.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2022 19:34:34 GMT
Never seen it. But I just read about the post credit scene. I wonder if that’s a scene from the Marvels movie inserted in here?
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 13, 2022 20:34:14 GMT
The last episode is more action-packed than pretty much all the previous episodes combined, so that's a good thing. Not saying the last episode is actually action-packed, just that the previous episodes all had so little action that it was a low bar easily surpassed.
Still, there was quite a lot of stupid happening in this episode. How does Kamala go from being in Pakistan to back in New Jersey within what seems only a few minutes in between? How do her friends go from being handcuffed in the back of a police van in one scene to running out and hugging her in the next? A mob of people praise Kamala for saving them from harm when the only reason they were in harm in the first place is because they rubbernecked and chose to watch Kamala fighting it out with shady goverment guys? Had they stayed back like they were told to do, Kamala wouldn't have needed to save them from collateral damage.
Also a note on the lead actress. Originally I felt like she was pretty talented (acting wise) based on her performance in the first few episodes, but as the show progressed and she was asked to act out more complicated scenes, she started to feel quite lacking. She's good at playing the adorkable teenage girl who's just trying to get along with her frustrating teenage life, but when she's asked to do heavier scenes with more drama or intensity then she comes off pretty bland and unconvincing. Kamran and Nakia are not the much better. Surprisingly, it's Bruno who's the best actor among the young ones.
Most importantly though, this series did something that I don't believe I've ever seen another show do before. It killed off its main villain and wrapped up its main storyline in the 2nd to the last episode. The final episode basically dealt with the henchmen and side characters. It would be like if Loki and the Chitauri were killed off early in Avengers with little to no action, and the last 20 minutes were used to mop up Justin Hammer and his cronies and that's where they put all the action in.
Who the f*ck writes this stuff?!
As much as I'm not a fan of Captain Marvel (Larson), I'm now wishing she was actually given a 2nd solo movie instead of having to team up with Kamala.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 14, 2022 13:25:51 GMT
Well episode 6 was better than the previous two. Overall this was an okay series. I still think it should have been a film since there's nothing in this that leaves me to believe it needed to be a series. It was cool to see Brie Larson make an appearence at the end as well. Bruno comment about finding a mutation in Kamala DNA makes me think they're making her a Mutant. And when she was told that the music from the 90s X-Men cartoon played so yeah, not so subtle.
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Post by Power Ranger on Jul 14, 2022 13:30:25 GMT
The last episode is more action-packed than pretty much all the previous episodes combined, so that's a good thing. Not saying the last episode is actually action-packed, just that the previous episodes all had so little action that it was a low bar easily surpassed. Still, there was quite a lot of stupid happening in this episode. How does Kamala go from being in Pakistan to back in New Jersey within what seems only a few minutes in between? How do her friends go from being handcuffed in the back of a police van in one scene to running out and hugging her in the next? A mob of people praise Kamala for saving them from harm when the only reason they were in harm in the first place is because they rubbernecked and chose to watch Kamala fighting it out with shady goverment guys? Had they stayed back like they were told to do, Kamala wouldn't have needed to save them from collateral damage. Also a note on the lead actress. Originally I felt like she was pretty talented (acting wise) based on her performance in the first few episodes, but as the show progressed and she was asked to act out more complicated scenes, she started to feel quite lacking. She's good at playing the adorkable teenage girl who's just trying to get along with her frustrating teenage life, but when she's asked to do heavier scenes with more drama or intensity then she comes off pretty bland and unconvincing. Kamran and Nakia are not the much better. Surprisingly, it's Bruno who's the best actor among the young ones. Most importantly though, this series did something that I don't believe I've ever seen another show do before. It killed off its main villain and wrapped up its main storyline in the 2nd to the last episode. The final episode basically dealt with the henchmen and side characters. It would be like if Loki and the Chitauri were killed off early in Avengers with little to no action, and the last 20 minutes were used to mop up Justin Hammer and his cronies and that's where they put all the action in. Who the f*ck writes this stuff?! As much as I'm not a fan of Captain Marvel (Larson), I'm now wishing she was actually given a 2nd solo movie instead of having to team up with Kamala. I had to fast forward through much of the last episode. And the second last one I couldn’t watch to the end. It was really bad. Still no worse than the other MCU shows. Falcon and the Winter Soldier could have been ok but it’s woke politics in the final episode completely ruined it. Cap telling a senator that the blip refugees should stay was nothing other than extreme left wing propaganda and didn’t belong in a Captain America show.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 15, 2022 20:00:18 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 15, 2022 20:58:58 GMT
The last episode is more action-packed than pretty much all the previous episodes combined, so that's a good thing. Not saying the last episode is actually action-packed, just that the previous episodes all had so little action that it was a low bar easily surpassed. Still, there was quite a lot of stupid happening in this episode. How does Kamala go from being in Pakistan to back in New Jersey within what seems only a few minutes in between? How do her friends go from being handcuffed in the back of a police van in one scene to running out and hugging her in the next? A mob of people praise Kamala for saving them from harm when the only reason they were in harm in the first place is because they rubbernecked and chose to watch Kamala fighting it out with shady goverment guys? Had they stayed back like they were told to do, Kamala wouldn't have needed to save them from collateral damage. Also a note on the lead actress. Originally I felt like she was pretty talented (acting wise) based on her performance in the first few episodes, but as the show progressed and she was asked to act out more complicated scenes, she started to feel quite lacking. She's good at playing the adorkable teenage girl who's just trying to get along with her frustrating teenage life, but when she's asked to do heavier scenes with more drama or intensity then she comes off pretty bland and unconvincing. Kamran and Nakia are not the much better. Surprisingly, it's Bruno who's the best actor among the young ones. Most importantly though, this series did something that I don't believe I've ever seen another show do before. It killed off its main villain and wrapped up its main storyline in the 2nd to the last episode. The final episode basically dealt with the henchmen and side characters. It would be like if Loki and the Chitauri were killed off early in Avengers with little to no action, and the last 20 minutes were used to mop up Justin Hammer and his cronies and that's where they put all the action in. Who the f*ck writes this stuff?! As much as I'm not a fan of Captain Marvel (Larson), I'm now wishing she was actually given a 2nd solo movie instead of having to team up with Kamala. I had to fast forward through much of the last episode. And the second last one I couldn’t watch to the end. It was really bad. Still no worse than the other MCU shows. Falcon and the Winter Soldier could have been ok but it’s woke politics in the final episode completely ruined it. Cap telling a senator that the blip refugees should stay was nothing other than extreme left wing propaganda and didn’t belong in a Captain America show. Nah, I've had my issues with the rest of the D+ MCU shows but Ms. Marvel still goes to the bottom of the list. It's purely icing and no cake. At least the others had a bit more meat to their stories.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 15, 2022 23:50:13 GMT
"We've been talking about it for some time,” Amanat states of connecting Kamala’s story to the mythology of mutants. “Here's a really important thing that people do not know – when we were thinking about the character of Kamala back, back, back in the day in 2012, 2013, when [G.] Willow [Wilson, comic book writer] and myself were ideating, we originally wanted to make her a mutant. That was the whole intention, to be able to do that.” In the series, they were able to get back to that initial idea. “Is she a mutant, question mark?” asks Amanat self-reflexively, tip-toeing around the reveal with the Marvel police potentially listening in. “I don't know. I don't know, guys! All I know is that we use the word 'mutation', and that's all I can say.” Whatever it means for Kamala’s own story, it is a hint of bigger things to come in the MCU. “I will say, I think this is opening up doors for a lot of great storytelling, obviously, as a huge fan, um... of the word 'mutation’,” she laughs. “I’m really happy about it.” www.empireonline.com/tv/news/ms-marvel-finale-reveal-sana-amanat-interview-exclusive/
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Post by Skaathar on Jul 20, 2022 15:37:57 GMT
I just realized something: Ms. Marvel is a Mary Sue.
Not in the Rey kind of way but rather in the Bella Swan kind of way.
Despite Kamala being depicted as an awkward, socially unpopular girl, guys keep falling in love with her without her needing to do anything. One of whom is an incredible genius, one is secret assassin, one is the cool new guy in school that everyone is crushing over - and he even allows her to drive his car. The most popular girl in school is nice and polite to Kamala in the beginning and by the end is worshipping her as her hero. In fact by the end of the movie everybody loves Kamala, despite her only having done minimal superheroics for the community.
She's shown initially struggling and trying to learn her powers yet she's always able to use it in just the right way to accomplish her goals, and she does so with usually very little injury or discomfort to her in the end. Heck, she defeated the main villain by simply talking to her.
She's shown to have conflict with her conservative parents, yet if you noticed it's always her parents who approach her later on to try and smooth waters. It's never her who needs to try and win back her parents' trust even after all the times she does something that goes against their wishes.
So on the outside, Kamala seems like there's no way she can be a Mary Sue. She's awkward, isn't a master of her powers, doesn't seem invincible or anything. Yet her universe seems to adjust itself to her needs so that she easily cruises by her challenges without much difficulty and in the end garners love and adoration from everyone with minimal effort from her.
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