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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Jul 27, 2023 23:46:09 GMT
This is the end of the Pac. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah are going to plead with the Big 12 to take them. No longer looking like the bad guy for destroying the Pac 12, Big 10 will throw the lifeline out for Oregon and Washington. Oregon State and Washington State will slink off to the Mountain West. Cal and Stanford will do something (disband football and join the Big West? go down to IAA and play the Ivys? become the 21st century University of Chicago?). That is some of the worst commissionering ever. I still like my idea of a draft. After the title game, the commissioners of the Power 5 get together and draft school for that season and that season only. Each school gets one game of their own, the preserve Ohio State-Michigan, Alabama-Auburn etc. Then they pick. If Georgia is in the SEC one year and the PAC the next so be it. In fact, geographical consideration don't matter (like they won't when USC and Rutgers are in the same conference). Piss on travel costs, these big programs print money. And, oh yeah, the Power 5 become a league unto itself. No more outside games, like Alabama-Chattanooga or Michigan-Bowling Green.
The current system clearly isn't working
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Post by twothousandonemark on Jul 28, 2023 0:22:53 GMT
This is the end of the Pac. Arizona, Arizona State, and Utah are going to plead with the Big 12 to take them. No longer looking like the bad guy for destroying the Pac 12, Big 10 will throw the lifeline out for Oregon and Washington. Oregon State and Washington State will slink off to the Mountain West. Cal and Stanford will do something (disband football and join the Big West? go down to IAA and play the Ivys? become the 21st century University of Chicago?). That is some of the worst commissionering ever. I still like my idea of a draft. After the title game, the commissioners of the Power 5 get together and draft school for that season and that season only. Each school gets one game of their own, the preserve Ohio State-Michigan, Alabama-Auburn etc. Then they pick. If Georgia is in the SEC one year and the PAC the next so be it. In fact, geographical consideration don't matter (like they won't when USC and Rutgers are in the same conference). Piss on travel costs, these big programs print money. And, oh yeah, the Power 5 become a league unto itself. No more outside games, like Alabama-Chattanooga or Michigan-Bowling Green.
The current system clearly isn't working Or even a Champions League style schedule for top 50 teams. It's inevitable geography is out the window for these greaseheads, might as well go the full 9.
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Post by nutsberryfarm 🏜 on Aug 1, 2023 17:31:09 GMT
Arizona to the big 12?
PAC 12 is toast.
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Post by sdm3 on Aug 1, 2023 18:05:07 GMT
Didn't work out perfectly (one 3-team and two 5-team divisions), but:
Lombardi Division (5+ titles) Pittsburgh Steelers New England Patriots Dallas Cowboys San Francisco 49ers
Walsh Division (3-4 titles) Green Bay Packers New York Giants Kansas City Chiefs Las Vegas Raiders Washington Commanders
Parcells Division (2 titles) Baltimore Ravens Indianapolis Colts Los Angeles Rams Tampa Bay Buccaneers
Reeves Division (lost more Super Bowls than they won) Denver Broncos Miami Dolphins Philadelphia Eagles Seattle Seahawks
Madden Division (1 title) Chicago Bears New Orleans Saints New York Jets
Grant Division (no SB wins in multiple attempts) Minnesota Vikings Buffalo Bills Cincinnati Bengals Atlanta Falcons Carolina Panthers
Allen Division (lost their only SB) Arizona Cardinals Los Angeles Chargers Tennessee Titans
Coryell Division (no SB trips) Houston Texans Jacksonville Jaguars Cleveland Browns Detroit Lions
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 2, 2023 22:07:30 GMT
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Post by NJtoTX on Aug 2, 2023 23:33:42 GMT
What a mess.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 2, 2023 23:56:26 GMT
If I live another 5000 years, I will still think "ACC" when I think of the Maryland Terps
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Post by NJtoTX on Aug 3, 2023 0:18:38 GMT
If I live another 5000 years, I will still think "ACC" when I think of the Maryland Terps I would fail a quiz. Are Syracuse and UConn still ACC?
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 3, 2023 1:26:06 GMT
If I live another 5000 years, I will still think "ACC" when I think of the Maryland Terps I would fail a quiz. Are Syracuse and UConn still ACC? The Cuse is ACC. UConn is Big East in basketball, independent in football
For now...
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 3, 2023 2:08:54 GMT
There'll be a federal intervention on this by 2030... at the end of the day, it's collegiate sports, & making an economic mockery of that has got to have a breaking point.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 3, 2023 2:21:22 GMT
There'll be a federal intervention on this by 2030... at the end of the day, it's collegiate sports, & making an economic mockery of that has got to have a breaking point. I still think the other sports will bring a degree of sanity. We all know that football rules the universe. Football brings in more cash than all the other varsity sports combined at a Power 5 school. But these schools still have to fund the other sports. Will the big shots at Rutgers love hearing they have to foot the bill to send the woman's gymnastic team to LA to meet USC? Has the ACC school envisioned the costs of sending the Miami Lacrosse team to play Washington State? These superconferences might look yummy from September to December, but will they look so good when travel cost start to nickel and dime the athletic departments to death? The Big 10 could split into two divisions, all but separate, but travel costs from Iowa and Nebraska to non-cash cow sports aren't much better.
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Post by tristramshandy on Aug 3, 2023 15:03:42 GMT
If I live another 5000 years, I will still think "ACC" when I think of the Maryland Terps
Maryland fans seem to be very happy with the Big Ten. They have a lot of disdain for Duke/North Carolina/Virginia.
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Post by tristramshandy on Aug 3, 2023 15:11:21 GMT
There'll be a federal intervention on this by 2030... at the end of the day, it's collegiate sports, & making an economic mockery of that has got to have a breaking point. But they are using it for the economics. The Big Ten has an education consortium amongst all of the schools (which is why they only take schools that are AAU certified - - every Big Ten school but Nebraska is one, and Nebraska was one when they entered the conference) that supposedly makes them more money than the television rights for sports do. It's why the only schools they look at are AAU schools - - and Washington, Oregon, Stanford, Cal, North Carolina, Virginia . . . and Notre Dame . . . fit into that. A Big 24 seems like it will happen - - and maybe not too far down the road.
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Post by tristramshandy on Aug 3, 2023 15:32:58 GMT
There'll be a federal intervention on this by 2030... at the end of the day, it's collegiate sports, & making an economic mockery of that has got to have a breaking point. I still think the other sports will bring a degree of sanity. We all know that football rules the universe. Football brings in more cash than all the other varsity sports combined at a Power 5 school. But these schools still have to fund the other sports. Will the big shots at Rutgers love hearing they have to foot the bill to send the woman's gymnastic team to LA to meet USC? Has the ACC school envisioned the costs of sending the Miami Lacrosse team to play Washington State? These superconferences might look yummy from September to December, but will they look so good when travel cost start to nickel and dime the athletic departments to death? The Big 10 could split into two divisions, all but separate, but travel costs from Iowa and Nebraska to non-cash cow sports aren't much better.
They'll do one of two things: have pods for those sports or have regional conferences for the small sports. True conference affiliation already isn't completely true. Johns Hopkins is a Big Ten school . . . in lacrosse. Notre Dame is a Big Ten school . . . in hockey. Hawaii is Mountain West in football but Big West in other sports. I could see the ex-Pac schools joining the Big West or West Coast Conference for some non-revenue sports. But for the smaller sports, the pod system has been talked about: six or eight schools all go to one site where you'd play two or three matches/games over a weekend. Fly to Indy and play a bunch of East Coast/West Coast teams at the same time. USC gets to play Rutgers, Maryland and Penn State all on one weekend in Chicago for water polo or tennis. The football money is going to win out no matter what, so they'll get creative for everything else.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 4, 2023 20:36:23 GMT
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 5, 2023 1:22:24 GMT
Alabama vs. Real Madrid for the Stanley Cup.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Aug 5, 2023 13:01:36 GMT
So who plays in the Rose Bowl now? And how will it differ from the Big Ten Championship game, which will have occurred mere weeks earlier?
College sports has always been about money, but this is disgusting. College athletics used to at least pretend to be education adjacent. Now every school is behaving like a Fortune 500 company with stockholders to consider. The athletes, the fans, hell the games are almost irrelevant; so long as you have those sweet broadcasting contracts. It's fucking crazy and I hate it.
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Post by twothousandonemark on Aug 5, 2023 13:41:39 GMT
There needs to be a reckoning & sorting out. You talk about sports fans who are upset from the outside... wait until casual university kids find out their rivals are 2000 miles away.
Norm MacDonald would've made a great NCAAF czar.
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 5, 2023 14:42:09 GMT
So who plays in the Rose Bowl now? And how will it differ from the Big Ten Championship game, which will have occurred mere weeks earlier? College sports has always been about money, but this is disgusting. College athletics used to at least pretend to be education adjacent. Now every school is behaving like a Fortune 500 company with stockholders to consider. The athletes, the fans, hell the games are almost irrelevant; so long as you have those sweet broadcasting contracts. It's fucking crazy and I hate it. Rose Bowl is just a bowl now, no different that Orange or the other bigs. Penn State-Utah is probably the last Big 10- PAC matchup
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Post by TheGoodMan19 on Aug 5, 2023 15:26:13 GMT
i can remember when the first big changes came in the late 70's. Arizona and Arizona State left the WAC for the PAC-8. The Big East and Metro (Louisville, Cincy, Memphis et al) formed. The eastern independents were talking to conferences, Miami, FSU, Penn State. Had anyone even suggested that Washington and Maryland would be in the same conference, they would have been laughed out of the room. The original Big East and Metro came and went, the mighty SWC is extinct and the PAC is all but dead.
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