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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 31, 2022 19:43:33 GMT
They take up room in the nightstand drawer! They are the only things in the nightstand drawer, so unless you are overloaded with smaller items when staying at a hotel, they are not taking up any space, anymore than any other book would be. Oh, well that just solves everything! Bring on more bibles! Just FYI, that was sarcasm. You never learn. And back onto Block you go.
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Post by clusium on Aug 31, 2022 22:21:58 GMT
They are the only things in the nightstand drawer, so unless you are overloaded with smaller items when staying at a hotel, they are not taking up any space, anymore than any other book would be. Oh, well that just solves everything! Bring on more bibles! Just FYI, that was sarcasm. You never learn. And back onto Block you go. Ohhhhhh I'm Block. Oh boo hoo hoo. And although you are not reading this (as I am now on Block), FYI, THAT is being sarcastic. The Bibles left in hotel rooms take up no more room than any other book, would. Why the heck would any atheist have a problem with them, I have no idea.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 31, 2022 22:34:28 GMT
I like the editing stuff; I am a former professional proofreader. I always have a red pen in my purse. I might also suggest leaving it prominently visible in the trash can, or leaving it in the bathroom, some pages torn out, and a note about running out of toilet paper. I am sick to death of others thinking that religious freedom means they are free to impose their religion on other people. There are a few books that could be left in the drawer next to the bible, "God is not Great" by Christopher Hitchens, "The Demon-Haunted World, science as a candle in the Dark" by Carl Sagan, I think. Or perhaps just a children's book of fairytales. I gotta say I am a bit surprised at this stance, I feel like it's a long way between leaving the opportunity for people to read something and forcing one religion on someone. Having said that I see no reason why there should not be other religions texts in hotel rooms. How about science texts? Or Secular Humanism texts? Or a copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? Or why not just books about the surrounding area, tourist opportunities or places of interest in the area? Why is the nightstand drawer used to push worldviews? Lighten up, folks, you are traveling. Live in the here and now, and explore the area you are in.
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Post by clusium on Aug 31, 2022 22:39:41 GMT
I gotta say I am a bit surprised at this stance, I feel like it's a long way between leaving the opportunity for people to read something and forcing one religion on someone. Having said that I see no reason why there should not be other religions texts in hotel rooms. How about science texts? Or Secular Humanism texts? Or a copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? Or why not just books about the surrounding area, tourist opportunities or places of interest in the area? Why is the nightstand drawer used to push worldviews? Lighten up, folks, you are traveling. Live in the here and now, and explore the area you are in. Nobody said that they cannot be put in there. Anyhow FYI (not that you are reading this, as you have me blocked, supposedly) science is neither opposed or for religion in anyway. Two entirely different subjects. Just like grammar is.
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Post by gadreel on Aug 31, 2022 22:42:25 GMT
I gotta say I am a bit surprised at this stance, I feel like it's a long way between leaving the opportunity for people to read something and forcing one religion on someone. Having said that I see no reason why there should not be other religions texts in hotel rooms. How about science texts? Or Secular Humanism texts? Or a copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? Or why not just books about the surrounding area, tourist opportunities or places of interest in the area? Why is the nightstand drawer used to push worldviews? Lighten up, folks, you are traveling. Live in the here and now, and explore the area you are in. Look I completely agree, I have once read the gideon in a hotel room, and I am a Christian. And yes I think there should be a range of books available at hotels. My point is though that leaving the bible somewhere to read is not really pushing a religion, it is giving an opportunity to read, no one is being forced. Oh every hotel I have been in (and I go to a few) has brochures on what to do in the area
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Aug 31, 2022 22:50:02 GMT
How about science texts? Or Secular Humanism texts? Or a copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? Or why not just books about the surrounding area, tourist opportunities or places of interest in the area? Why is the nightstand drawer used to push worldviews? Lighten up, folks, you are traveling. Live in the here and now, and explore the area you are in. Look I completely agree, I have once read the gideon in a hotel room, and I am a Christian. And yes I think there should be a range of books available at hotels. My point is though that leaving the bible somewhere to read is not really pushing a religion, it is giving an opportunity to read, no one is being forced. Oh every hotel I have been in (and I go to a few) has brochures on what to do in the area Then every religion should have material in the nightstand drawer. Having JUST ONE says something. But then, the nightstand drawer becomes a library shelf and is of little use to the occupant - no place for your cell phone, wallet, and other personal items you want to remain close. No room for your personal items, room occupant, we must have that space for information on speculative worldviews.
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Post by clusium on Aug 31, 2022 22:54:40 GMT
Look I completely agree, I have once read the gideon in a hotel room, and I am a Christian. And yes I think there should be a range of books available at hotels. My point is though that leaving the bible somewhere to read is not really pushing a religion, it is giving an opportunity to read, no one is being forced. Oh every hotel I have been in (and I go to a few) has brochures on what to do in the area Then every religion should have material in the nightstand drawer. Having JUST ONE says something. But then, the nightstand drawer becomes a library shelf and is of little use to the occupant - no place for your cell phone, wallet, and other personal items you want to remain close. No room for your personal items, room occupant, we must have that space for information on speculative worldviews. Some hotels DO contain religious scriptures and/or other kinds of literature left in them. So? Then perhaps hotel rooms SHOULD add a bookshelf in the room for the Bibles & other kinds of books.
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Post by Geddy on Sept 1, 2022 0:15:40 GMT
Oh, well that just solves everything! Bring on more bibles! Just FYI, that was sarcasm. You never learn. And back onto Block you go. Ohhhhhh I'm Block. Oh boo hoo hoo. And although you are not reading this (as I am now on Block), FYI, THAT is being sarcastic. The Bibles left in hotel rooms take up no more room than any other book, would. Why the heck would any atheist have a problem with them, I have no idea. No great loss for you, trust me.
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Post by NJtoTX on Sept 1, 2022 0:51:54 GMT
How about science texts? Or Secular Humanism texts? Or a copy of the Declaration of Independence and the Constitution? Or why not just books about the surrounding area, tourist opportunities or places of interest in the area? Why is the nightstand drawer used to push worldviews? Lighten up, folks, you are traveling. Live in the here and now, and explore the area you are in. Look I completely agree, I have once read the gideon in a hotel room, and I am a Christian. And yes I think there should be a range of books available at hotels. My point is though that leaving the bible somewhere to read is not really pushing a religion, it is giving an opportunity to read, no one is being forced. Oh every hotel I have been in (and I go to a few) has brochures on what to do in the area It's sheer marketing. Brochures are down by the common area and are for local experiences. Maybe political propaganda could be put in every room. Heck, it's reading material and no one has to read it. Or the NRA could put pro-gun materials there. Maybe Ayn Rand books, or Marx's Communist Manifesto.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 1, 2022 2:02:05 GMT
Look I completely agree, I have once read the gideon in a hotel room, and I am a Christian. And yes I think there should be a range of books available at hotels. My point is though that leaving the bible somewhere to read is not really pushing a religion, it is giving an opportunity to read, no one is being forced. Oh every hotel I have been in (and I go to a few) has brochures on what to do in the area Then every religion should have material in the nightstand drawer. Having JUST ONE says something. But then, the nightstand drawer becomes a library shelf and is of little use to the occupant - no place for your cell phone, wallet, and other personal items you want to remain close. No room for your personal items, room occupant, we must have that space for information on speculative worldviews. I completely agree, I guess it is up to those religions to put the plan in action. The only reason it is the Gideon bible is that they put the effort in. Really if it was religion being forced in your analogy only the Gideon bible would be ALLOWED to be there, if that is the case then yes it needs to be changed, I don't think that is the case though.
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Post by gadreel on Sept 1, 2022 2:02:55 GMT
Look I completely agree, I have once read the gideon in a hotel room, and I am a Christian. And yes I think there should be a range of books available at hotels. My point is though that leaving the bible somewhere to read is not really pushing a religion, it is giving an opportunity to read, no one is being forced. Oh every hotel I have been in (and I go to a few) has brochures on what to do in the area It's sheer marketing. Brochures are down by the common area and are for local experiences. Maybe political propaganda could be put in every room. Heck, it's reading material and no one has to read it. Or the NRA could put pro-gun materials there. Maybe Ayn Rand books, or Marx's Communist Manifesto. Yes. It is only an issue if one set of people are not allowed to have their material there.
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Post by rachelcarson1953 on Sept 1, 2022 2:26:26 GMT
Then every religion should have material in the nightstand drawer. Having JUST ONE says something. But then, the nightstand drawer becomes a library shelf and is of little use to the occupant - no place for your cell phone, wallet, and other personal items you want to remain close. No room for your personal items, room occupant, we must have that space for information on speculative worldviews. I completely agree, I guess it is up to those religions to put the plan in action. The only reason it is the Gideon bible is that they put the effort in. Really if it was religion being forced in your analogy only the Gideon bible would be ALLOWED to be there, if that is the case then yes it needs to be changed, I don't think that is the case though. My point was, why do we NEED books on religion in hotel rooms? Why not novels? Or history? Or current events? And why take up space in the room? Couldn't every hotel lobby have a small library for the few individuals who aren't watching the TV or using their computer? I just think it is a waste of resources to focus on bibles in every hotel room when those resources could go towards a food bank or homeless shelter that deals with human physical needs in the here and now. The Hereafter can wait.
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Post by clusium on Sept 1, 2022 2:32:44 GMT
Ohhhhhh I'm Block. Oh boo hoo hoo. And although you are not reading this (as I am now on Block), FYI, THAT is being sarcastic. The Bibles left in hotel rooms take up no more room than any other book, would. Why the heck would any atheist have a problem with them, I have no idea. No great loss for you, trust me. Yes, I realize.
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Post by Rodney Farber on Sept 1, 2022 13:48:29 GMT
The Bibles left in hotel rooms take up no more room than any other book, would. Why the heck would any atheist have a problem with them, I have no idea. If you want to read the Bible in the Ramada Inn, bring your own. Jehovah's Witnesses find any Bible other than their own to be blasphemous. If your propaganda book is allowed in a hotel room, why not allow alternate propaganda instead of yours? Suppose, instead of a Bible, you found a porn magazine, or The Quran, or a copy of Mein Kampf. After all, it's only one book that takes up just as much room as a Bible. What gives you the right to determine which propaganda book is "OK"? The easiest way to eliminate any hard feelings is to prohibit all propaganda in a commercial space.
I feel the same when I drive down the highway and I see that someone has set up a memorial to a deceased relative with a cross. I never see a roadside grave with a Star of David. It's not the cross that bothers me, it's that someone has set up a memorial to someone I do not know on public property. Like the Bible in a hotel room, I consider this trash. If you want a memorial to a loved one, put it in your own front yard where I don't have to look at it.
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Post by clusium on Sept 1, 2022 14:18:02 GMT
The Bibles left in hotel rooms take up no more room than any other book, would. Why the heck would any atheist have a problem with them, I have no idea. If you want to read the Bible in the Ramada Inn, bring your own. Jehovah's Witnesses find any Bible other than their own to be blasphemous. If your propaganda book is allowed in a hotel room, why not allow alternate propaganda instead of yours? Suppose, instead of a Bible, you found a porn magazine, or The Quran, or a copy of Mein Kampf. After all, it's only one book that takes up just as much room as a Bible. What gives you the right to determine which propaganda book is "OK"? The easiest way to eliminate any hard feelings is to prohibit all propaganda in a commercial space.
I feel the same when I drive down the highway and I see that someone has set up a memorial to a deceased relative with a cross. I never see a roadside grave with a Star of David. It's not the cross that bothers me, it's that someone has set up a memorial to someone I do not know on public property. Like the Bible in a hotel room, I consider this trash. If you want a memorial to a loved one, put it in your own front yard where I don't have to look at it.
Nobody is forcing you, a JW, or anybody else to read the Bibles left in hotel rooms. Point of fact: The Gideon Bible is -like the KJV- a Protestant Bible. I am Catholic. Catholic Bibles contain Books & chapters that are not contained in Protestant Bibles. And as already mentioned, some hotels DO carry the scriptures or religious literature of other religions. That means that there may very well be some hotels that have the Quran. When I was staying at a hotel in BC, not only did they have the Bible in their rooms, but, also literature full of teachings from the Buddha. The whole time I stayed, I didn't read the Bible, I read the Buddhist literature.
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Post by mystery on Sept 1, 2022 14:26:27 GMT
I actually wish that other religions would leave their texts next to the Gideon Bibles. It would be interesting to thumb through Buddhist or Hindu texts when I have some spare time.
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Post by clusium on Sept 1, 2022 14:31:09 GMT
I actually wish that other religions would leave their texts next to the Gideon Bibles. It would be interesting to thumb through Buddhist or Hindu texts when I have some spare time. Yes, like I said, I stayed at a hotel with Buddhist literature. I have also stayed at hotels with the Book of Mormon in them.
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Post by llanwydd on Sept 1, 2022 14:38:40 GMT
I completely agree, I guess it is up to those religions to put the plan in action. The only reason it is the Gideon bible is that they put the effort in. Really if it was religion being forced in your analogy only the Gideon bible would be ALLOWED to be there, if that is the case then yes it needs to be changed, I don't think that is the case though. My point was, why do we NEED books on religion in hotel rooms? Why not novels? Or history? Or current events? And why take up space in the room? Couldn't every hotel lobby have a small library for the few individuals who aren't watching the TV or using their computer? I just think it is a waste of resources to focus on bibles in every hotel room when those resources could go towards a food bank or homeless shelter that deals with human physical needs in the here and now. The Hereafter can wait. The reason is pretty simple. Gideons International has been putting Bibles in hotel rooms for over a hundred years. So far nobody has shown an interest in leaving novels or history books for hotel guests. And might I ask what you meant in an earlier post that having JUST ONE (religious text in the nightstand drawer) says something? What does it say?
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Post by mystery on Sept 1, 2022 14:45:53 GMT
I actually wish that other religions would leave their texts next to the Gideon Bibles. It would be interesting to thumb through Buddhist or Hindu texts when I have some spare time. Yes, like I said, I stayed at a hotel with Buddhist literature. I have also stayed at hotels with the Book of Mormon in them. I know, I got interrupted before I posted, so I didn't see your post until afterward. Sorry about that. I saw the Quran in Islamic countries a time or two, but I usually don't even check that drawer. Someone was giving away free copies of the Quran on the street in Egypt (I think), so I gladly took one. Not really my cuppa, but still kinda interesting.
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Post by clusium on Sept 1, 2022 15:41:55 GMT
Yes, like I said, I stayed at a hotel with Buddhist literature. I have also stayed at hotels with the Book of Mormon in them. I know, I got interrupted before I posted, so I didn't see your post until afterward. Sorry about that. I saw the Quran in Islamic countries a time or two, but I usually don't even check that drawer. Someone was giving away free copies of the Quran on the street in Egypt (I think), so I gladly took one. Not really my cuppa, but still kinda interesting. No, it's okay. No need to apologize. Personally, I preferred the Buddhist literature over the Book of Mormon.
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