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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 20, 2023 11:50:25 GMT
So why are you so broken? There has to be a reason. I think people here are kinda misunderstanding the point of the video. It’s not saying homosexuality is broken per se. The brokenness is about the circumstances that possibly lead to homosexual inclination. What if there is no brokenness? Plenty of women are sexually abused as children, does this make them broken and unable to have a normal sex life as adults? Why is the abuse on girls different than the abuse on boys? And you just assume with no proof all homosexuality is cause via evil means...it's not. The only reason you think it is, is because some men in the Iron Age thought it was.
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 11:51:54 GMT
I think people here are kinda misunderstanding the point of the video. It’s not saying homosexuality is broken per se. The brokenness is about the circumstances that possibly lead to homosexual inclination. Your topic headline is brazenly admitting homosexuality is broken. Why does it concern you at any rate, if you are comfortable with not being homosexual? I felt it’s a topic worth discussing. Why has it triggered you so much?
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Post by clusium on Feb 20, 2023 12:54:54 GMT
Not when you verbally abuse those that follow person of said religion it isn't. If you or myself ever said that you or I hated Judaism, & Jewish person accused you or myself of bigotry, & we responded "no, we hate the religion, not the person, I can assure you that the person would not accept it. Do you know why? Because Judaism is in their bones. Regardless if the person is Reform or Orthodox, the religion is the air they breathe. So too, is it with Christianity (& frankly, practically all world religions). For us it is our way of life, no matter where we are from. Yes, I realize that people can change their nationality. That is why I said "much like one's own nationality is both choice or something that one is born into." People change their nationalities all the time or choose to remain patriotic to it. Just as people can either change their religions or remain in the ones that they were raised in. I have never denied that atrocities have been committed in the name of Christianity. Pope St. John Paul II himself acknowledged the bad things done in the name of Christianity back in the Jubilee year. Again, you accuse me & djorno of being hateful & making rhetoric against a minority group. What is it that either he or I have said against any minority group? Just because I do not agree with something does not mean I wish any harm on the people. As Sarge already told you, "People aren't obligated to like you or approve of your life. They are only obligated to not discriminate based on protected statuses." You hate me only because I do not support the homosexual lifestyle. Doesn't mean I hate Gay or Lesbian people. Just that there is a reason why there are only 2 genders, no matter what the leftist agenda try to promote. Do you remember Knight in Black Leather from the original IMDB message forums? He was Gay, yet, he accepted Church teaching regarding homosexual acts, & chose chastity. Better still, do you remember gameboy ? He was very much a practicing Gay man, plus his religious beliefs were all over the place: Raised Greek Orthodox, but then embraced all kinds wild religious beliefs from satanism to worshipping Norse/Germanic deities, & yet, he never hated me for my conservative Christian views, despite being an openly, practicing Gay man. He respected me on these forums, & I in turn, respected his, without ever getting into any kind of heated confrontation or condemnation of one or the other. There are a lot of reasons people become Gay, Lesbian Bi, etc. Abuse is only just one factor. The Catholic Church - & most other Christian Churches - do not teach that just being Gay, or Lesbian, etc. is in & of itself, evil. There is even a patron saint of gay men. It teaches that the very sexual acts are sinful, but, they also teach the exact same thing when Straight people do these things too, including living together without first being married, etc. I was diagnosed with learning disabilities in high school, & then in my adult years with Aspergers' Syndrome (which, as you probably already know, is on the Autism spectrum). No, it is not inappropriate to make the comparison of sexual orientation to mental illness or disability. In many ways, we suffer because of stereotypes bigotry, bullying , & discrimination placed on us from society as well. Speaking personally, I really wish I didn't have Aspergers' based how much it impacted my life; everything from school to work, & overall treatment from my peers etc. That is why I doubt people would actually want to be Gay or Lesbian, based on how they were ostracized in the past. And I know people who were atheist, or at the very least, not at all religious, who also were homophobic towards Gays, or Lesbians, etc. Very good. I'm very proud of you, captainbryce . I'm real glad to know that, captainbryce . It is very good that you help those in the developing world. That said, where in my post did I say that Christians in the USA suffer persecution. I don't even live in the United States, so I do not know why anybody would even bring that up to me. When I said that Christians suffer persecution in many parts of the world, I was referring to such places that you support. I live in Canada, so I too, am safe from persecution. You hate me only because I do not support the homosexual lifestyle. No one hates you, Clusim. Please, stop with that crap, but you are very unlikeable because of your insistence you have a god-given right to tell gay people and others they are going to be punished horrifically in the next life deserving no kindness in this one because of your religion. When did I ever say that I had a god-given right to gay people & others that they are going to be punished horrifically in the next life? Did I even say that I was going to Heaven, while all you guys are going to Hell? Never put words into another poster's mouth.
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 20, 2023 13:04:34 GMT
You hate me only because I do not support the homosexual lifestyle. No one hates you, Clusim. Please, stop with that crap, but you are very unlikeable because of your insistence you have a god-given right to tell gay people and others they are going to be punished horrifically in the next life deserving no kindness in this one because of your religion. When did I ever say that I had a god-given right to gay people & others that they are going to be punished horrifically in the next life? Did I even say that I was going to Heaven, while all you guys are going to Hell? Never put words into another poster's mouth. What will happen to homosexuals if they die active homosexuals?
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Post by clusium on Feb 20, 2023 13:12:11 GMT
When did I ever say that I had a god-given right to gay people & others that they are going to be punished horrifically in the next life? Did I even say that I was going to Heaven, while all you guys are going to Hell? Never put words into another poster's mouth. What will happen to homosexuals if they die active homosexuals? That is between them & God. There may also be other aspects of their lives that are Pleasing to God as well. Also historically, homosexuals experienced a lot of extreme abuse during their life on Earth as well. That is why in the case of the Catholic Church, we also believe in a third state known as Purgatory which, like Hell, is a state of suffering, however, unlike Hell, it is only temporal, & the soul does go to Heaven eventually (Hell is a state of no escape from torment, & one has had to have led an extremely evil kind of lifestyle to go there).
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 20, 2023 13:31:13 GMT
What will happen to homosexuals if they die active homosexuals? That is between them & God. There may also be other aspects of their lives that are Pleasing to God as well. Also historically, homosexuals experienced a lot of extreme abuse during their life on Earth as well. That is why in the case of the Catholic Church, we also believe in a third state known as Purgatory which, like Hell, is a state of suffering, however, unlike Hell, it is only temporal, & the soul does go to Heaven eventually (Hell is a state of no escape from torment, & one has had to have led an extremely evil kind of lifestyle to go there). Then what’s the big deal about making gay men feel like shit for being gay claiming out of nowhere they’re “broken” via sexual abuse? Probably no more than 5% suffered any abuse and it probably didn’t alter their sexual orientation. Your church can’t even keep your priests in line, that’s a lot of why people don’t like your pushy type of judgmental, morally superior, but thoroughly hypocritical Christianity. This is not the actual religion, Jesus is alright with me, it’s your claim of ownership of him that isn’t. Others churches don’t do that. Nobody “hates” on Episcopalians, Methodists, or United Church of Christ. I’m sure you think you are being good hearted and loving, but you hurt people with your religion more than you help.
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 13:33:15 GMT
When did I ever say that I had a god-given right to gay people & others that they are going to be punished horrifically in the next life? Did I even say that I was going to Heaven, while all you guys are going to Hell? Never put words into another poster's mouth. What will happen to homosexuals if they die active homosexuals? They will not inherit the kingdom of God. Why do you think Christians warn you to repent?
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 13:34:48 GMT
That is between them & God. There may also be other aspects of their lives that are Pleasing to God as well. Also historically, homosexuals experienced a lot of extreme abuse during their life on Earth as well. That is why in the case of the Catholic Church, we also believe in a third state known as Purgatory which, like Hell, is a state of suffering, however, unlike Hell, it is only temporal, & the soul does go to Heaven eventually (Hell is a state of no escape from torment, & one has had to have led an extremely evil kind of lifestyle to go there). Then what’s the big deal about making gay men feel like shit for being gay claiming out of nowhere they’re “broken” via sexual abuse? Probably no more than 5% suffered any abuse and it probably didn’t alter their sexual orientation. Your church can’t even keep your priests in line, that’s a lot of why people don’t like your pushy type of judgmental, morally superior, but thoroughly hypocritical Christianity. This is not the actual religion, Jesus is alright with me, it’s your claim of ownership of him that isn’t. Others churches don’t do that. Nobody “hates” on Episcopalians, Methodists, or United Church of Christ. I’m sure you think you are being good hearted and loving, but you hurt people with your religion more than you help. The sexual abuse along with other factors is the broken part.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 20, 2023 13:39:33 GMT
Then what’s the big deal about making gay men feel like shit for being gay claiming out of nowhere they’re “broken” via sexual abuse? Probably no more than 5% suffered any abuse and it probably didn’t alter their sexual orientation. Your church can’t even keep your priests in line, that’s a lot of why people don’t like your pushy type of judgmental, morally superior, but thoroughly hypocritical Christianity. This is not the actual religion, Jesus is alright with me, it’s your claim of ownership of him that isn’t. Others churches don’t do that. Nobody “hates” on Episcopalians, Methodists, or United Church of Christ. I’m sure you think you are being good hearted and loving, but you hurt people with your religion more than you help. The sexual abuse along with other factors is the broken part. People like you are the only broken parts in this entire discussion.
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 14:02:32 GMT
The sexual abuse along with other factors is the broken part. People like you are the only broken parts in this entire discussion. No need for ad hominems, sir.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 20, 2023 14:05:22 GMT
People like you are the only broken parts in this entire discussion. No need for ad hominems, sir. Your entire thread is based on an ad hominem, genius. Not wearing our thinking cap this morning, are we?
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 14:13:56 GMT
No need for ad hominems, sir. Your entire thread is based on an ad hominem, genius. Not wearing our thinking cap this morning, are we? I’m guessing you’re a homosexual, Faustus…
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 20, 2023 14:20:19 GMT
Your entire thread is based on an ad hominem, genius. Not wearing our thinking cap this morning, are we? I’m guessing you’re a homosexual, Faustus… Nope, totally straight. I just happen to be a decent human being, something people like you would never understand.
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 14:29:16 GMT
I’m guessing you’re a homosexual, Faustus… Nope, totally straight. I just happen to be a decent human being, something people like you would never understand. Ok. So I’m an indecent human being for posting a video that goes over the possible reasons why homosexuals end up with that sexual orientation? Gotcha. Would I be equally indecent if I did the same thing regarding alcoholics, gamblers and drug addicts?
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 20, 2023 14:54:14 GMT
Would I be equally indecent if I did the same thing regarding alcoholics, gamblers and drug addicts? See what you're doing there--comparing homosexuality to a mental disease? You are such an utter scumbag that you had no conception when you wrote that line that it just made you look even worse.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 20, 2023 15:46:33 GMT
In other words “It’s OK when we do it!” No motherfucker - those are YOUR WORDS. I don't do what YOU do. I believe both are choices. I don't care what you BELIEVE. You also believe in MAGIC, so obviously your beliefs are not grounded in reason or fact. You’ve got to be kidding me. Have you been living on a desert island this past decade? No, I live in reality and not the delusion that you live in. And by the way ^this is NOT an "argument". If you anything of substance (like say EVIDENCE) to support your asinine homophobic nonsense, I'd be happy to consider it. But simply repeating your stance in a more emphatic way does nothing to convince a reasonable person that your claim is true.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 15:54:32 GMT
Nope, totally straight. I just happen to be a decent human being, something people like you would never understand. Ok. So I’m an indecent human being for posting a video that goes over the possible reasons why homosexuals end up with that sexual orientation? Got to say, you have come across as a homophobe... I consider that an indecent trait in a person.
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 16:17:04 GMT
In other words “It’s OK when we do it!” No motherfucker - those are YOUR WORDS. I don't do what YOU do. I believe both are choices. I don't care what you BELIEVE. You also believe in MAGIC, so obviously your beliefs are not grounded in reason or fact. You’ve got to be kidding me. Have you been living on a desert island this past decade? No, I live in reality and not the delusion that you live in. And by the way ^this is NOT an "argument". If you anything of substance (like say EVIDENCE) to support your asinine homophobic nonsense, I'd be happy to consider it. But simply repeating your stance in a more emphatic way does nothing to convince a reasonable person that your claim is true. It’s literally all over advertisements, commercials, social media, billboards etc. It’s even crept into movies, tv programmes and Disney shows and even some ultra liberal churches. And it’s only getting more and more prevalent and blatant. It’s gone way beyond merely campaigning for tolerance to actual indoctrination at this point. And the main reason for it is an attempt to silence Christians and all opposition to it. It’s about sanitising and normalising the sin of sexual immorality, affirming it as a good and natural thing for society.
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Post by faustus5 on Feb 20, 2023 16:27:43 GMT
It’s gone way beyond merely campaigning for tolerance to actual indoctrination at this point. Yes, I suppose that to someone like you who has been indoctrinated into an absurd cult of hate, that when rational, good persons succeed in persuading a majority of society that your side is evil and wrong, it must look like indoctrination to you. That's how you losers manage to live with yourselves.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 20, 2023 16:28:11 GMT
No motherfucker - those are YOUR WORDS. I don't do what YOU do. I don't care what you BELIEVE. You also believe in MAGIC, so obviously your beliefs are not grounded in reason or fact. No, I live in reality and not the delusion that you live in. And by the way ^this is NOT an "argument". If you anything of substance (like say EVIDENCE) to support your asinine homophobic nonsense, I'd be happy to consider it. But simply repeating your stance in a more emphatic way does nothing to convince a reasonable person that your claim is true. It’s literally all over advertisements, commercials, social media, billboards etc. It’s even crept into movies, tv programmes and Disney shows and even some ultra liberal churches. And it’s only getting more and more prevalent and blatant. It’s gone way beyond merely campaigning for tolerance to actual indoctrination at this point. And the main reason for it is an attempt to silence Christians and all opposition to it. It’s about sanitising and normalising the sin of sexual immorality, affirming it as a good and natural thing for society. As a Roman Catholic Christian, I would like to distance myself from this poster... They don't represent the vast majority of Christians' beliefs at all. This person has some psychological issues, and is probably one of these 'incels' you hear about.
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