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Post by Stammerhead on Feb 20, 2023 18:42:05 GMT
Apparently having many bad experiences during childhood can also make you heterosexual.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 20, 2023 20:24:19 GMT
But homosexuality is unhealthy both physically and psychologically. No it isn’t. That’s just your homophobia speaking!
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Post by gadreel on Feb 20, 2023 21:04:08 GMT
Unhealthy to whom? Yourself, because it disturbs you? As a sexual act (and as Gore Vidal sanely and sensibly pointed out some years ago, there are no homosexual people, just homosexual acts; and yes I'm aware not everyone will agree with that, but I profoundly do) it is no more 'healthy' or 'unhealthy' than any heterosexual act, physically. You of course, are attempting to assign it the status of psychologically unhealthy act because your god kinda sorta says it is. And as far as I'm concerned, people who put an inordinate level of stock in what invisible sky fairies tell them is 'healthy' or 'unhealthy' are displaying a demonstrably unhealthy practice, as you are doing at this moment. See how that works? I actually agree with you and whoever this Gore Vidal person is. But homosexuality is unhealthy both physically and psychologically. Can you explain in your own words exactly how, and what that is caused by?
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Post by clusium on Feb 20, 2023 22:04:47 GMT
That is between them & God. There may also be other aspects of their lives that are Pleasing to God as well. Also historically, homosexuals experienced a lot of extreme abuse during their life on Earth as well. That is why in the case of the Catholic Church, we also believe in a third state known as Purgatory which, like Hell, is a state of suffering, however, unlike Hell, it is only temporal, & the soul does go to Heaven eventually (Hell is a state of no escape from torment, & one has had to have led an extremely evil kind of lifestyle to go there). Then what’s the big deal about making gay men feel like shit for being gay claiming out of nowhere they’re “broken” via sexual abuse? Probably no more than 5% suffered any abuse and it probably didn’t alter their sexual orientation. Your church can’t even keep your priests in line, that’s a lot of why people don’t like your pushy type of judgmental, morally superior, but thoroughly hypocritical Christianity. This is not the actual religion, Jesus is alright with me, it’s your claim of ownership of him that isn’t. Others churches don’t do that. Nobody “hates” on Episcopalians, Methodists, or United Church of Christ. I’m sure you think you are being good hearted and loving, but you hurt people with your religion more than you help. Why would they feel like shit over something like that? Everybody is broken.
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Post by amyghost on Feb 20, 2023 22:14:03 GMT
In fact any form of sex outside the confines of marriage between a man and a woman is unhealthy. Just more mindless bullshit. You really have no grasp of objective reality, do you? I am beginning to pick up a rather strong vibe that the OP has some fairly 'unhealthy' issues regarding sex...possibly related to an inability, for whatever reasons, to have any.
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Post by captainbryce on Feb 20, 2023 22:51:08 GMT
Then what’s the big deal about making gay men feel like shit for being gay claiming out of nowhere they’re “broken” via sexual abuse? Probably no more than 5% suffered any abuse and it probably didn’t alter their sexual orientation. Your church can’t even keep your priests in line, that’s a lot of why people don’t like your pushy type of judgmental, morally superior, but thoroughly hypocritical Christianity. This is not the actual religion, Jesus is alright with me, it’s your claim of ownership of him that isn’t. Others churches don’t do that. Nobody “hates” on Episcopalians, Methodists, or United Church of Christ. I’m sure you think you are being good hearted and loving, but you hurt people with your religion more than you help. Why would they feel like shit over something like that? Everybody is broken. No they’re not. YOU are broken! You don’t get to visit that onto everyone else. The reason why people don’t like that is because it’s a lie! You’re telling people that there is something wrong with them for being gay. It’s no more loving than telling a black person that there is something wrong with them for being black “but it’s okay to black because everyone is broken”. Do you seriously not understand how insulting that sounds?
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Post by Sarge on Feb 20, 2023 23:16:39 GMT
Your random insights never cease to amaze but sex has been around much longer than that. Of course, I assumed you knew I mean when humans started having a society and sex became a thing as witnessed by early cave porn like any other well-adjusted adult male. Yeah, but I also assumed you quoted me by accident since it had nothing to do with entitlement in modern political movements, so I was being a smartass. You were responding to statements I didn't make or imply, but I don't know the intended recipient.
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 23:22:10 GMT
Just more mindless bullshit. You really have no grasp of objective reality, do you? I am beginning to pick up a rather strong vibe that the OP has some fairly 'unhealthy' issues regarding sex...possibly related to an inability, for whatever reasons, to have any. Nice. Not judgemental or hateful at all...
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 23:27:14 GMT
Why would they feel like shit over something like that? Everybody is broken. No they’re not. YOU are broken! You don’t get to visit that onto everyone else. The reason why people don’t like that is because it’s a lie! You’re telling people that there is something wrong with them for being gay. It’s no more loving than telling a black person that there is something wrong with them for being black “but it’s okay to black because everyone is broken”. Do you seriously not understand how insulting that sounds? Being black is a race, not a choice. People are born black. There’s nothing unhealthy or unnatural about being black. Being a homosexual is a lifestyle choice. There are likely multiple causes for homosexuality. If sexual and physical abuse or trauma can lead to it, which data and testimonial evidence seems to indicate a connection, then there is something undeniably broken about that.
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Post by djorno on Feb 20, 2023 23:30:46 GMT
That is between them & God. There may also be other aspects of their lives that are Pleasing to God as well. Also historically, homosexuals experienced a lot of extreme abuse during their life on Earth as well. That is why in the case of the Catholic Church, we also believe in a third state known as Purgatory which, like Hell, is a state of suffering, however, unlike Hell, it is only temporal, & the soul does go to Heaven eventually (Hell is a state of no escape from torment, & one has had to have led an extremely evil kind of lifestyle to go there). Then what’s the big deal about making gay men feel like shit for being gay claiming out of nowhere they’re “broken” via sexual abuse? Probably no more than 5% suffered any abuse and it probably didn’t alter their sexual orientation. Your church can’t even keep your priests in line, that’s a lot of why people don’t like your pushy type of judgmental, morally superior, but thoroughly hypocritical Christianity. This is not the actual religion, Jesus is alright with me, it’s your claim of ownership of him that isn’t. Others churches don’t do that. Nobody “hates” on Episcopalians, Methodists, or United Church of Christ. I’m sure you think you are being good hearted and loving, but you hurt people with your religion more than you help. That’s not true, there are reports that say up to 74% of bisexuals experienced some kind of sexual abuse as children.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 20, 2023 23:58:39 GMT
Then what’s the big deal about making gay men feel like shit for being gay claiming out of nowhere they’re “broken” via sexual abuse? Probably no more than 5% suffered any abuse and it probably didn’t alter their sexual orientation. Your church can’t even keep your priests in line, that’s a lot of why people don’t like your pushy type of judgmental, morally superior, but thoroughly hypocritical Christianity. This is not the actual religion, Jesus is alright with me, it’s your claim of ownership of him that isn’t. Others churches don’t do that. Nobody “hates” on Episcopalians, Methodists, or United Church of Christ. I’m sure you think you are being good hearted and loving, but you hurt people with your religion more than you help. That’s not true, there are reports that say up to 74% of bisexuals experienced some kind of sexual abuse as children. No? I see that you have provided a lot of conjecture, some outright nonsense and now it looks like you are makeing up stats, are you capable of articulating in your own words why:
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Post by Isapop on Feb 20, 2023 23:58:50 GMT
Being a homosexual is a lifestyle choice. And what do you base that assertion on? You never responded to my last post to you three days ago when I quoted the American Psychological Association: "(P)sychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice".
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Post by gadreel on Feb 20, 2023 23:59:59 GMT
No they’re not. YOU are broken! You don’t get to visit that onto everyone else. The reason why people don’t like that is because it’s a lie! You’re telling people that there is something wrong with them for being gay. It’s no more loving than telling a black person that there is something wrong with them for being black “but it’s okay to black because everyone is broken”. Do you seriously not understand how insulting that sounds? Being black is a race, not a choice. People are born black. There’s nothing unhealthy or unnatural about being black. Being a homosexual is a lifestyle choice. There are likely multiple causes for homosexuality. If sexual and physical abuse or trauma can lead to it, which data and testimonial evidence seems to indicate a connection, then there is something undeniably broken about that. firstly Homosexuality is not a choice, the circumstances are well beyond any control, and secondly once again you are conflating causation and correlation.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 21, 2023 0:00:27 GMT
Being a homosexual is a lifestyle choice. And what do you base that assertion on? You never responded to my last post to you three days ago when I quoted the American Psychological Association: "(P)sychologists do not consider sexual orientation to be a conscious choice". I think he just avoids questions that he can't answer
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Post by paulslaugh on Feb 21, 2023 0:46:19 GMT
Then what’s the big deal about making gay men feel like shit for being gay claiming out of nowhere they’re “broken” via sexual abuse? Probably no more than 5% suffered any abuse and it probably didn’t alter their sexual orientation. Your church can’t even keep your priests in line, that’s a lot of why people don’t like your pushy type of judgmental, morally superior, but thoroughly hypocritical Christianity. This is not the actual religion, Jesus is alright with me, it’s your claim of ownership of him that isn’t. Others churches don’t do that. Nobody “hates” on Episcopalians, Methodists, or United Church of Christ. I’m sure you think you are being good hearted and loving, but you hurt people with your religion more than you help. Why would they feel like shit over something like that? Everybody is broken. But gays are extra broken according to your church and yet if it had not been for her sex abuse victims finally getting their case out in public, the church would still be sexually abusing its children.
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Post by clusium on Feb 21, 2023 0:52:07 GMT
Why would they feel like shit over something like that? Everybody is broken. But gays are extra broken according to your church and yet if it had not been for her sex abuse victims finally getting their case out in public, the church would still be sexually abusing its children. Everybody is extra broken according to the Church.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 21, 2023 0:58:17 GMT
But gays are extra broken according to your church and yet if it had not been for her sex abuse victims finally getting their case out in public, the church would still be sexually abusing its children. Everybody is extra broken according to the Church. But "everybody" isn't called to chastity. The Church reserves that for gay people. (And if our pattern continues, you'll say it's because sex by a gay couple can't make a baby. And then I'll give you the examples of straight people who also can't make a baby but who aren't called to chastity by the Church, and ask why gay people are thus singled out, and then you won't respond.)
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Post by djorno on Feb 21, 2023 1:00:01 GMT
That’s not true, there are reports that say up to 74% of bisexuals experienced some kind of sexual abuse as children. No? I see that you have provided a lot of conjecture, some outright nonsense and now it looks like you are makeing up stats, are you capable of articulating in your own words why: Here’s the report: americansfortruth.com/2009/08/21/researcher-74-percent-of-bisexuals-experienced-child-sex-abuse/As for homosexual practices being physically and psychologically unhealthy. It’s a fact that homosexual practices bring a much higher risk of HIV infection and other STD’s such as Hepatitis and now recently monkeypox. Gay men have an increased risk of mental health issues such as depression, bipolar disorder and anxiety. Gay men are far more likely to have body image problems and suffer from eating disorders, such as anorexia and bulimia. Gay men are more likely to suffer from alcohol and substance use. Gay men are more likely to suffer from domestic violence and more likely to stay silent about this kind of violence due to a fear of discrimination. Gay men are more likely to be promiscuous and have open relationships and multiple partners and sexual encounters.
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Post by clusium on Feb 21, 2023 1:05:45 GMT
Everybody is extra broken according to the Church. But "everybody" isn't called to chastity. The Church reserves that for gay people.(And if our pattern continues, you'll say it's because sex by a gay couple can't make a baby. And then I'll give you the examples of straight people who also can't make a baby but who aren't called to chastity by the Church, and ask why gay people are thus singled out, and then you won't respond.) Not just for gay people, but also for unmarried straight people and/or people called to the religious life.
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Post by djorno on Feb 21, 2023 1:10:50 GMT
Everybody is extra broken according to the Church. But "everybody" isn't called to chastity. The Church reserves that for gay people. (And if our pattern continues, you'll say it's because sex by a gay couple can't make a baby. And then I'll give you the examples of straight people who also can't make a baby but who aren't called to chastity by the Church, and ask why gay people are thus singled out, and then you won't respond.) No all people are called to chasity.
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