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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 19:32:46 GMT
What do you think the conversation around rape culture is about, why would this be any different? And what exactly IS the rape culture? Are you really this clueless about the real world, or is it an act?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 19:34:31 GMT
Rape is heinous crime, & people who commit should have their asses thrown in prison. Case closed. Why? Rape is fine under Old Testament law, as long as the rapist marries his victim... You support that shit don't you?
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Post by clusium on Feb 28, 2023 19:35:10 GMT
Rape is heinous crime, & people who commit should have their asses thrown in prison. Case closed. Now that I answered gadreel, how do YOU feel about rape???!!!
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Post by clusium on Feb 28, 2023 19:38:37 GMT
Rape is heinous crime, & people who commit should have their asses thrown in prison. Case closed. Why? Rape is fine under Old Testament law, as long as the rapist marries his victim... You support that shit don't you? No, why? Do you? I mean, you are the one who opposes Catholic Church teaching. "2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them." Rape, According To The Catechism Of The Catholic ChurchSo the question is, do you support that?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 19:39:45 GMT
Why? Rape is fine under Old Testament law, as long as the rapist marries his victim... You support that shit don't you? No, why? Do you? I mean, you are the one who opposes Catholic Church teaching. "2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them." Rape, According To The Catechism Of The Catholic ChurchSo the question is, do you support that? You've got a serious mental health problem, probably an undiagnosed personality disorder. We are done here. Seek help.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 28, 2023 19:43:58 GMT
"Do not judge" "Always treat others as you would like them to treat you; that is the Law" There's no 'unless they are gay' clause. Many of us have refused to have our heads rewired to regard homosexuality as a beautiful expression of love between two people. A reader of this thread would be right to wonder.....by what obscene sorcery does Fr Jack get "judging" out of a refusal to be brainwashed into thinking wrong is right? Well, it's nothing new, I can tell you. Let's see what Genesis 19 says: There you have it, folks. That's where the "judge" thing comes from. If you call it what it is, you be accused of "judging," just like Lot was. I quoted it from the NIV which at the time of this writing has not been deemed heretical by the Catholic Church. I don't expect it to stay that way forever, though.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 28, 2023 19:44:29 GMT
Rape is heinous crime, & people who commit should have their asses thrown in prison. Case closed. Still avoiding the question I see. EDIT Oh and I am not talking about rape per se, I am talking about rape culture.
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Post by clusium on Feb 28, 2023 19:49:25 GMT
Rape is heinous crime, & people who commit should have their asses thrown in prison. Case closed. Still avoiding the question I see. EDIT Oh and I am not talking about rape per se, I am talking about rape culture. What exactly is your question regarding rape culture? Am I for it? Or against it? If that is what you are asking, then the answer is, I am against.
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Post by clusium on Feb 28, 2023 19:51:24 GMT
No, why? Do you? I mean, you are the one who opposes Catholic Church teaching. "2356 Rape is the forcible violation of the sexual intimacy of another person. It does injury to justice and charity. Rape deeply wounds the respect, freedom, and physical and moral integrity to which every person has a right. It causes grave damage that can mark the victim for life. It is always an intrinsically evil act. Graver still is the rape of children committed by parents (incest) or those responsible for the education of the children entrusted to them." Rape, According To The Catechism Of The Catholic ChurchSo the question is, do you support that? You've got a serious mental health problem, probably an undiagnosed personality disorder. We are done here. Seek help. No, I'm pretty sound of mind. You are the one who seems to have an undiagnosed personality disorder. On the one hand, you claim to be a faithful "catholic," & yet, on the other hand, you oppose sound Catholic teaching, & attack those that stand by it. If anybody here needs to seek help, it is you.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 19:59:44 GMT
You've got a serious mental health problem, probably an undiagnosed personality disorder. We are done here. Seek help. No, I'm pretty sound of mind. You are the one who seems to have an undiagnosed personality disorder. On the one hand, you claim to be a faithful "catholic," & yet, on the other hand, you oppose sound Catholic teaching, & attack those that stand by it. If anybody here needs to seek help, it is you. Says the person who's two favourite topics are hating gay people, and serial killers 🧐 imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/324187/deadliest-serial-killers-history
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Post by clusium on Feb 28, 2023 20:03:03 GMT
No, I'm pretty sound of mind. You are the one who seems to have an undiagnosed personality disorder. On the one hand, you claim to be a faithful "catholic," & yet, on the other hand, you oppose sound Catholic teaching, & attack those that stand by it. If anybody here needs to seek help, it is you. Says the person who's two favourite topics are hating gay people, and serial killers 🧐 imdb2.freeforums.net/thread/324187/deadliest-serial-killers-historyExcept that I don't hate people. I'm not even the one who brings them up. You are the one that does that. And yes, I share videos regarding serial killers on the crime message forum. Why? Because that is what that message forum is there for.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 28, 2023 20:11:23 GMT
Except that I don't hate people. I'm not even the one who brings them up. You are the one that does that. And yes, I share videos regarding serial killers on the crime message forum. Why? Because that is what that message forum is there for. If you say so, ya crackpot...
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Post by Isapop on Feb 28, 2023 21:07:14 GMT
You do persist on missing the point, don't you? How I feel about someone's morality does not interfere with the principle that all people should be treated equally under the law. But your moral disapproval of gay people translates into your desire to see the state treat them as second-class citizens regarding legal marriage. Desiring that a classification of people be treated as unequal before the law is a bigoted position. No, its about maintaining what marriage is supposed to be, & what it is not. As far as you are concerned (and correct me if I am wrong), marriage is what your church says it is. That definition is maintained by the Church, and the Church recognizes as valid whatever marriages fit its own requirements. And the state takes no hand in it. The Church can maintain its definition however it pleases. How the state defines legal marriage for state purposes does not threaten that and does not affect that. Several times I have pointedly made the distinction between marriage in the eyes of the God and marriage in the eyes of the state (legal marriage). Your church understands the difference; it's a pity you don't.
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Post by clusium on Feb 28, 2023 21:25:26 GMT
No, its about maintaining what marriage is supposed to be, & what it is not. As far as you are concerned (and correct me if I am wrong), marriage is what your church says it is. That definition is maintained by the Church, and the Church recognizes as valid whatever marriages fit its own requirements. And the state takes no hand in it. The Church can maintain its definition however it pleases. How the state defines legal marriage for state purposes does not threaten that and does not affect that. Several times I have pointedly made the distinction between marriage in the eyes of the God and marriage in the eyes of the state (legal marriage). Your church understands the difference; it's a pity you don't. It's not just what the Church says it is. It is what SOCIETY ITSELF has always said what it was. It is only extremely recently that the definition was changed.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 28, 2023 21:27:45 GMT
Still avoiding the question I see. EDIT Oh and I am not talking about rape per se, I am talking about rape culture. What exactly is your question regarding rape culture? Am I for it? Or against it? If that is what you are asking, then the answer is, I am against. Do you understand that rape culture normalises rape, that making it ok to joke about rape makes it more normal and empowers rapists by it's implicit acceptance? Can you tell me why this would be true for rape culture, but that for some reason this does not hold when you normalise demonising homosexuals?
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Post by Isapop on Feb 28, 2023 21:58:30 GMT
As far as you are concerned (and correct me if I am wrong), marriage is what your church says it is. That definition is maintained by the Church, and the Church recognizes as valid whatever marriages fit its own requirements. And the state takes no hand in it. The Church can maintain its definition however it pleases. How the state defines legal marriage for state purposes does not threaten that and does not affect that. Several times I have pointedly made the distinction between marriage in the eyes of the God and marriage in the eyes of the state (legal marriage). Your church understands the difference; it's a pity you don't. It's not just what the Church says it is. It is what SOCIETY ITSELF has always said what it was. It is only extremely recently that the definition was changed. Society determines legal marriage. It doesn't touch what the Church says is marriage. Not all that long ago, some states had a "same race" requirement to get a legal marriage. But when they understood that there was nothing in legal marriage that could justify that restriction it was dropped. Exactly the same thing for legal marriage happened with the "opposite sex" requirement. But the Church doesn't have to change a thing. Nobody is forcing you or your Church to think of those couples as being "married". Your church (absent an annulment) won't marry divorced people, either. But you don't complain about the state granting them legal marriage. You only reserve your complaints when it comes to gay people.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 28, 2023 22:17:21 GMT
As far as you are concerned (and correct me if I am wrong), marriage is what your church says it is. That definition is maintained by the Church, and the Church recognizes as valid whatever marriages fit its own requirements. And the state takes no hand in it. The Church can maintain its definition however it pleases. How the state defines legal marriage for state purposes does not threaten that and does not affect that. Several times I have pointedly made the distinction between marriage in the eyes of the God and marriage in the eyes of the state (legal marriage). Your church understands the difference; it's a pity you don't. It's not just what the Church says it is. It is what SOCIETY ITSELF has always said what it was. It is only extremely recently that the definition was changed. Thats 100% right, and society said that marriage is a property contract, often between people that had 0 chance of procreating at the time. (you do of course realise that frequently pre-pubescent children were married off in these marriages)
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Feb 28, 2023 22:40:43 GMT
It's not just what the Church says it is. It is what SOCIETY ITSELF has always said what it was. It is only extremely recently that the definition was changed. Society determines legal marriage. It doesn't touch what the Church says is marriage. Not all that long ago, some states had a "same race" requirement to get a legal marriage. But when they understood that there was nothing in legal marriage that could justify that restriction it was dropped. Exactly the same thing for legal marriage happened with the "opposite sex" requirement. Nobody is forcing you or your Church to think of those couples as being "married". Your church (absent an annulment) won't marry divorced people, either. But you don't complain about the state granting them legal marriage. You only reserve your complaints when it comes to gay people. I told you, that's coming later, after you get more people converted to Sodom.
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Post by Isapop on Feb 28, 2023 23:20:33 GMT
Society determines legal marriage. It doesn't touch what the Church says is marriage. Not all that long ago, some states had a "same race" requirement to get a legal marriage. But when they understood that there was nothing in legal marriage that could justify that restriction it was dropped. Exactly the same thing for legal marriage happened with the "opposite sex" requirement. Nobody is forcing you or your Church to think of those couples as being "married". Your church (absent an annulment) won't marry divorced people, either. But you don't complain about the state granting them legal marriage. You only reserve your complaints when it comes to gay people. I told you, that's coming later, after you get more people converted to Sodom. Well, when the state tries to force a church to marry a gay couple, we can both protest it together. In the meantime, I'm not going to oppose what is right simply because of the prospect of some other future wrong.
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Post by gadreel on Feb 28, 2023 23:28:21 GMT
I told you, that's coming later, after you get more people converted to Sodom. Well, when the state tries to force a church to marry a gay couple, we can both protest it together. In the meantime, I'm not going to oppose what is right simply because of the prospect of some other future wrong. I think Erjen is concerned that it will go a step further and that straight people will be forced into gay marriages
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