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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2023 5:19:54 GMT
He Punishes the perpetrator for the act though. No, we do, when possible. Just like we collect god's money, build his temples, and recruit his followers. God does nothing, the same as if there were no god. We serve God.
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Post by paulslaugh on Apr 1, 2023 6:04:28 GMT
That's a much later fable added to church beliefs. Its been there since the very beginning. Where is "free will" mentioned in the Bible?
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2023 6:17:49 GMT
Its been there since the very beginning. Where is "free will" mentioned in the Bible? Does it even need to be mentioned? God Gives us the Rules. We have the choice to obey them or disobey. Free will.
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Post by paulslaugh on Apr 1, 2023 6:52:12 GMT
Where is "free will" mentioned in the Bible? Does it even need to be mentioned? God Gives us the Rules. We have the choice to obey them or disobey. Free will. Men gave us these laws based on they think God says and does in the Bible. You do know God has no problem ordering up a genocide on the neighboring tribe which includes killing everyone, includes the babies, and every animal, with the exception of the young virgins whom the Lord’s warriors can do with as they please. Of course, outside of the Bible there no are historical records nor archeological evidence these mighty Israeli slaughters actually took place. 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
Numbers 31:18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.
Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.I don’t think we need these laws made based off these stories.
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Post by Shiloh on Apr 1, 2023 6:52:48 GMT
What would you have God do? Expose the sham of religion. Not protect us from assault?
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Post by paulslaugh on Apr 1, 2023 7:00:46 GMT
Expose the sham of religion. Not protect us from assault? When has God ever done that?
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Post by Shiloh on Apr 1, 2023 8:21:47 GMT
Not protect us from assault? When has God ever done that? Irrelevant. The person I was replying to said God should protect us from assault, but when asked what he would have God do, he said expose the sham of religion.
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Post by paulslaugh on Apr 1, 2023 9:10:47 GMT
When has God ever done that? Irrelevant. The person I was replying to said God should protect us from assault, but when asked what he would have God do, he said expose the sham of religion. The religion isn't really the problem, it's the lack of reason and critical thinking skills that is.
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Post by faustus5 on Apr 1, 2023 11:54:04 GMT
A. That's complete and utter bullshit.
B. "Stories" don't matter. Verifiable evidence from geology does.
A.Google the Great Flood. I can assure you that it is in practically all the world religion's myths. B. I was discussing with paulslaugh God's Laws & the laws of the land. A. It isn't. B. Only geological evidence matters.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2023 13:46:24 GMT
Does it even need to be mentioned? God Gives us the Rules. We have the choice to obey them or disobey. Free will. Men gave us these laws based on they think God says and does in the Bible. You do know God has no problem ordering up a genocide on the neighboring tribe which includes killing everyone, includes the babies, and every animal, with the exception of the young virgins whom the Lord’s warriors can do with as they please. Of course, outside of the Bible there no are historical records nor archeological evidence these mighty Israeli slaughters actually took place. 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
Numbers 31:18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.
Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.I don’t think we need these laws made based off these stories. The Amalekites were actually hellbent on committing genocide against the Children of Israel. It was either a case of kill or be killed.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2023 13:49:20 GMT
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Post by Arlon10 on Apr 1, 2023 14:20:04 GMT
Lately it appears almost everyone is persecuting almost everyone else. if not in one part of the world then in another In a manner of speaking "science" should be more help than it has been. It hasn't because the defenders and promoters of science are not any good at science themselves. They have become just another public nuisance, like we don't have enough public nuisance already. Another reason science hasn't helped is that social issues are beyond its reach.
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Post by paulslaugh on Apr 1, 2023 15:24:49 GMT
Men gave us these laws based on they think God says and does in the Bible. You do know God has no problem ordering up a genocide on the neighboring tribe which includes killing everyone, includes the babies, and every animal, with the exception of the young virgins whom the Lord’s warriors can do with as they please. Of course, outside of the Bible there no are historical records nor archeological evidence these mighty Israeli slaughters actually took place. 1 Samuel 15:3 Now go and strike Amalek and utterly destroy all that he has, and do not spare him; but put to death both man and woman, child and infant, ox and sheep, camel and donkey.’”
Numbers 31:18 But all the girls who have not known man intimately, spare for yourselves.
Hosea 13:16 Samaria will be held guilty, For she has rebelled against her God. They will fall by the sword, Their little ones will be dashed in pieces, And their pregnant women will be ripped open.I don’t think we need these laws made based off these stories. The Amalekites were actually hellbent on committing genocide against the Children of Israel. It was either a case of kill or be killed. The little children too? Which is worse, they preemptively slaughtered and raped an entire tribe like inhuman savages you’d condemn if they were atheists or Muslims, or that the story was totally made up a thousand years after any “Amalak” lived, to make the Israelites history seem badass with the mightiest God around?
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Post by captainbryce on Apr 1, 2023 15:59:17 GMT
There is no such thing as Christian persecution in the United States, the notion of which is patently absurd! Christians have a persecution complex, nothing more. Yep, it’s built right into the religion to expect to be persecuted, because that’s a sign you have God’s true favor. Correct. “Blessed” are those who are persecuted in his name…supposedly! So of course all of them are going to see themselves as “persecuted”, whether they are or not. To do anything less would mean you’re not a “real Christian”. But the fact of the matter is Christian persecution is not a thing in most countries, least of all the United States (where Christians make up the majority of the electorate and the politicians, and where there are laws made making Christians a protected class, as well as promoting Christian values). That doesn’t mean Christian persecution doesn’t exist anywhere in the world - it does! There are places like Pakistan where Christians are indeed a persecuted minority. However, they are no more persecuted than any other minority group. As a whole, it is the largest religion and the least persecuted religion - especially when we compare it to Islam and Judaism.
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Post by paulslaugh on Apr 1, 2023 16:06:41 GMT
Yep, it’s built right into the religion to expect to be persecuted, because that’s a sign you have God’s true favor. Correct. “Blessed” are those who are persecuted in his name…supposedly! So of course all of them are going to see themselves as “persecuted”, whether they are or not. To do anything less would mean you’re not a “real Christian”. But the fact of the matter is Christian persecution is not a thing in most countries, least of all the United States (where Christians make up the majority of the electorate and the politicians, and where there are laws made making Christians a protected class, as well as promoting Christian values). That doesn’t mean Christian persecution doesn’t exist anywhere in the world - it does! There are places like Pakistan where Christians are indeed a persecuted minority. However, they are no more persecuted than any other minority group. As a whole, it is the largest religion and the least persecuted religion - especially when we compare it to Islam and Judaism. Persecution of Christians has historically been no worse than persecution of any other non-Christian religious or atheist group. It has even been not bad considering the wealth and power the churches have always possessed. The Sin of Pride is the most powerful, not the Sins of Lust or Greed.
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Post by clusium on Apr 1, 2023 18:17:21 GMT
The Amalekites were actually hellbent on committing genocide against the Children of Israel. It was either a case of kill or be killed. The little children too? Which is worse, they preemptively slaughtered and raped an entire tribe like inhuman savages you’d condemn if they were atheists or Muslims, or that the story was totally made up a thousand years after any “Amalak” lived, to make the Israelites history seem badass with the mightiest God around? Yes, they went after all of them.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 1, 2023 20:14:37 GMT
Since first few chapters in the Book of Genesis, where God Said not to even the forbidden fruit, but, the first couple did. You confuse pulpit sermons with the Bible. You should read and study the actual Bible.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 1, 2023 20:16:04 GMT
When has God ever done that? Irrelevant. The person I was replying to said God should protect us from assault, but when asked what he would have God do, he said expose the sham of religion. If I said that, why would you ask me? Are you in the habit of asking people a question they just answered?
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Post by Shiloh on Apr 1, 2023 20:24:31 GMT
Irrelevant. The person I was replying to said God should protect us from assault, but when asked what he would have God do, he said expose the sham of religion. If I said that, why would you ask me? Are you in the habit of asking people a question they just answered? The context of the question is what would you have God do to protect us from assault.
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Post by Sarge on Apr 1, 2023 20:25:59 GMT
No, we do, when possible. Just like we collect god's money, build his temples, and recruit his followers. God does nothing, the same as if there were no god. We serve God. Your god is impotent. Your god's chosen were enslaved many times and spent much of history homeless. The minute Moses left for the mountain; the Israelites began worshipping other gods. They weren't afraid of Yahweh. And your god was powerless until Moses returned.
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