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Post by Deleted on Jun 4, 2017 14:48:41 GMT
Think it's quiite accurate.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 4, 2017 14:51:57 GMT
tpfkar Post absurd caricatures and accusations and gloat liberally. Women shouldn't be presidents, prime ministers or chancellors.
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Post by johnblutarsky on Jun 5, 2017 15:49:33 GMT
I'm glad this came from FaceBook. Finally, a legitimate source of information!
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 5, 2017 17:43:00 GMT
I'm glad this came from FaceBook. Finally, a legitimate source of information! Having seen the sites sharing this meme, it doesn't surprise me in the least it came across his feed. It's geared towards that particular demographic.
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Post by Edward-Elizabeth-Hitler on Jun 5, 2017 17:46:45 GMT
I'm glad this came from FaceBook. Finally, a legitimate source of information! Having seen the sites sharing this meme, it doesn't surprise me in the least it came across his feed. It's geared towards that particular demographic. Maybe one of his "moderate Muslim friends" had commented on it.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 5, 2017 17:48:50 GMT
Having seen the sites sharing this meme, it doesn't surprise me in the least it came across his feed. It's geared towards that particular demographic. Maybe one of his "moderate Muslim friends" had commented on it.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 5, 2017 18:01:48 GMT
I'm glad this came from FaceBook. Finally, a legitimate source of information! Having seen the sites sharing this meme, it doesn't surprise me in the least it came across his feed. It's geared towards that particular demographic. ITs a fair reflection of the media though. We always do hear politicians telling us is not all Muslims or nothing to do with Islam or they are not real Muslims. Clinton, Obama, May, Corbyn, Cameron, they've all done it. Jeremy Corbyn did blame British foreign policy for radical Islamists. The police have spoken about being concerned for the Muslim communities in the UK after Manchester and London and police were sent to guard Mosques. Which I understand, but you can see how it looks The rest is true, Obama actually used the crusades in a speech after an Islamic attack. Europe has been doing this for three years now and people are getting sick of platitudes and national flags projected onto monuments.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 5, 2017 18:19:50 GMT
Having seen the sites sharing this meme, it doesn't surprise me in the least it came across his feed. It's geared towards that particular demographic. ITs a fair reflection of the media though. We always do hear politicians telling us is not all Muslims or nothing to do with Islam or they are not real Muslims. Clinton, Obama, May, Corbyn, Cameron, they've all done it. Jeremy Corbyn did blame British foreign policy for radical Islamists. The police have spoken about being concerned for the Muslim communities in the UK after Manchester and London and police were sent to guard Mosques. Which I understand, but you can see how it looks The rest is true, Obama actually used the crusades in a speech after an Islamic attack. Europe has been doing this for three years now and people are getting sick of platitudes and national flags projected onto monuments. "Not all Muslims" is a perfectly valid point. It's the reasoned response to the presence of millions and millions of non-violent Muslims who've been perfectly functional parts of society since long before 9/11. "Nothing to do with Islam" is along the lines of "Obama wants to destroy America!" - finding blow-hard extemists on either side and addressing them as "the other side" (like the above meme) is cartoon thoughts for cartoon people. It's one of the reasons it's difficult to hold any level of reasonable discourse on militant Islam. "Look, it's a serious danger, I just want to differentiate between that and these other Mus--" "CUCK! CUUUUUUUUUUCK!"
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 5, 2017 18:34:23 GMT
ITs a fair reflection of the media though. We always do hear politicians telling us is not all Muslims or nothing to do with Islam or they are not real Muslims. Clinton, Obama, May, Corbyn, Cameron, they've all done it. Jeremy Corbyn did blame British foreign policy for radical Islamists. The police have spoken about being concerned for the Muslim communities in the UK after Manchester and London and police were sent to guard Mosques. Which I understand, but you can see how it looks The rest is true, Obama actually used the crusades in a speech after an Islamic attack. Europe has been doing this for three years now and people are getting sick of platitudes and national flags projected onto monuments. "Not all Muslims" is a perfectly valid point. It's the reasoned response to the presence of millions and millions of non-violent Muslims who've been perfectly functional parts of society since long before 9/11. "Nothing to do with Islam" is along the lines of "Obama wants to destroy America!" - finding blow-hard extemists on either side and addressing them as "the other side" (like the above meme) is cartoon thoughts for cartoon people. It's one of the reasons it's difficult to hold any level of reasonable discourse on militant Islam. "Look, it's a serious danger, I just want to differentiate between that and these other Mus--" "CUCK! CUUUUUUUUUUCK!" One that doesn't need to be made. We all know this. I know the guys in the local petrol station probably aren't going to stab me shouting Allah Akbar! Its incredibly patronising and harms community relations by otherising Muslims. It is also demonstrably false and just makes us think out leaders don't know what they are doing. At least Theresa May named "Radical Islamic terrorism" this week. Step forward. And the same can be said of the "other side" Look, I know not all Muslims are terrorists, but.. "RACIST!!!! ISLAMOPHOBE!!11!!!" Our political leaders need the balls to ignore this and address the problem. Which is Islamic extremism. Which is being fostered in the UK in Mosques, Schools and prisons. We don't need some prat waffling on about "unity" and "love." Europe needs actual leadership right now. Not platitudes and hashtags.
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Post by Aj_June on Jun 5, 2017 18:51:55 GMT
@codyjarrettjr Said: Think it's quiite accurate.
1. This has nothing to do with Islam and he does not represent Islam --> These attacks have to do with Islam and world politics. 2. Claim to be the religion of peace --> Religions are usually filled with propaganda. The lack of major reformation in Islam makes them more prone to forcing their religion on others. 3. It's blowback for the West being in the Middle East. --> The presence of west in Middle East for sure has caused lots of problems and many of these organisations like Al Qeeda and ISIS have been born owing to American intervention. 4. The perpetrator was a mentally ill --> If anyone says that then they are wrong unless the perpetrator was actually mentally ill. It did happen at least once in recent list of attacks that the perpetrator did turn out to be mentally ill. But they don't usually say that. Some people do say that perpetrator had nothing to do with Islam but such people are wrong. 5. It was a ''lone wolf attack''. --> It is possible that there are some lone wolf attacks. 6. It's just part of living in a big city --> The statement made by London's Mayor was careless and stupid. 7. Claim Christians do these things too --> The political leaders of west usually don't say these things. It is mostly internet people who say these things. 8. Those who object are racist bigots. --> I didn't understand this one. Object to what? 9. Change Facebook profile to flag of inflicted country. --> That happens mainly and on widespread scale when the attack happens in a western country. 10. Light some candles, hold a vigil and go on a peace march. --> There is nothing bad about this. 11. Claim Muslims are the real victims. --> This is a wrong view. That said, Muslims are also be victims of Islamic extremism in many cases.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 19:29:00 GMT
"Not all Muslims" is a perfectly valid point. It's the reasoned response to the presence of millions and millions of non-violent Muslims who've been perfectly functional parts of society since long before 9/11. "Nothing to do with Islam" is along the lines of "Obama wants to destroy America!" - finding blow-hard extemists on either side and addressing them as "the other side" (like the above meme) is cartoon thoughts for cartoon people. It's one of the reasons it's difficult to hold any level of reasonable discourse on militant Islam. "Look, it's a serious danger, I just want to differentiate between that and these other Mus--" "CUCK! CUUUUUUUUUUCK!" One that doesn't need to be made. We all know this. I know the guys in the local petrol station probably aren't going to stab me shouting Allah Akbar! Its incredibly patronising and harms community relations by otherising Muslims. It is also demonstrably false and just makes us think out leaders don't know what they are doing. At least Theresa May named "Radical Islamic terrorism" this week. Step forward. And the same can be said of the "other side" Look, I know not all Muslims are terrorists, but.. "RACIST!!!! ISLAMOPHOBE!!11!!!" Our political leaders need the balls to ignore this and address the problem. Which is Islamic extremism. Which is being fostered in the UK in Mosques, Schools and prisons. We don't need some prat waffling on about "unity" and "love." Europe needs actual leadership right now. Not platitudes and hashtags. Well said although it should be fairly obvious by now just what a futile task it is trying to talk sense into the likes of Cuckmachinery on this topic.
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 5, 2017 19:36:37 GMT
"We" may, but the same can't be said across the board - I think you and I often talk across each other because I'm addressing the US environment and you the UK - we just had an incident in Portland that demonstrated perfectly why the distinction should be made. Chatter across rural FB feeds (god bless my family) doesn't make any sort of distinction. I know man, that's why I provided cartoon examples from "both sides". I find "it has nothing to do with Islam" about as accurate as "Hillary ran a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor." You can't divorce the worst practitioners from the religion after the fact. Edit: Poor Cody. He wanted a scrap.
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Post by gadreel on Jun 5, 2017 19:45:35 GMT
Think it's quiite accurate. It's about as accurate as your spelling of quite.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 19:51:10 GMT
Think it's quiite accurate. It's about as accurate as your spelling of quite. Brilliant...
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Post by gadreel on Jun 5, 2017 19:52:14 GMT
It's about as accurate as your spelling of quite. Brilliant... and accurate.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 5, 2017 20:04:36 GMT
See Thor's first reply on the thread.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 5, 2017 20:05:00 GMT
"We" may, but the same can't be said across the board - I think you and I often talk across each other because I'm addressing the US environment and you the UK - we just had an incident in Portland that demonstrated perfectly why the distinction should be made. Chatter across rural FB feeds (god bless my family) doesn't make any sort of distinction. I know man, that's why I provided cartoon examples from "both sides". I find "it has nothing to do with Islam" about as accurate as "Hillary ran a child sex ring out of a pizza parlor." You can't divorce the worst practitioners from the religion after the fact. Edit: Poor Cody. He wanted a scrap. True. In the UK we have significantly more Muslims than the US does. You literally cannot go anywhere in the North of England without meeting them. Some Americans would completely shit themselves if they went somewhere like the Leeds White Rose shopping centre. To me as a Briton, it is baffling to make this not all argument. True and that is something Western leaders are slow to realise. When a man runs over people in a truck then jumps out shouting "this is for Allah" before stabbing people, you need your head deep in the sand to make that argument. Meh, we disagree quite often. We don't fight.
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Post by cupcakes on Jun 5, 2017 20:10:02 GMT
tpfkar And yet you invariably introduce the "notall" to a thread. Except although your wonder twin Cody came into this thread and helpfully called Cinemachinery "Cuckmachinery", what you don't see is "RACIST!!!! ISLAMOPHOBE!!11!!!", except from you. Nor platitudes and hashtags nor insipid accusations and inane tantrums. There is a serious problem within the Muslim Asian community when it comes to the sexual abuse of young girls(mainly white).
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Post by Cinemachinery on Jun 5, 2017 20:11:03 GMT
Cody you'd probably have better luck getting someone more on your level to have a tiff with you on Jezebel.com. Maybe the MotherJones comments section.
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Post by thorshairspray on Jun 5, 2017 20:13:59 GMT
tpfkar And yet you invariably introduce the "notall" to a thread. Except although your wonder twin Cody came into this thread and helpfully called Cinemachinery "Cuckmachinery", what you don't see is "RACIST!!!! ISLAMOPHOBE!!11!!!", except from you. Nor platitudes and hashtags nor insipid accusations and inane tantrums. There is a serious problem within the Muslim Asian community when it comes to the sexual abuse of young girls(mainly white).Nope. It was introduced by the OP. I'll call it out when I see it for the asinine bullshit it is. Why would we expect Cine to react like a retard? Any comment on Cine agreeing with me that people try to shut down debate by shouting "racist" or is it only a problem when I do it? Quite right.
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