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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 16, 2023 2:16:12 GMT
So you didn't enjoy this series, thanks for letting us know. I did, I also enjoyed watching Mission Impossible flop and burn.
I also enjoyed Indiana Jones as well.
If you enjoyed it, would you mind telling us why? And was there anything you didn't like about it? What are your thoughts on the death of Maria Hill, Nick Fury being okay with a Skrull impersonating his wife, Nick Fury not making it to being the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. completely on his own, and the reveal of War Machine being replaced by a Skrull for X number of years, and other aspects that have been met with mixed responses? No blame game and generalizations, please.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 17, 2023 11:17:22 GMT
I did, I also enjoyed watching Mission Impossible flop and burn.
I also enjoyed Indiana Jones as well.
If you enjoyed it, would you mind telling us why? And was there anything you didn't like about it? What are your thoughts on the death of Maria Hill, Nick Fury being okay with a Skrull impersonating his wife, Nick Fury not making it to being the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. completely on his own, and the reveal of War Machine being replaced by a Skrull for X number of years, and other aspects that have been met with mixed responses? No blame game and generalizations, please. Well, I thought it was too long and they dragged out some of the chase scenes a little too much. Reminded me of the minecart chase scenes in Temple of Doom, too drawn out. Last Crusade came close with the boat chase scene but it didn't go on as long. Also, I wish the villains got cooler nastier death scenes.
Oh wait, are you talking about Secret Invasion? I liked seeing Fury in a new environment where he went out in the field more, I loved his relationship and chemistry with Talos and Olivia Coleman. I liked how the whole situation with the Skrulls sets up President Ross and the eventual mutant fear.
A Skrull didn't impersonate his wife, he was married to a Skrull and always knew she was a Skrull.
Uh, he was a Spy Boss who had assets and gained prominence based on using his assets...the way any Spy Boss would. It's not like Fury literally did everything himself
War Machine being replaced? No different from how the comic version used the Skrulls to bring back dead characters or revert characterizations on characters.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 17, 2023 16:41:06 GMT
If you enjoyed it, would you mind telling us why? And was there anything you didn't like about it? What are your thoughts on the death of Maria Hill, Nick Fury being okay with a Skrull impersonating his wife, Nick Fury not making it to being the Director of S.H.I.E.L.D. completely on his own, and the reveal of War Machine being replaced by a Skrull for X number of years, and other aspects that have been met with mixed responses? No blame game and generalizations, please. Well, I thought it was too long and they dragged out some of the chase scenes a little too much. Reminded me of the minecart chase scenes in Temple of Doom, too drawn out. Last Crusade came close with the boat chase scene but it didn't go on as long. Also, I wish the villains got cooler nastier death scenes.
Oh wait, are you talking about Secret Invasion? I liked seeing Fury in a new environment where he went out in the field more, I loved his relationship and chemistry with Talos and Olivia Coleman. I liked how the whole situation with the Skrulls sets up President Ross and the eventual mutant fear.
A Skrull didn't impersonate his wife, he was married to a Skrull and always knew she was a Skrull.
Uh, he was a Spy Boss who had assets and gained prominence based on using his assets...the way any Spy Boss would. It's not like Fury literally did everything himself
War Machine being replaced? No different from how the comic version used the Skrulls to bring back dead characters or revert characterizations on characters.
Was there anything in particular that wasn't to your fancy? Would be it be wrong of me assume that Maria Hill's death was one thing you didn't like about the series since you didn't mention it? Per agreement, Varra assumed the identity of Doctor Priscilla Davis and pretended to be her for years, lying to her husband and the family of Priscilla. So, it is a yes-and-no with regard to Fury's wife being impersonated by a Skrull. "the way any Spy Boss would" - any examples to support your argument? Since you don't like the original comics storyline, why was War Machine being replaced in this better executed? What if it retcons earlier entries?
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Post by Sam Raimi on Aug 17, 2023 17:34:01 GMT
Also, that means the Skrull imposter was actually on Thanos's farm planet, and failed to mention it to his homeless Skrull compatriots. It ruins every Rhodey scene since Civil War, and creates enormous plot holes like the one I mentioned. Everything about this show was terrible. And we know now that a large portion of Armor Wars is going to be spent on a James Rhodes who has to adjust to living in the present and learning about everything that came about when he was held prisoner. It is so lazy. The prospect of this has made my interest in Armor Wars plummet to zero.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Aug 18, 2023 3:28:35 GMT
formersamhmd must have really not enjoyed this series, and I am going to guess most if not all recent Hollywood offerings, given how desperate they are to entertain themselves on places like this. I did enjoy Tom Cruise's Ego get annihilated by Barbie. And I enjoyed your ego getting nuked by Christopher Nolan’s latest masterpiece.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 19, 2023 3:35:12 GMT
Well, I thought it was too long and they dragged out some of the chase scenes a little too much. Reminded me of the minecart chase scenes in Temple of Doom, too drawn out. Last Crusade came close with the boat chase scene but it didn't go on as long. Also, I wish the villains got cooler nastier death scenes.
Oh wait, are you talking about Secret Invasion? I liked seeing Fury in a new environment where he went out in the field more, I loved his relationship and chemistry with Talos and Olivia Coleman. I liked how the whole situation with the Skrulls sets up President Ross and the eventual mutant fear.
A Skrull didn't impersonate his wife, he was married to a Skrull and always knew she was a Skrull.
Uh, he was a Spy Boss who had assets and gained prominence based on using his assets...the way any Spy Boss would. It's not like Fury literally did everything himself
War Machine being replaced? No different from how the comic version used the Skrulls to bring back dead characters or revert characterizations on characters.
Was there anything in particular that wasn't to your fancy? Would be it be wrong of me assume that Maria Hill's death was one thing you didn't like about the series since you didn't mention it? Per agreement, Varra assumed the identity of Doctor Priscilla Davis and pretended to be her for years, lying to her husband and the family of Priscilla. So, it is a yes-and-no with regard to Fury's wife being impersonated by a Skrull. "the way any Spy Boss would" - any examples to support your argument? Since you don't like the original comics storyline, why was War Machine being replaced in this better executed? What if it retcons earlier entries? I was a little annoyed, but it wasn't a straight up fridging because it wasn't to motivate Nick so much as to get him in trouble.
She did it at Priscilla's request and Fury knew she was a Skrull all along so he married the Skrull, not Dr Davis.
Okay, do you think M in James Bond did every mission he/she was assigned all on their own without any help and that was how they ended up as Head of MI-6? No, I don't think so.
So far, it retcons nothing. And Secret Invasion was used to bring back dead characters because writers weren't happy they were dead, as opposed to just showing that an alive character was impersonated for a relatively short time.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 19, 2023 3:35:39 GMT
I did enjoy Tom Cruise's Ego get annihilated by Barbie. And I enjoyed your ego getting nuked by Christopher Nolan’s latest masterpiece. Oppenheimer? It's okay, but it's a pretty standard biopic.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 19, 2023 6:13:28 GMT
Was there anything in particular that wasn't to your fancy? Would be it be wrong of me assume that Maria Hill's death was one thing you didn't like about the series since you didn't mention it? Per agreement, Varra assumed the identity of Doctor Priscilla Davis and pretended to be her for years, lying to her husband and the family of Priscilla. So, it is a yes-and-no with regard to Fury's wife being impersonated by a Skrull. "the way any Spy Boss would" - any examples to support your argument? Since you don't like the original comics storyline, why was War Machine being replaced in this better executed? What if it retcons earlier entries? I was a little annoyed, but it wasn't a straight up fridging because it wasn't to motivate Nick so much as to get him in trouble.
She did it at Priscilla's request and Fury knew she was a Skrull all along so he married the Skrull, not Dr Davis.
Okay, do you think M in James Bond did every mission he/she was assigned all on their own without any help and that was how they ended up as Head of MI-6? No, I don't think so.
So far, it retcons nothing. And Secret Invasion was used to bring back dead characters because writers weren't happy they were dead, as opposed to just showing that an alive character was impersonated for a relatively short time.
Will you miss the character? A yes-and-no situation, like I described it. It raises a question though, if Fury knew all along, why wait so long to confront her about it? Given how we know very little about the people who have held the title of M in the James Bond franchise, there is really no right or wrong answer because they're days out in the field were quite a long time before Bond became 007, the one M we know the most about is Gareth Malloy (Ralph Fiennes) who had been the Chairman of the Intelligence and Security Committe and prior to that was a former lieutenant colonel in the British Army. Furthermore, S.H.I.E.L.D isn't MI6, and Nick Fury has little in common with M. So far, there is no definitive answer as to what it does and doesn't retcon. It's strongly implied that Rhodes sometime in the third act to Civil War.
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Post by Sam Raimi on Aug 19, 2023 6:38:03 GMT
And I enjoyed your ego getting nuked by Christopher Nolan’s latest masterpiece. Oppenheimer? It's okay, but it's a pretty standard biopic. Maybe, if you’re ashamed if nukes.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 24, 2023 19:59:46 GMT
I was a little annoyed, but it wasn't a straight up fridging because it wasn't to motivate Nick so much as to get him in trouble.
She did it at Priscilla's request and Fury knew she was a Skrull all along so he married the Skrull, not Dr Davis.
Okay, do you think M in James Bond did every mission he/she was assigned all on their own without any help and that was how they ended up as Head of MI-6? No, I don't think so.
So far, it retcons nothing. And Secret Invasion was used to bring back dead characters because writers weren't happy they were dead, as opposed to just showing that an alive character was impersonated for a relatively short time.
Will you miss the character? A yes-and-no situation, like I described it. It raises a question though, if Fury knew all along, why wait so long to confront her about it? Given how we know very little about the people who have held the title of M in the James Bond franchise, there is really no right or wrong answer because they're days out in the field were quite a long time before Bond became 007, the one M we know the most about is Gareth Malloy (Ralph Fiennes) who had been the Chairman of the Intelligence and Security Committe and prior to that was a former lieutenant colonel in the British Army. Furthermore, S.H.I.E.L.D isn't MI6, and Nick Fury has little in common with M. So far, there is no definitive answer as to what it does and doesn't retcon. It's strongly implied that Rhodes sometime in the third act to Civil War. A little.
He didn't have to confront her about it, he was just asking a personal question that came to mind at the moment.
So double standards, got it.
We honestly don't know yet and probably won't know until Armor Wars. What happened to the virtue of patience?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 24, 2023 23:06:29 GMT
Will you miss the character? A yes-and-no situation, like I described it. It raises a question though, if Fury knew all along, why wait so long to confront her about it? Given how we know very little about the people who have held the title of M in the James Bond franchise, there is really no right or wrong answer because they're days out in the field were quite a long time before Bond became 007, the one M we know the most about is Gareth Malloy (Ralph Fiennes) who had been the Chairman of the Intelligence and Security Committe and prior to that was a former lieutenant colonel in the British Army. Furthermore, S.H.I.E.L.D isn't MI6, and Nick Fury has little in common with M. So far, there is no definitive answer as to what it does and doesn't retcon. It's strongly implied that Rhodes sometime in the third act to Civil War. A little.
He didn't have to confront her about it, he was just asking a personal question that came to mind at the moment.
So double standards, got it.
We honestly don't know yet and probably won't know until Armor Wars. What happened to the virtue of patience?
Good luck trying to make a convincing argument to people that this is A+ screenwriting. So, bait for another endless trap of a debate? Got it. Thank you for another illustration to everyone here that the series wasn't really to your fancy, otherwise you put in a stronger effort to defend it and wouldn't be so desperate to troll for amusement. When most of your output has been lackluster and a reveal is met with more criticism than praise the "virtue of patience" isn't something a lot of consumers will have, it isn't 2019 anymore where a Marvel Studios production was guaranteed to be either really good to great.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 27, 2023 3:11:39 GMT
A little.
He didn't have to confront her about it, he was just asking a personal question that came to mind at the moment.
So double standards, got it.
We honestly don't know yet and probably won't know until Armor Wars. What happened to the virtue of patience?
Good luck trying to make a convincing argument to people that this is A+ screenwriting. So, bait for another endless trap of a debate? Got it. Thank you for another illustration to everyone here that the series wasn't really to your fancy, otherwise you put in a stronger effort to defend it and wouldn't be so desperate to troll for amusement. When most of your output has been lackluster and a reveal is met with more criticism than praise the "virtue of patience" isn't something a lot of consumers will have, it isn't 2019 anymore where a Marvel Studios production was guaranteed to be either really good to great. It's about as A+ as most of Phases 1 and 2 were, once you take off the rose tinted glasses.
More like I know it's starting to be pointless because this forum has written off the MCU and go into every new project expecting to hate everything now.
Funny, when the comics did similar reveals no one complained like this. Double Standards are alive and well.
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Post by Power Ranger on Aug 27, 2023 7:09:13 GMT
Good luck trying to make a convincing argument to people that this is A+ screenwriting. So, bait for another endless trap of a debate? Got it. Thank you for another illustration to everyone here that the series wasn't really to your fancy, otherwise you put in a stronger effort to defend it and wouldn't be so desperate to troll for amusement. When most of your output has been lackluster and a reveal is met with more criticism than praise the "virtue of patience" isn't something a lot of consumers will have, it isn't 2019 anymore where a Marvel Studios production was guaranteed to be either really good to great. It's about as A+ as most of Phases 1 and 2 were, once you take off the rose tinted glasses.
More like I know it's starting to be pointless because this forum has written off the MCU and go into every new project expecting to hate everything now.
Funny, when the comics did similar reveals no one complained like this. Double Standards are alive and well.
Yeah, most have written off the MCU. But that happens with every franchise when it has one too many bad instalments.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Aug 27, 2023 11:14:27 GMT
Thats what happens when a franchise goes on for over a decade. Eventually the quality takes a hit and people will criticized it.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 27, 2023 19:12:04 GMT
Good luck trying to make a convincing argument to people that this is A+ screenwriting. So, bait for another endless trap of a debate? Got it. Thank you for another illustration to everyone here that the series wasn't really to your fancy, otherwise you put in a stronger effort to defend it and wouldn't be so desperate to troll for amusement. When most of your output has been lackluster and a reveal is met with more criticism than praise the "virtue of patience" isn't something a lot of consumers will have, it isn't 2019 anymore where a Marvel Studios production was guaranteed to be either really good to great. It's about as A+ as most of Phases 1 and 2 were, once you take off the rose tinted glasses.
More like I know it's starting to be pointless because this forum has written off the MCU and go into every new project expecting to hate everything now.
Funny, when the comics did similar reveals no one complained like this. Double Standards are alive and well.
"It's about as..." is a weak argument, as is "double standards". If you're serious about defending this series, prove how it is good screenwriting, and as good as the writing of Phases 1 and 2 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. If you truly believe the series was good and are genuine in your argument, you wouldn't give a poor comparison that can be easily challenged and dismissed. And in this thread alone you have people who expressed interest in this particular installment but after viewing had criticism of it, point to where anyone present said outright that it was going to be a terrible product. We're waiting... Switch "double standards" with "subjectivity". Chances are there are people out there who didn't like the reveals done in the comic book storyline also, and if they did there but not here then they should have their reasons for such.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 30, 2023 14:11:33 GMT
It's about as A+ as most of Phases 1 and 2 were, once you take off the rose tinted glasses.
More like I know it's starting to be pointless because this forum has written off the MCU and go into every new project expecting to hate everything now.
Funny, when the comics did similar reveals no one complained like this. Double Standards are alive and well.
Yeah, most have written off the MCU. But that happens with every franchise when it has one too many bad instalments. No, they wrote off the MCU the second it started telling stories about women and nonwhites. Which says a lot about the "fans".
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 30, 2023 14:15:06 GMT
It's about as A+ as most of Phases 1 and 2 were, once you take off the rose tinted glasses.
More like I know it's starting to be pointless because this forum has written off the MCU and go into every new project expecting to hate everything now.
Funny, when the comics did similar reveals no one complained like this. Double Standards are alive and well.
"It's about as..." is a weak argument, as is "double standards". If you're serious about defending this series, prove how it is good screenwriting, and as good as the writing of Phases 1 and 2 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. If you truly believe the series was good and are genuine in your argument, you wouldn't give a poor comparison that can be easily challenged and dismissed. And in this thread alone you have people who expressed interest in this particular installment but after viewing had criticism of it, point to where anyone present said outright that it was going to be a terrible product. We're waiting... Switch "double standards" with "subjectivity". Chances are there are people out there who didn't like the reveals done in the comic book storyline also, and if they did there but not here then they should have their reasons for such. Their reasons for being fine with the comics but not the show are simply double standards, is all. Unpleasable lot.
Okay, I thought the Skrulls not being A-Okay with being used for decades was as good as anything about the Asgardians Mythology in Phase 1 and 2. I thought the interplay between Fury and Talos was great, on par with RDJ's chemistry with the cast in Phases 1 and 2. I liked how it didn't end all wrapped up in a neat little package and this will lead to increasing hostility among humans which will play into X-Men. Long-reaching consequences that Phases 1 and 2 failed to deliver on.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 30, 2023 20:41:42 GMT
"It's about as..." is a weak argument, as is "double standards". If you're serious about defending this series, prove how it is good screenwriting, and as good as the writing of Phases 1 and 2 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. If you truly believe the series was good and are genuine in your argument, you wouldn't give a poor comparison that can be easily challenged and dismissed. And in this thread alone you have people who expressed interest in this particular installment but after viewing had criticism of it, point to where anyone present said outright that it was going to be a terrible product. We're waiting... Switch "double standards" with "subjectivity". Chances are there are people out there who didn't like the reveals done in the comic book storyline also, and if they did there but not here then they should have their reasons for such. Their reasons for being fine with the comics but not the show are simply double standards, is all. Unpleasable lot.
Okay, I thought the Skrulls not being A-Okay with being used for decades was as good as anything about the Asgardians Mythology in Phase 1 and 2. I thought the interplay between Fury and Talos was great, on par with RDJ's chemistry with the cast in Phases 1 and 2. I liked how it didn't end all wrapped up in a neat little package and this will lead to increasing hostility among humans which will play into X-Men. Long-reaching consequences that Phases 1 and 2 failed to deliver on.
But if there is something presented in adaptation that you don't like that was done similarly in the source material is it still a case of being double standard, or no? No, I was talking specifically about Fury knowing his wife has been a Skrull the whole time and didn't confront her about it till recent events. How is that type of screenwriting as good as the quality of what was presented in Phases 1 and 2 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 30, 2023 20:53:07 GMT
Yeah, most have written off the MCU. But that happens with every franchise when it has one too many bad instalments. No, they wrote off the MCU the second it started telling stories about women and nonwhites. Which says a lot about the "fans". Quite a claim to make, care to explain why there wa demand for a Black Widow movie as soon as The Avengers (2012) came out, why Jessica Jones received three seasons of television, Luke Cage being streamed so much that it temporarily crashed Netflix, the immediate praise of Black Panther in Captain America: Civil War and the critical and commercial success of his own solo movie?
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 30, 2023 23:45:48 GMT
Their reasons for being fine with the comics but not the show are simply double standards, is all. Unpleasable lot.
Okay, I thought the Skrulls not being A-Okay with being used for decades was as good as anything about the Asgardians Mythology in Phase 1 and 2. I thought the interplay between Fury and Talos was great, on par with RDJ's chemistry with the cast in Phases 1 and 2. I liked how it didn't end all wrapped up in a neat little package and this will lead to increasing hostility among humans which will play into X-Men. Long-reaching consequences that Phases 1 and 2 failed to deliver on.
But if there is something presented in adaptation that you don't like that was done similarly in the source material is it still a case of being double standard, or no? No, I was talking specifically about Fury knowing his wife has been a Skrull the whole time and didn't confront her about it till recent events. How is that type of screenwriting as good as the quality of what was presented in Phases 1 and 2 of the Marvel Cinematic Universe. Er, how is it bad screenwriting? He simply decided to ask her outright why and how she adopted her human form. It's not like she was hiding being a Skrull from him.
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