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Post by chalk2 on Jun 9, 2017 2:13:44 GMT
Bullocks to the Wonder Woman nay-sayers.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2017 2:52:56 GMT
Bullocks to the Wonder Woman nay-sayers. Oh it's a good film. It's just pretty good, and not some transcendent TDK, Avengers, Civil War type of film. It's First Avenger, Doctor Strange level, and I'd say that's being a tad generous.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 9, 2017 4:25:50 GMT
Bullocks to the Wonder Woman nay-sayers. Oh it's a good film. It's just pretty good, and not some transcendent TDK, Avengers, Civil War type of film. It's First Avenger, Doctor Strange level, and I'd say that's being a tad generous. Wrong again, moron. Wonder Woman has a higher metacritic score than Avengers, Civil War, First Avenger, and Doctor Strange.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 9, 2017 4:36:05 GMT
So yeah,you don't have an opinion on BVS,just what the others thought of it. At least I unfortunately saw Antman. Ant Man was great, and I've seen plenty of clips of BVS in a number of scenes. Honestly it's never seemed interesting enough to want to watch it. The whole Batman fighting Superman thing was never that appealing. In fairness Marvel had Silver Surfer fight Spiderman once, and that also seemed pretty silly. I would never want that in a film. It's just a boring fight. Was anybody surprised that kryptonite got involved? It's just a tired writing crutch. And how many times can they put Lex in a film. Aren't there any other Superman villains? I just wasn't interested.
But I am interested in addressing the actual film and getting your thoughts on several issues from Wonder Woman, such as
- Was there a reason that Ares made his traditional armor out of scrap metal at the end, or was it just fan service? He didn't need the armor right? It never helped him did it?
- Was there actually a point in keeping Diana's origin from her forever? Why did her "mom" say she must never know. I get that there's a thin reason that she wanted to protect her, but she knew full well that Zeus himself put her there specifically for that reason. So she's just kind of being annoying not to tell her and prepare her for what Zeus himself intended her to do. Or did I miss something?
- Nobody seemed all that impressed with her. She jumped to the top of a bell tower and imploded it on contact and she literally only got a few handshakes for it. I don't think anybody bought the Zeus made her out of clay story for a second, but I think I would have at least asked her for more details about that story once I saw her do that.
- If Ares was that powerful, and that influential, why did he even introduce himself to Diana? Why not move on and keep sowing war to the point she can't keep up. She'd never figure it out. She didn't even suspect him, she thought she'd killed him actually, and furthermore she was in a state of complete doubt about humanity. She thought mankind was hopeless. She was basically on his side at that point. He had her broken. And then he revealed himself, restoring her motivation. I know they needed a final battle, but this didn't seemlike a clever tactical move. I didn't buy that he needed her help for anything, and the more I think about it, she didn't win. She didn't figure out anything. He basically sunk the eight ball and then scratched.
- I also thought the final battle lost of bit of weight by virtue of not knowing what Ares' powers were. So he's got Loki like ghost ability, but then never really uses that and instead has Phoenix level telekenetic powers. Now that was awesome, and then he's got some force lightening as well. The thing was he seemed completely immortal, and you don't really feel he has any vulnerability, so when she hits him with his own lightening I kinda said "oh, i guess that killed him." I think the reason is, the sword would have felt like the obvious pay off weapon you were waiting for her to use on him, but then they pull that swerve that she herself is the weapon. I actually really liked that twist. But then if she's the weapon, how does she kill him? Can she just tickle him to death because she's the weapon or does she have to absorb his force lightening to kill him? IDK it just sort of happened without any real foreshadowing or explanation. If he hadn't have used force lightening what would she have done?
- One other kind of curious thing was her power growth. I've compared this film to being the love child of First Avenger and Thor 1, and I think that even applies to her power level throughout the film. She's basically Steve Rogers for most of the movie, and then she hulks up (pun intended), and morphs into Thor. That's all well and good, but none of it seems to surprise her in the slightest. She isn't in awe of what she did, or impressed, or curious, or anything. She just lifts a tank and tosses it casually to the side and says "tank lifting, sure, whatevs." I felt similarly when she started digging into the stone wall of the tower near the beginning. Did she know she could do this? How was she not crushing her amazon opponents in battle is she did. And if she did, why again was the secret of who she was such a big deal. She already knew the clay story right? What's the difference if she knew the rest? Clearly she must have known she was far different than her non bare hand rock crushing friends right?
I'm not aware of similar types of oversights in First Avenger which is why I say it's better, but I'd be happy to discuss it.
Antman is unbelievably uninteresting and has the worst attempt at humor in a MCU movie. I won't adress any WW issues with you. Neither will i adress issues from TFA just for you to say they're fine and exactly how it should have been
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2017 4:36:18 GMT
Wrong again, moron. Wonder Woman has a higher metacritic score than Avengers, Civil War, First Avenger, Doctor Strange, and every other MCU film ever made. Yeah I saw that number.
So instead of just quoting numbers, can you actually articulate what makes it any better?
For instance I've highlighted several concerns with the film and I haven't had one person address them in the past week yet. Would you care to? I don't see any of these sorts of issues with First Avenger which is why I say it's the better film.
- Was there a reason that Ares made his traditional armor out of scrap metal at the end, or was it just fan service? He didn't need the armor right? It never helped him did it?
- Was there actually a point in keeping Diana's origin from her forever? Why did her "mom" say she must never know. I get that there's a thin reason that she wanted to protect her, but she knew full well that Zeus himself put her there specifically for that reason. So she's just kind of being annoying not to tell her and prepare her for what Zeus himself intended her to do. Or did I miss something?
- Nobody seemed all that impressed with her. She jumped to the top of a bell tower and imploded it on contact and she literally only got a few handshakes for it. I don't think anybody bought the Zeus made her out of clay story for a second, but I think I would have at least asked her for more details about that story once I saw her do that.
- If Ares was that powerful, and that influential, why did he even introduce himself to Diana? Why not move on and keep sowing war to the point she can't keep up. She'd never figure it out. She didn't even suspect him, she thought she'd killed him actually, and furthermore she was in a state of complete doubt about humanity. She thought mankind was hopeless. She was basically on his side at that point. He had her broken. And then he revealed himself, restoring her motivation. I know they needed a final battle, but this didn't seemlike a clever tactical move. I didn't buy that he needed her help for anything, and the more I think about it, she didn't win. She didn't figure out anything. He basically sunk the eight ball and then scratched.
- I also thought the final battle lost of bit of weight by virtue of not knowing what Ares' powers were. So he's got Loki like ghost ability, but then never really uses that and instead has Phoenix level telekenetic powers. Now that was awesome, and then he's got some force lightening as well. The thing was he seemed completely immortal, and you don't really feel he has any vulnerability, so when she hits him with his own lightening I kinda said "oh, i guess that killed him." I think the reason is, the sword would have felt like the obvious pay off weapon you were waiting for her to use on him, but then they pull that swerve that she herself is the weapon. I actually really liked that twist. But then if she's the weapon, how does she kill him? Can she just tickle him to death because she's the weapon or does she have to absorb his force lightening to kill him? IDK it just sort of happened without any real foreshadowing or explanation. If he hadn't have used force lightening what would she have done?
- One other kind of curious thing was her power growth. I've compared this film to being the love child of First Avenger and Thor 1, and I think that even applies to her power level throughout the film. She's basically Steve Rogers for most of the movie, and then she hulks up (pun intended), and morphs into Thor. That's all well and good, but none of it seems to surprise her in the slightest. She isn't in awe of what she did, or impressed, or curious, or anything. She just lifts a tank and tosses it casually to the side and says "tank lifting, sure, whatevs." I felt similarly when she started digging into the stone wall of the tower near the beginning. Did she know she could do this? How was she not crushing her amazon opponents in battle is she did. And if she did, why again was the secret of who she was such a big deal. She already knew the clay story right? What's the difference if she knew the rest? Clearly she must have known she was far different than her non bare hand rock crushing friends right?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2017 4:41:41 GMT
Antman is unbelievably uninteresting and has the worst attempt at humor in a MCU movie. I won't adress any WW issues with you. Neither will i adress issues from TFA just for you to say they're fine and exactly how it should have been Ant Man was a huge success. Great stuff.
And it's fine if you don't want to try to excuse these things, but don't complain when I say it's not the Oscar bait some people are trying to sell it as. It's because of these types of issues, and I agree it's a good film, it's just getting overhyped at the moment. There's nothing wrong with being in the class of First Avenger and Thor.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 9, 2017 4:46:10 GMT
Wrong again, moron. Wonder Woman has a higher metacritic score than Avengers, Civil War, First Avenger, Doctor Strange, and every other MCU film ever made. Yeah I saw that number.
So instead of just quoting numbers, can you actually articulate what makes it any better? I don't have to. The critics have spoken. Deal with it.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 9, 2017 4:47:48 GMT
I'm not saying it's Oscar material, but neither are MCU movies.
See how you always reply? "Antman was a huge succes.Great stuff" No reason to keep arguing with you. or Weirdraptor
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Post by miike80 on Jun 9, 2017 4:50:05 GMT
I'm not saying it's Oscar material, but neither are MCU movies. Even tho you see them as the greatest cinematic achievement See how you always reply? "Antman was a huge succes.Great stuff" No reason to keep arguing with you. or Weirdraptor
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 9, 2017 4:50:09 GMT
Oh it's a good film. It's just pretty good, and not some transcendent TDK, Avengers, Civil War type of film. It's First Avenger, Doctor Strange level, and I'd say that's being a tad generous. Wrong again, moron. Wonder Woman has a higher metacritic score than Avengers, Civil War, First Avenger, Doctor Strange, and every other MCU film ever made. It also has a higher metacritic score than Batman Begins, which makes it highly suspect.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 9, 2017 4:52:40 GMT
Wrong again, moron. Wonder Woman has a higher metacritic score than Avengers, Civil War, First Avenger, Doctor Strange, and every other MCU film ever made. It also has a higher metacritic score than Batman Begins, which makes it highly suspect. Not really. BB has always been heavily overrated.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 9, 2017 5:03:31 GMT
I'm not saying it's Oscar material, but neither are MCU movies. See how you always reply? "Antman was a huge succes.Great stuff" No reason to keep arguing with you. or Weirdraptor Neither is most of the shit that do get Oscars these days. Aw, is somebody unable to handle that most people actually like Ant-Man. You need a diaper change?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2017 5:05:44 GMT
I don't have to. The critics have spoken. Deal with it. I have dealt with it.
Now do you have anything to say for yourself, or is pointing to numbers all you've got? So far nobody here is willing to address the concerns I posted showing why it's not as good as films like First Avenger, and if you disagree then let's discuss it. I don't know why you keep pointing to numbers.
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Post by northernlad on Jun 9, 2017 5:12:03 GMT
I don't have to. The critics have spoken. Deal with it. I have dealt with it.
Now do you have anything to say for yourself, or is pointing to numbers all you've got?
Wow! What do you want people to say to you? You've proven again and again that anything said to you...you inevitably disagree with them. There's really no point in it. You've stated your case...others have stated theirs. So seriously...what do YOU want fans of this wonderful movie to say to you? We're clearly not going to convince of anything. Geez...you really come across as a bit dense. No offense.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 9, 2017 5:35:27 GMT
Wow! What do you want people to say to you? You've proven again and again that anything said to you...you inevitably disagree with them. There's really no point in it. You've stated your case...others have stated theirs. So seriously...what do YOU want fans of this wonderful movie to say to you? We're clearly not going to convince of anything. Geez...you really come across as a bit dense. No offense. Discuss the issues I highlighted that make the film less than First Avenger. You come across as evasive. No offense.
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 9, 2017 5:39:08 GMT
Oh it's a good film. It's just pretty good, and not some transcendent TDK, Avengers, Civil War type of film. It's First Avenger, Doctor Strange level, and I'd say that's being a tad generous. Wrong again, moron. Wonder Woman has a higher metacritic score than Avengers, Civil War, First Avenger, and Doctor Strange. ArArArchStanton just got owned!
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Post by miike80 on Jun 9, 2017 6:20:22 GMT
I'm not saying it's Oscar material, but neither are MCU movies. See how you always reply? "Antman was a huge succes.Great stuff" No reason to keep arguing with you. or Weirdraptor Neither is most of the shit that do get Oscars these days. Aw, is somebody unable to handle that most people actually like Ant-Man. You need a diaper change? Not a fan of oscar winners in the past years, mostly i was supporting movies that are nominated but not end up winning. But still they're way better than most comic book movies. I don't give a fuck if people like Ant Man, i don't and that's it. You two, on the other hand seem to mind that people like Wonder Woman more than you think it's ok
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 9, 2017 7:28:09 GMT
I don't give a fuck if people like Ant Man, i don't and that's it. Ant-Man was really bad. The movie was boring and forgettable and none of the jokes were funny. It was so bad that they tried to use the same bad joke twice ("Baskin-Robbins always finds out") and it wasn't funny either time. You two, on the other hand seem to mind that people like Wonder Woman more than you think it's ok The reason why ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are whining and throwing such a hissy fit that so many people like Wonder Woman is because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they're be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman.
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Post by miike80 on Jun 9, 2017 8:04:11 GMT
I don't give a fuck if people like Ant Man, i don't and that's it. Ant-Man was really bad. The movie was boring and forgettable and none of the jokes were funny. It was so bad that they tried to use the same bad joke twice ("Baskin-Robbins always finds out") and it wasn't funny either time. You two, on the other hand seem to mind that people like Wonder Woman more than you think it's ok The reason why ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are whining and throwing such a hissy fit that so many people like Wonder Woman is because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they're be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman. What's interesting is that Ant Man( that i consider the worst MCU movie) once had a chance to be a great movie. That is when Edgar Wright was involved and if he were to have creative freedom
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Post by DC-Fan on Jun 9, 2017 8:12:10 GMT
Ant-Man was really bad. The movie was boring and forgettable and none of the jokes were funny. It was so bad that they tried to use the same bad joke twice ("Baskin-Robbins always finds out") and it wasn't funny either time. The reason why ArArArchStanton, formersamhmd, sostie, and weirdraptor are whining and throwing such a hissy fit that so many people like Wonder Woman is because Wonder Woman has now set an incredibly high bar for Captain Marvel. Movie watchers are now going to expect Captain Marvel to be as great as Wonder Woman so they're be extremely disappointed when Captain Marvel fails to reach that incredibly high bar set by Wonder Woman. What's interesting is that Ant Man( that i consider the worst MCU movie) once had a chance to be a great movie. That is when Edgar Wright was involved and if he were to have creative freedom Creative freedom and MCU are two phrases that are a contradiction. MCU dictator Kevin Feige runs a tight ship and doesn't allow MCU directors to have any creative freedom at all. That's why Patty Jenkins left Thor: The Dark World. Because Fiege wouldn't allow her to have the creative freedom to make a better movie. So Thor: The Dark World turned out to be a disappointment and Wonder Woman became a great movie.
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