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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 6, 2017 11:48:53 GMT
It's enjoyable and definitely a much better direction for DC, I'm even interested in what they do with a sequel for it.
But if you think Wonder Woman is better than even the early MCU films like First Avenger, I would challenge you to explain that. To me First Avenger is easily the better film, and I don't see anything about Wonder Woman that exceeds it in any way, but I would love the challenge of debating that stance. |
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Post by miike80 on Jun 6, 2017 12:12:15 GMT
Actually i really like the First Avenger and the Cap America trilogy(minus the airport scene), and i think it has just the right amount of levity and seriousness just like WW. So, in that regard i like it as much as Wonderwoman. But other than my top 3 MCU movies and First Avenger i like Wonderwoman more. But just to get on the discussion: i like the action scenes in WW better than those in First Avenger  |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 6, 2017 12:15:32 GMT
Actually i really like the First Avenger and the Cap America trilogy(minus the airport scene), and i think it has just the right amount of levity and seriousness just like WW. So, in that regard i like it as much as Wonderwoman. But other than my top 3 MCU movies and First Avenger i like Wonderwoman more. But just to get on the discussion: i like the action scenes in WW better than those in First Avenger I'm not sure what your top 3 are, but I'd say First Avenger, Iron Man, Thor, Avengers, Winter Soldier, Guardians 1, Ultron, Civil War, Doctor Strange, and Guardians 2 are all easily better, and I might be inclined to make a case for others, but I'll leave it at those because I don't see what the debate would be honestly. |
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Post by miike80 on Jun 6, 2017 12:27:53 GMT
My top 3 are Avengers 1, The winter Soldier and Guardians 1.Don't really care for any Thor movie or Dr Strange from your list but it's cool that you liked them
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Post by Winter_King on Jun 6, 2017 13:11:11 GMT
I haven't seen Wonder Woman yet but I'm expecting it to be better than the First Avenger because I wasn't a fan of that film.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 6, 2017 13:39:00 GMT
Critics and audiences agree that it's better.
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Post by northernlad on Jun 6, 2017 13:57:26 GMT
It's actually better than the First Avenger. Everyone pretty much universally agrees.
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Post by dnno1 on Jun 6, 2017 14:03:02 GMT
It's enjoyable and definitely a much better direction for DC, I'm even interested in what they do with a sequel for it.
But if you think Wonder Woman is better than even the early MCU films like First Avenger, I would challenge you to explain that. To me First Avenger is easily the better film, and I don't see anything about Wonder Woman that exceeds it in any way, but I would love the challenge of debating that stance. Not much of a challenge. |
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Post by brownstones on Jun 6, 2017 14:14:16 GMT
Oooo.....idk man.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 6, 2017 14:22:49 GMT
Can you form your own opinions?
Almost all of these ideals were either present in First Avenger or done equally well. I'm not sure that showing the horrors of war is something that defines it as better really, and the twist of Wonder Woman didn't work any better than any twist in the CA series. Frankly I'd say it's more of a problem for the film. Also how is "motivated by emotions" a good thing? That's usually when you start making terrible decisions. This article says it's about love, as though FA wasn't. Several of these points like that one don't really have any meaning, such as the one about it being a self contained story. Is that supposed to be better? And "grounded fight sequences"? That's a joke right? Her lassoing enemies left and right and jumping to the top of a bell tower was more grounded than First Avenger. Really?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 6, 2017 14:24:28 GMT
It's actually better than the First Avenger. Everyone pretty much universally agrees. Ok, what about it is better? |
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Post by northernlad on Jun 6, 2017 14:52:57 GMT
It's actually better than the First Avenger. Everyone pretty much universally agrees. Ok, what about it is better? Well let's start with WW RT score...it stands at 93%, The First Avenger has an 80%....so that is better. Also Wonder Woman opening weekend...domestic total was 103 M...while The First Avenger only made 65 M...so that is better. Those are just facts right there. The rest would be my opinion. Some of you guys seem to confuse the two. But yeah WW...is definitely better. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 6, 2017 14:56:04 GMT
Ok, what about it is better? Well let's start with WW RT score...it stands at 93%, The First Avenger has an 80%....so that is better. Also Wonder Woman opening weekend...domestic total was 103 M...while The First Avenger only made 65 M...so that is better. Those are just facts right there. The rest would be my opinion. Some of you guys seem to confuse the two. But yeah WW...is definitely better. I'm talking about the movie. Can you discuss how the movie itself is better. I get that the RT and box office is higher. What about the movie itself is better? |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 6, 2017 14:58:25 GMT
It's actually better than the First Avenger. Everyone pretty much universally agrees. Ok, what about it is better?
why, let's start with: Wonder Women does not have freaking LASER BATTLES in a WW II scenario (!!!). Jeez, I do not think you can spell out infantilization and trivilization more unambiguously than that. 
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Jun 6, 2017 15:04:54 GMT
Ok, what about it is better?
why, let's start with: Wonder Women does not have freaking LASER BATTLES in a WW II scenario (!!!). Jeez, I do not think you can spell out infantilization and trivilization more unambiguously than that.
You're referring to the cosmic cube powered weapons. I'm not seeing the problem, it was clearly explained, or is wonder woman better than raiders of the lost ark just because they had a super powered casket in that movie? |
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Post by northernlad on Jun 6, 2017 15:11:18 GMT
Well let's start with WW RT score...it stands at 93%, The First Avenger has an 80%....so that is better. Also Wonder Woman opening weekend...domestic total was 103 M...while The First Avenger only made 65 M...so that is better. Those are just facts right there. The rest would be my opinion. Some of you guys seem to confuse the two. But yeah WW...is definitely better. I'm talking about the movie. Can you discuss how the movie itself is better. I get that the RT and box office is higher. What about the movie itself is better? I'm talking about the movie too. Those things I listed are FACTS about the WONDER WOMAN movie. You can not escape those FACTS...they ARE about the movie! Geez, gotta spell things out for you. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Jun 6, 2017 15:16:54 GMT
Haven't seen WW yet,but First Avenger IMO is underrated and underappreciated. I didn't care for it too much at first but I enjoyed after multiple viewings. Its one of my faves.
A lot of comic book movies have been disappointing lately, I am not expecting Much
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 6, 2017 15:30:22 GMT
why, let's start with: Wonder Women does not have freaking LASER BATTLES in a WW II scenario (!!!). Jeez, I do not think you can spell out infantilization and trivilization more unambiguously than that.
You're referring to the cosmic cube powered weapons. I'm not seeing the problem, it was clearly explained, lol, "cosmic cube powered weapons", that makes it sound better. That's the problem with fanboyism or any fanatism, it makes you lose nuance, taste and common sense. If they used glowing dildos and neon anal beads for warfare, and it was "properly explained" and named (interstellar combat joysticks?), you would not see a problem either. But in the end that is exactly what trivialization and infantilization of a WW II scenario means. Nice deflection. I do not care for that ark of the convenat scene either, but it's not about doing laser battles in WWII; the cheesy special effects were to demonstrate god punishing the Nazis. But making fun of this literal deus ex machina scene and the Indy dilemma has become a running gag.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 6, 2017 15:50:06 GMT
CATFA was a solid flick but for some reason I just found it kinda boring. I'd say CATFA was a tighter movie and had less issues than WW but it just didn't have the oomph that WW has. So yeah, I'd put WW above it.
It's the same way I compare CATFA with the first Thor movie. Thor had lower lows but it also had higher highs, and in the end I found Thor more interesting than CATFA.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 6, 2017 15:59:59 GMT
Ok, what about it is better?
why, let's start with: Wonder Women does not have freaking LASER BATTLES in a WW II scenario (!!!). Jeez, I do not think you can spell out infantilization and trivilization more unambiguously than that.
So you're ashamed of comic books then. |
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