Re-watched BvS yesterday

There was no need for that laughably terrible rendition of Lex, either. I'd love to see a fan edit of this flick featuring insane Bruce (this movie plays like a super villain origin story for Batman, it really does) hunting down the wooden Clark and WW intervening when some creature is suddenly unleashed. Throw out the rest and you've have a film worth watching.

I know I'm in the minority but I saw this movie twice in theaters despite hating 80% of it. Every line of dialog from Bruce/Batman is pure gold. The visions, the stuff about 1% being an absolute certainty, all of it. Holy shit, he's completely insane and I love it. It's detailed from the sequence where his parents are gunned down to the destruction of Metropolis with Bruce looking angrily towards the sky, and every word of dialog until the inexplicable 'Martha' turn (I'll get back to that).

Bruce doesn't want justice. He doesn't even want revenge. He wants control. The day his parents were killed, he decided he was never going to be afraid again. Nobody would ever be allowed to act without consequence-- his consequences-- again. Anyone who did anything he disagreed with (i.e. criminals) would have to pay the price in blood. He controlled his little world and everyone in it, he was the top of the food chain. Until a sun god from another planet arrived and changed everything. Again, the look on Bruce's face after his building was destroyed says it all. It was the first time since his parents death that he was powerless to stop what was happening...and that was simply unacceptable to this absolute control freak. One line of dialog from this version of Bruce sums him up better than any character study ever could: "The world only makes sense if you force it to."

BvS Bruce is one of my favorite movie villains of all time...until the 'Martha' scene rewrites the character along with the tone of the film, and suddenly they're making jokes with each other and the movie ends with the man who spent the entire film murdering criminals (and plotting to destroy a guy it was pretty clear was trying to help people) talking about how people are still good and the world is full of hope or whatever. It's a fine end message, it just didn't fit this film or this character. Give that line to Diana.

The movie is an absolute train wreck overall. Eisenberg's Lex is one of the worst characters in cinematic history and Superman is a cardboard cutout with zero personality. At least Lex and Bruce are clearly insane, Clark's bad choices (hey, let's slug it out instead of me using my super speed to pin you to the ground and say, "Lex has my mother and he's forcing me to fight you, why don't we work together?") are nonsensical for reasons unknown. They tried to cram in 15 different classic comic storylines into one flick and shoehorned the other JL character intros unnecessarily.

Honestly Wonder Woman's appearance and Bruce's insanity are the only parts of BvS that work cinematically. The rest is pure garbage. But the elements I do enjoy are so incredible that I could watch this movie (in pieces here and there) 50 times and it would never get old. It holds an odd distinction in my head; it's in that rare category of film labeled, "This movie is terrible, but I love it."

yup, I agree that act one and two are interesting moviemaking; they remind me of gritty political thrillers or crime movies such as Zodiac, slow but captivating. Graphic novel territory! However, the third act starting with the cartoonish BvS fight together with the troll end-monster battle takes a dump and dumbs down the matter to kiddy comic book level.

All CBMs where the heroes clobber each other because of mommy issues are an utter embarrassment, be it "Martha" or "I don't care, he killed my mom".

Still, BvS is one of the few super hero films that I can watch more than once, it's a guilty pleasure that could have been a true classic. I rate it 5.5/10, while the SH highest get around  8/10 (TDK; Watchmen, Logan, TDK Returns, Incredibles etc)  

1. Change the freaking actor for Lex. Do it like the animated version of Lex, smart and powerful. Intimidating.
2. Get rid of the Apokalypse scene. It's cool and all but does not make sense and just makes the movie longer. For that matter, get rid of the Flash scene and cut the Wayne parents' death flashbacks in half. We don't need that much flashback.
3. Get a better reason for Batman and Superman to fight. A simple blackmail is so unoriginal and is just lazy. You can do way better than that.
4. Get rid of the stupid Martha scene. For such an epic fight as Batman vs. Superman you need a way better reason for them to stop fighting than just having a similar mom's name.
5. Get either a better final villain for the trio to fight or at least get an unknown one if you just want a grand but shallow finale. You use someone as well-known as Doomsday you better make sure you do him properly. So either do it properly or just get a random unknown. Heck I would have been fine with no big bad in the end, just make Lex find some red kyrptonite and the final battle is Batman and Wonder Woman trying to calm down an enraged Superman.
6. For the love of god, allow Superman to smile and be happy. He's freakin Superman, not Edward Cullen. Leave the glowering to Batman.
7. Either do Lois Lane properly or just get rid of her. In this movie she feels so tacked on, like they're forcing her to be important even though nothing she does is really that important.

8. I could go on... but I realized after reading all these that there's pretty much nothing left of the movie. Might as well just change the entire movie.