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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:03:10 GMT
Oh, look, one of the resident idiots is back. Complaining about that originality thing again, huh? Hate to break it to you, but Hollywood was never original. Neither has any story-teller ever been. Shakespeare himself never wrote a single original thing his entire career. So nothing he nor you have said is on-point. The MCU is here to stay and Fox-Men will never be competition to it. Get over it. It is amusing that you cannot tell the differences between reference/homage/influence (Shakespeare) and formulas/cliche/conventions (MCU). Funny you should mention rehashing formulas considering that's what Fox-Men films do. When the Fox-Men series manages to make something even half as politically relevant as Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War, get back to me.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 14, 2017 17:15:00 GMT
It is amusing that you cannot tell the differences between reference/homage/influence (Shakespeare) and formulas/cliche/conventions (MCU). Funny you should mention rehashing formulas considering that's what Fox-Men films do. When the Fox-Men series manages to make something even half as politically relevant as Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War, get back to me. You have it all wrong. I think the real point is when mcu manages to make something politicly relevant like DOFP or First Class then we can talk. x-men movies handle political subtext a lot better...miles better because it is not watered down in x-men movies. call me crazy but batman vs superman had a deeper political subtext than civil war. Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War are not deep political movies. the plot of the films are too basic to be considered deep or compelling. No one looks to these films for anything political. First Class alone dealing with the Cold War was handled in a superior manner than Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War. X-Men movies evaluates their political subject. MCU movies defines their political subject but never truly evaluates it. MCU needs to work on their plot. the never tend to go deep like the x-men movies. The last 25 minutes of x-men 3 was a better and more believable civil war than the entire civil war movie.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 17:26:20 GMT
Funny you should mention rehashing formulas considering that's what Fox-Men films do. When the Fox-Men series manages to make something even half as politically relevant as Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War, get back to me. You have it all wrong. I think the real point is when mcu manages to make something politicly relevant like DOFP or First Class then we can talk. x-men movies handle political subtext a lot better...miles better because it is not watered down in x-men movies. call me crazy but batman vs superman had a deeper political subtext than civil war. Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War are not deep political movies. the plot of the films are too basic to be considered deep or compelling. No one looks to these films for anything political. First Class alone dealing with the Cold War was handled in a superior manner than Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War. X-Men movies evaluates their political subject. MCU movies defines their political subject but never truly evaluates it. MCU needs to work on their plot. the never tend to go deep like the x-men movies. The last 25 minutes of x-men 3 was a better and more believable civil war than the entire civil war movie. DOFP and First Class were not politically relevant. Its not political subtext. It's just on-the-nose text, and it's always about the same old thing: NORMIES ARE STUPID AND EVIL AND MEAN TO MINORITIES! " Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War are not deep political movies. the plot of the films are too basic to be considered deep or compelling." The rest of the world disagrees with you. Oh, so The Winter Soldier's not a deep political movie? So Snowden didn't happen? The rise of drone warfare? People being punished without actually committing any crimes because they 'might'? You're an idiot. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is basically a very relevant Orwellian nightmare. "No one looks to these films for anything political. First Class alone dealing with the Cold War was handled in a superior manner than Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War." The Winter Soldier and Civil War weren't about the Cold War. The First Class can't win a contest the other side didn't enter. "MCU movies defines their political subject but never truly evaluates it." Yeah, you didn't pay any attention during either of the second two Cap films. "MCU needs to work on their plot. the never tend to go deep like the x-men movies." Your mother smoked a lot of marijuana during pregnancy, didn't she? "The last 25 minutes of x-men 3 was a better and more believable civil war than the entire civil war movie." And you just lost what little credibility you had! Good day, sir! You get nothing!
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Post by summers8 on Jun 14, 2017 17:51:26 GMT
You have it all wrong. I think the real point is when mcu manages to make something politicly relevant like DOFP or First Class then we can talk. x-men movies handle political subtext a lot better...miles better because it is not watered down in x-men movies. call me crazy but batman vs superman had a deeper political subtext than civil war. Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War are not deep political movies. the plot of the films are too basic to be considered deep or compelling. No one looks to these films for anything political. First Class alone dealing with the Cold War was handled in a superior manner than Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War. X-Men movies evaluates their political subject. MCU movies defines their political subject but never truly evaluates it. MCU needs to work on their plot. the never tend to go deep like the x-men movies. The last 25 minutes of x-men 3 was a better and more believable civil war than the entire civil war movie. DOFP and First Class were not politically relevant. Its not political subtext. It's just on-the-nose text, and it's always about the same old thing: NORMIES ARE STUPID AND EVIL AND MEAN TO MINORITIES! " Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War are not deep political movies. the plot of the films are too basic to be considered deep or compelling." The rest of the world disagrees with you. Oh, so The Winter Soldier's not a deep political movie? So Snowden didn't happen? The rise of drone warfare? People being punished without actually committing any crimes because they 'might'? You're an idiot. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is basically a very relevant Orwellian nightmare. "No one looks to these films for anything political. First Class alone dealing with the Cold War was handled in a superior manner than Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War." The Winter Soldier and Civil War weren't about the Cold War. The First Class can't win a contest the other side didn't enter. "MCU movies defines their political subject but never truly evaluates it." Yeah, you didn't pay any attention during either of the second two Cap films. "MCU needs to work on their plot. the never tend to go deep like the x-men movies." Your mother smoked a lot of marijuana during pregnancy, didn't she? "The last 25 minutes of x-men 3 was a better and more believable civil war than the entire civil war movie." And you just lost what little credibility you had! Good day, sir! You get nothing! -------------------------------------------- well they were, war is not over, prejudice is not over. these things are still alive today. And I do pay attention to mcu movies. so I know how their movies works. everything is way too basic. Please leave my mum out of it and respect yourself and your own mother. its gets quite pathetic when you start dishing insults when you cant defend what you like in a reason bale manner. No, I did not loose credibility. I saw x-men 3 when the x-men fights magneto mutant and help protect mutants. that was a better civil war than the air port scene in civil war which was more like a comedy or the last fight with Iron Man/Steve were they fight for simple reasons and nothing deep. a fight between steve/bucky would have been better and made the movie more compelling. In a civil war, people die, its gritty, they don't make jokes and try not to not hurt each other. the war in X3 between X-Men, the government and the brotherhood mirror the real civil war that has occurred in the world. the rest of the world dont disagree with me since the rest of the world acknowledges that mcu movies are formulaic and lacking of depth, the snowden incident was not as predictable and formulaic as winter solider. DOFP a film that came out the same year was seen as a deeper and more philosophical movie than winter solider since DOFP was not a movie of good and evil but a movie of greys where every character was right and had good motives. unlike winter solider that made shield and hydra the big bad that needed to be taken down by the good guys. calling me an idiot only makes mcu movies more idiotic than I think they are. MCU should learn from x-men how to do a real political movie. X-Men movies are known well for it. mcu movies tired with the CA sequels but sadly fell into their own trap of sacrificing action scenes over a more challenging plot with multi-layed characters. don't loose any more credibility by attacking me personally.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 18:01:59 GMT
DOFP and First Class were not politically relevant. Its not political subtext. It's just on-the-nose text, and it's always about the same old thing: NORMIES ARE STUPID AND EVIL AND MEAN TO MINORITIES! " Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War are not deep political movies. the plot of the films are too basic to be considered deep or compelling." The rest of the world disagrees with you. Oh, so The Winter Soldier's not a deep political movie? So Snowden didn't happen? The rise of drone warfare? People being punished without actually committing any crimes because they 'might'? You're an idiot. Captain America: The Winter Soldier is basically a very relevant Orwellian nightmare. "No one looks to these films for anything political. First Class alone dealing with the Cold War was handled in a superior manner than Captain America: The Winter Soldier or CA: Civil War." The Winter Soldier and Civil War weren't about the Cold War. The First Class can't win a contest the other side didn't enter. "MCU movies defines their political subject but never truly evaluates it." Yeah, you didn't pay any attention during either of the second two Cap films. "MCU needs to work on their plot. the never tend to go deep like the x-men movies." Your mother smoked a lot of marijuana during pregnancy, didn't she? "The last 25 minutes of x-men 3 was a better and more believable civil war than the entire civil war movie." And you just lost what little credibility you had! Good day, sir! You get nothing! -------------------------------------------- well they were, war is not over, prejudice is not over. these things are still alive today. And I do pay attention to mcu movies. so I know how their movies works. everything is way too basic. Please leave my mum out of it and respect yourself and your own mother. its gets quite pathetic when you start dishing insults when you cant defend what you like in a reason bale manner. No, I did not loose credibility. I saw x-men 3 when the x-men fights magneto mutant and help protect mutants. that was a better civil war than the air port scene in civil war which was more like a comedy or the last fight with Iron Man/Steve were they fight for simple reasons and nothing deep. a fight between steve/bucky would have been better and made the movie more compelling. In a civil war, people die, its gritty, they don't make jokes and try not to not hurt each other. the war in X3 between X-Men, the government and the brotherhood mirror the real civil war that has occurred in the world. the rest of the world dont disagree with me since the rest of the world acknowledges that mcu movies are formulaic and lacking of depth, the snowden incident was not as predictable and formulaic as winter solider. DOFP a film that came out the same year was seen as a deeper and more philosophical movie than winter solider since DOFP was not a movie of good and evil but a movie of greys where every character was right and had good motives. unlike winter solider that made shield and hydra the big bad that needed to be taken down by the good guys. calling me an idiot only makes mcu movies more idiotic than I think they are. MCU should learn from x-men how to do a real political movie. X-Men movies are known well for it. mcu movies tired with the CA sequels but sadly fell into their own trap of sacrificing action scenes over a more challenging plot with multi-layed characters. don't loose any more credibility by attacking me personally. You are now considered a troll. You use the Marvel Formula argument without explaining in the topic that was made for that. Ladies and gentleman, we got one.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 18:10:31 GMT
"well they were, war is not over, prejudice is not over. these things are still alive today." So they were politically relevant in only the most general way possible. "And I do pay attention to mcu movies. so I know how their movies works. everything is way too basic." No, you don't. "Please leave my mum out of it and respect yourself and your own mother. its gets quite pathetic when you start dishing insults when you cant defend what you like in a reason bale manner." I'll talk about your mother any way that I wish to. And I have defended the MCU. "No, I did not loose credibility. I saw x-men 3 when the x-men fights magneto mutant and help protect mutants. that was a better civil war than the air port scene in civil war which was more like a comedy or the last fight with Iron Man/Steve were they fight for simple reasons and nothing deep. a fight between steve/bucky would have been better and made the movie more compelling." You're right. You didn't lose credibility. You never had it to begin with. Thank you once again for proving you paid no attention during Civil War. "In a civil war, people die, its gritty, they don't make jokes and try not to not hurt each other. the war in X3 between X-Men, the government and the brotherhood mirror the real civil war that has occurred in the world." What part of the airport fight made you think they weren't trying to hurt each other? No, they were trying not to KILL each other. There is a difference. These were mostly people who had close emotional bonds from risking their lives together for years. Tony wanted to ARREST Cap's side, not kill them or do permanent damage if he could avoid it. That's why he brought in Spider-Man. He was both an unexpected powerhouse and unlikely to use unnecessary force. And Cap was hoping to slip past them if possible, and failing that force his way past them without doing permanent damage is possible. The tragedy of the scene is that most of these people LIKE each other. Then as the fight went on they ended up having to use harsher and harsher force until finally something gave: Rhodey's spine. Things also hadn't gotten to the point of deadly force yet. The fight at the end of X-Men 3 happened at the finale and was already after two other incidents with Magneto in which the man and his Brotherhood came at them with deadly force. Civil War is the BEGINNING of a conflict, not the third act as X-Men 3 was intended to be. Thank you for showing me that you are unable to make the distinction. "the rest of the world dont disagree with me since the rest of the world acknowledges that mcu movies are formulaic and lacking of depth, the snowden incident was not as predictable and formulaic as winter solider. DOFP a film that came out the same year was seen as a deeper and more philosophical movie than winter solider since DOFP was not a movie of good and evil but a movie of greys where every character was right and had good motives. unlike winter solider that made shield and hydra the big bad that needed to be taken down by the good guys." I can already tell I'm going to get a lot of use out this eye-roll icon today. "calling me an idiot only makes mcu movies more idiotic than I think they are." "MCU should learn from x-men how to do a real political movie. X-Men movies are known well for it. mcu movies tired with the CA sequels but sadly fell into their own trap of sacrificing action scenes over a more challenging plot with multi-layed characters." Actually, its the other way around. "don't loose any more credibility by attacking me personally." You are in no position to talk to me about attacking others personally considering how man times you've called the MCU fans stupid.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 14, 2017 18:46:51 GMT
It is amusing that you cannot tell the differences between reference/homage/influence (Shakespeare) and formulas/cliche/conventions (MCU). Ah yes, this ever present "formula" no one can ever identify beyond things like "costumes" or "the main character gets too much focus" or something silly like that. Wrong again, BJ, you sloppy stain on the boot heel of humanity. This has been addressed repeatedly; you just refuse to acknowledge it because you're a troll and a stinking turd and probably either autistic or literally a bot.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 18:51:45 GMT
Ah yes, this ever present "formula" no one can ever identify beyond things like "costumes" or "the main character gets too much focus" or something silly like that. Wrong again, BJ, you sloppy stain on the boot heel of humanity. This has been addressed repeatedly; you just refuse to acknowledge it because you're a troll and a stinking turd and probably either autistic or literally a bot. Actually, he's right. This "formula" argument has been disputed enough times for it to be put to rest.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 14, 2017 18:54:02 GMT
It is amusing that you cannot tell the differences between reference/homage/influence (Shakespeare) and formulas/cliche/conventions (MCU). Ah yes, this ever present "formula" no one can ever identify beyond things like "costumes" or "the main character gets too much focus" or something silly like that. hey sammy old boy, you keep reiterating this formula deflection. You are in luck, I just wrote a post on exactly this topic (check the thread): Well, it would be downright silly and naive to deny that MCU films run on formula. Most genre films do, e.g., Bond is subject to a certain formula . Yet formula (as with soft drinks etc) is frequently changed (see latest Bond films) to accommodate audience fatigue and changing times. Also, another issue: How do you define "formula" with filmmaking, eg is the hiring of puppet Indie directors part of formula or policy? I am by no means a fan or expert on MCU; having seen most only once and immediately forgotten. But when you see one, you have seen it all in a way. The MCU formula is pretty prevalent, my two cents from the top of my head: - MCU Movies all feel similar (derivative): One knows what to expect and how it ends, there are no big surprises (as eg with out of formula movies such as Logan, Watchmen, TDKReturns etc). - This includes tone (quip-y, jokey, upbeat, clean) - Family friendly pandering to the broadest common denominator, including simple to understand dialog, - Relevant characters never die, and if they do they resurrected quickly (Fury, Winter Soldier, Loki, IM buddy etc) - Repeated storytelling tropes: essentially "Hero's Journey" a la Campell as defined in literature with magic items and mentors to be found - Hardly any focus on developing the villain - Similar arcs and structures : Most of these movies have the same "flawed jerk goes through character crisis and becomes hero by learning something (Dr Strange, Thor, Ironman, Antman etc). Guardians has the Avengers-arc of several selfish and different jerks having to learn to work as a team to fight a common (weak) villain. It's the oldest formula arc in literature. - Also the cinematography and pacing is pretty standardized (colorful, natural look), and there are other formula tropes such as end credit scenes . etc... There are countless articles/essays on what exact elements constitute MCU formula, but in the end an exact definition is futile as many elements are changed per movie; just a few: www.hypable.com/how-to-write-every-marvel-movie-ever/whatculture.com/film/10-biggest-parts-marvel-movie-formula-will-destroy-serieswww.comicbookmovie.com/comics/marvel_comics/what-is-the-marvel-studios-formula-a133104www.reviewsphere.org/news/the-marvel-formula/
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 18:56:51 GMT
I love it when trolls just prove what I've said about them to be absolutely true. Move along, folks. Nothing more to see than a sad little man named Tristan with nothing better to do with his time than to feebly try to put down a series he personally doesn't like.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 14, 2017 20:22:10 GMT
Ah yes, this ever present "formula" no one can ever identify beyond things like "costumes" or "the main character gets too much focus" or something silly like that. hey sammy old boy, you keep reiterating this formula deflection. You are in luck, I just wrote a post on exactly this topic (check the thread): Well, it would be downright silly and naive to deny that MCU films run on formula. Most genre films do, e.g., Bond is subject to a certain formula . Yet formula (as with soft drinks etc) is frequently changed (see latest Bond films) to accommodate audience fatigue and changing times. Also, another issue: How do you define "formula" with filmmaking, eg is the hiring of puppet Indie directors part of formula or policy? I am by no means a fan or expert on MCU; having seen most only once and immediately forgotten. But when you see one, you have seen it all in a way. The MCU formula is pretty prevalent, my two cents from the top of my head: - MCU Movies all feel similar (derivative): One knows what to expect and how it ends, there are no big surprises (as eg with out of formula movies such as Logan, Watchmen, TDKReturns etc). - This includes tone (quip-y, jokey, upbeat, clean) - Family friendly pandering to the broadest common denominator, including simple to understand dialog, - Relevant characters never die, and if they do they resurrected quickly (Fury, Winter Soldier, Loki, IM buddy etc) - Repeated storytelling tropes: essentially "Hero's Journey" a la Campell as defined in literature with magic items and mentors to be found - Hardly any focus on developing the villain - Similar arcs and structures : Most of these movies have the same "flawed jerk goes through character crisis and becomes hero by learning something (Dr Strange, Thor, Ironman, Antman etc). Guardians has the Avengers-arc of several selfish and different jerks having to learn to work as a team to fight a common (weak) villain. It's the oldest formula arc in literature. - Also the cinematography and pacing is pretty standardized (colorful, natural look), and there are other formula tropes such as end credit scenes . etc... There are countless articles/essays on what exact elements constitute MCU formula, but in the end an exact definition is futile as many elements are changed per movie; just a few: www.hypable.com/how-to-write-every-marvel-movie-ever/whatculture.com/film/10-biggest-parts-marvel-movie-formula-will-destroy-serieswww.comicbookmovie.com/comics/marvel_comics/what-is-the-marvel-studios-formula-a133104www.reviewsphere.org/news/the-marvel-formula/So basically you're complaining they took the extra effort to make the movies look like they took place in the same world, you're complaining they cared about the hero first and foremost, you're complaining they aren't all paragons, and you're complaining they don't kill off the cast in every film.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jun 14, 2017 20:22:41 GMT
Ah yes, this ever present "formula" no one can ever identify beyond things like "costumes" or "the main character gets too much focus" or something silly like that. Wrong again, BJ, you sloppy stain on the boot heel of humanity. This has been addressed repeatedly; you just refuse to acknowledge it because you're a troll and a stinking turd and probably either autistic or literally a bot. No, the formula keeps getting brought up. But no one can really ever define it.
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Post by Skaathar on Jun 14, 2017 20:25:25 GMT
There's a reason why the MCU franchise is the best selling movie franchise at the moment, completely outclassing both Fox and DCEU movie franchises. The reason is that, at this moment, they are simply better. Fox or DCEU might make a movie here and there that can compete or even outshine MCU movies but as a movie-universe in general they are just way behind the MCU.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Jun 14, 2017 20:28:17 GMT
Wrong again, BJ, you sloppy stain on the boot heel of humanity. This has been addressed repeatedly; you just refuse to acknowledge it because you're a troll and a stinking turd and probably either autistic or literally a bot. No, the formula keeps getting brought up. But no one can really ever define it. Wrong again, BJ.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jun 14, 2017 20:30:25 GMT
hey sammy old boy, you keep reiterating this formula deflection. You are in luck, I just wrote a post on exactly this topic (check the thread): Well, it would be downright silly and naive to deny that MCU films run on formula. Most genre films do, e.g., Bond is subject to a certain formula . Yet formula (as with soft drinks etc) is frequently changed (see latest Bond films) to accommodate audience fatigue and changing times. Also, another issue: How do you define "formula" with filmmaking, eg is the hiring of puppet Indie directors part of formula or policy? I am by no means a fan or expert on MCU; having seen most only once and immediately forgotten. But when you see one, you have seen it all in a way. The MCU formula is pretty prevalent, my two cents from the top of my head: - MCU Movies all feel similar (derivative): One knows what to expect and how it ends, there are no big surprises (as eg with out of formula movies such as Logan, Watchmen, TDKReturns etc). - This includes tone (quip-y, jokey, upbeat, clean) - Family friendly pandering to the broadest common denominator, including simple to understand dialog, - Relevant characters never die, and if they do they resurrected quickly (Fury, Winter Soldier, Loki, IM buddy etc) - Repeated storytelling tropes: essentially "Hero's Journey" a la Campell as defined in literature with magic items and mentors to be found - Hardly any focus on developing the villain - Similar arcs and structures : Most of these movies have the same "flawed jerk goes through character crisis and becomes hero by learning something (Dr Strange, Thor, Ironman, Antman etc). Guardians has the Avengers-arc of several selfish and different jerks having to learn to work as a team to fight a common (weak) villain. It's the oldest formula arc in literature. - Also the cinematography and pacing is pretty standardized (colorful, natural look), and there are other formula tropes such as end credit scenes . etc... There are countless articles/essays on what exact elements constitute MCU formula, but in the end an exact definition is futile as many elements are changed per movie; just a few: www.hypable.com/how-to-write-every-marvel-movie-ever/whatculture.com/film/10-biggest-parts-marvel-movie-formula-will-destroy-serieswww.comicbookmovie.com/comics/marvel_comics/what-is-the-marvel-studios-formula-a133104www.reviewsphere.org/news/the-marvel-formula/So basically you're complaining they took the extra effort to make the movies look like they took place in the same world, you're complaining they cared about the hero first and foremost, you're complaining they aren't all paragons, and you're complaining they don't kill off the cast in every film. nope, fail at reading comprehension, passive-aggressive sam. I don't complain, I'm distilling and analyzing the formula you love to suck, yet deny. Try again.
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Jun 14, 2017 20:34:15 GMT
No, the formula keeps getting brought up. But no one can really ever define it. Wrong again, BJ.
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Post by summers8 on Jun 14, 2017 20:56:37 GMT
"well they were, war is not over, prejudice is not over. these things are still alive today." So they were politically relevant in only the most general way possible. "And I do pay attention to mcu movies. so I know how their movies works. everything is way too basic." No, you don't. "Please leave my mum out of it and respect yourself and your own mother. its gets quite pathetic when you start dishing insults when you cant defend what you like in a reason bale manner." I'll talk about your mother any way that I wish to. And I have defended the MCU. "No, I did not loose credibility. I saw x-men 3 when the x-men fights magneto mutant and help protect mutants. that was a better civil war than the air port scene in civil war which was more like a comedy or the last fight with Iron Man/Steve were they fight for simple reasons and nothing deep. a fight between steve/bucky would have been better and made the movie more compelling." You're right. You didn't lose credibility. You never had it to begin with. Thank you once again for proving you paid no attention during Civil War. "In a civil war, people die, its gritty, they don't make jokes and try not to not hurt each other. the war in X3 between X-Men, the government and the brotherhood mirror the real civil war that has occurred in the world." What part of the airport fight made you think they weren't trying to hurt each other? No, they were trying not to KILL each other. There is a difference. These were mostly people who had close emotional bonds from risking their lives together for years. Tony wanted to ARREST Cap's side, not kill them or do permanent damage if he could avoid it. That's why he brought in Spider-Man. He was both an unexpected powerhouse and unlikely to use unnecessary force. And Cap was hoping to slip past them if possible, and failing that force his way past them without doing permanent damage is possible. The tragedy of the scene is that most of these people LIKE each other. Then as the fight went on they ended up having to use harsher and harsher force until finally something gave: Rhodey's spine. Things also hadn't gotten to the point of deadly force yet. The fight at the end of X-Men 3 happened at the finale and was already after two other incidents with Magneto in which the man and his Brotherhood came at them with deadly force. Civil War is the BEGINNING of a conflict, not the third act as X-Men 3 was intended to be. Thank you for showing me that you are unable to make the distinction. "the rest of the world dont disagree with me since the rest of the world acknowledges that mcu movies are formulaic and lacking of depth, the snowden incident was not as predictable and formulaic as winter solider. DOFP a film that came out the same year was seen as a deeper and more philosophical movie than winter solider since DOFP was not a movie of good and evil but a movie of greys where every character was right and had good motives. unlike winter solider that made shield and hydra the big bad that needed to be taken down by the good guys." I can already tell I'm going to get a lot of use out this eye-roll icon today. "calling me an idiot only makes mcu movies more idiotic than I think they are." "MCU should learn from x-men how to do a real political movie. X-Men movies are known well for it. mcu movies tired with the CA sequels but sadly fell into their own trap of sacrificing action scenes over a more challenging plot with multi-layed characters." Actually, its the other way around. "don't loose any more credibility by attacking me personally." You are in no position to talk to me about attacking others personally considering how man times you've called the MCU fans stupid. ------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------ Well duh, they are still kind of relevant, please just look at the state of America. You don’t know my mother, if you talk about her in any way you wish. The curse reverts back to your OWN mother not mine. For the sake of your own mother. Leave my own mother out of it. Defending a piece of trash, is still trash. And john landis is right about the MCU. Have you heard of the American civil war? Last I checked more than 100000 soldiers died in the war. Have you heard about the Nigeria barifran civil war? Even if they were not trying to kill each other why make jokes? And why is the fight during the day with crap cinematography that fails to capture any sense of danger? The emotional bond is lacking because the film fails to set up any bond. What is ant man link to the other characters? Same with spiderman, same with wanda. The emotional bond is lacking because there are no stakes. The civil war is better in X3 because the x-men were actually risking their lives to protect the humans that hate and fear them. They brought in Spiderman for the sake of it. He was not needed in the film and added nothing in the film. Please The tragedy of mcu civil war is that because these people like eachother we are not meant to take their fight seriously and it makes the movie weak. Have you seen the finale of buffy season 2? Buffy killed her lover. That carried weight. Civil war doesn’t. Yeah keep rolling your eyes when the truth is presented to you. Maybe winter solider should have focused on a less obvious villain and not faked nick fury’s death and giving black widow something personal to do. MCU movies are not known for any political effort. All their films are the same, x-men is known best for political comic films. There is a reason x-men movies have a distinction from mcu movies , though x-men is marvel. Unfortunately some mcu fans are bl00dy stupid indeed. I mean just look at how all of you claim not to care about rt anymore and how you bring up people’s mother? So duh, some of you f!cking stupid.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 14, 2017 21:07:21 GMT
"Well duh, they are still kind of relevant, please just look at the state of America. You don’t know my mother, if you talk about her in any way you wish. The curse reverts back to your OWN mother not mine. For the sake of your own mother. Leave my own mother out of it." ...Congratulations of declaring your intents, thereby guaranteeing I won't be offended by anything you say about my mother. You basically just dulled any edges your words might have had otherwise. "Defending a piece of trash, is still trash. And john landis is right about the MCU. Have you heard of the American civil war? Last I checked more than 100000 soldiers died in the war. Have you heard about the Nigeria barifran civil war? Even if they were not trying to kill each other why make jokes? And why is the fight during the day with crap cinematography that fails to capture any sense of danger?" ...Thank you for continuing to validate exactly what I think of you. How about you stop being such a cockalorum and grow up? "The emotional bond is lacking because the film fails to set up any bond. What is ant man link to the other characters? Same with spiderman, same with wanda. The emotional bond is lacking because there are no stakes. The civil war is better in X3 because the x-men were actually risking their lives to protect the humans that hate and fear them. They brought in Spiderman for the sake of it. He was not needed in the film and added nothing in the film. Please The tragedy of mcu civil war is that because these people like eachother we are not meant to take their fight seriously and it makes the movie weak. Have you seen the finale of buffy season 2? Buffy killed her lover. That carried weight. Civil war doesn’t." Thank you for showing me once again that you understand nothing about anything. "Yeah keep rolling your eyes when the truth is presented to you. Maybe winter solider should have focused on a less obvious villain and not faked nick fury’s death and giving black widow something personal to do." What truth? That you're a moron? If you think Widow needs Fury dead to make her part of Winter Soldier personal, you were obviously not paying attention. A common problem you have. You walk into MCU films already having decided you hate them and you miss most of what they have to offer. "MCU movies are not known for any political effort. All their films are the same, x-men is known best for political comic films. There is a reason x-men movies have a distinction from mcu movies , though x-men is marvel." The Fox-Men have nothing distinctive about them. They're bland and unappealing, and will never be able to compete against the MCU on even grounds. "Unfortunately some mcu fans are bl00dy stupid indeed. I mean just look at how all of you claim not to care about rt anymore and how you bring up people’s mother? So duh, some of you f!cking stupid." Congratulations on showing the whole world what a hypocrite you are.
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Post by Atom(ica) Discord on Jun 14, 2017 21:37:45 GMT
"Well duh, they are still kind of relevant, please just look at the state of America. You don’t know my mother, if you talk about her in any way you wish. The curse reverts back to your OWN mother not mine. For the sake of your own mother. Leave my own mother out of it." ...Congratulations of declaring your intents, thereby guaranteeing I won't be offended by anything you say about my mother. You basically just dulled any edges your words might have had otherwise. "Defending a piece of trash, is still trash. And john landis is right about the MCU. Have you heard of the American civil war? Last I checked more than 100000 soldiers died in the war. Have you heard about the Nigeria barifran civil war? Even if they were not trying to kill each other why make jokes? And why is the fight during the day with crap cinematography that fails to capture any sense of danger?" ...Thank you for continuing to validate exactly what I think of you. How about you stop being such a cockalorum and grow up? "The emotional bond is lacking because the film fails to set up any bond. What is ant man link to the other characters? Same with spiderman, same with wanda. The emotional bond is lacking because there are no stakes. The civil war is better in X3 because the x-men were actually risking their lives to protect the humans that hate and fear them. They brought in Spiderman for the sake of it. He was not needed in the film and added nothing in the film. Please The tragedy of mcu civil war is that because these people like eachother we are not meant to take their fight seriously and it makes the movie weak. Have you seen the finale of buffy season 2? Buffy killed her lover. That carried weight. Civil war doesn’t." Thank you for showing me once again that you understand nothing about anything. "Yeah keep rolling your eyes when the truth is presented to you. Maybe winter solider should have focused on a less obvious villain and not faked nick fury’s death and giving black widow something personal to do." What truth? That you're a moron? If you think Widow needs Fury dead to make her part of Winter Soldier personal, you were obviously not paying attention. A common problem you have. You walk into MCU films already having decided you hate them and you miss most of what they have to offer. "MCU movies are not known for any political effort. All their films are the same, x-men is known best for political comic films. There is a reason x-men movies have a distinction from mcu movies , though x-men is marvel." The Fox-Men have nothing distinctive about them. They're bland and unappealing, and will never be able to compete against the MCU on even grounds. "Unfortunately some mcu fans are bl00dy stupid indeed. I mean just look at how all of you claim not to care about rt anymore and how you bring up people’s mother? So duh, some of you f!cking stupid." Congratulations on showing the whole world what a hypocrite you are. Do people consider Fox's X-Men films to be politically prescient? That's interesting. SaveSave
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Post by raiderjedi on Jun 14, 2017 21:41:28 GMT
Im not sure you know what "legendary" means. This is not Coppola or Spielberg or Kubrick you are talking about.
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