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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 21:09:20 GMT
Upsetting the status quo involves taking your viewers out of their comfort zone. They're stayed safely within the "grounded, let's-reuse-all-the-tropes-from-the-previous-films" territory completely. Like how all the 3 main Avenger films use the same trope of a villain causing them to fight each other before banding together and defeating said villain? No, like how the X-Men films have been reusing the script from the first and second film since 2000 and 2003. With the MCU, its always something different. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 21:45:59 GMT
[Well who says the letter cleared the air? Tony just decided to not pursue Steve; they are not friends! I can say with confidence that the next Avengers film will only touch on the ending of CW and Tony will forgive him - as the upbeat ending suggests. The ending to CW didn't justify the violence we saw during it. And the only arrogant users on this board are samhmd, Thatguy and weirdraptor. A little humor at the end doesn't make the ending upbeat. The violence was perfectly justified. Keep saying that Infinity War won't touch on it you're going to be eating your words. No, your "I have a superior opinion and I'm always right" attitude says otherwise. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 21:47:51 GMT
Bingo. And that's what a new cast does. The new cast has done nothing of the sort. You're saying different actors don't take people out of their comfort zones? I gotta disagree with that. As do pretty much everybody who complains about recasting a character. Actors are huge comfort zones for audiences. It's why their faces are front and center during advertising. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 21:49:37 GMT
Like how all the 3 main Avenger films use the same trope of a villain causing them to fight each other before banding together and defeating said villain? No, like how the X-Men films have been reusing the script from the first and second film since 2000 and 2003. With the MCU, its always something different. I gotta disagree with that. Dr. Strange was Iron Man redux. Genius billionaire playboy suffers life altering accident and turns his life around to helping others. Right down to the quips and goatee. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 21:57:26 GMT
The new cast has done nothing of the sort. You're saying different actors don't take people out of their comfort zones? I gotta disagree with that. As do pretty much everybody who complains about recasting a character. Actors are huge comfort zones for audiences. It's why their faces are front and center during advertising. Recasts happen all the time. They come with the business. There was never a risk. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 21:57:58 GMT
No, like how the X-Men films have been reusing the script from the first and second film since 2000 and 2003. With the MCU, its always something different. I gotta disagree with that. Dr. Strange was Iron Man redux. Genius billionaire playboy suffers life altering accident and turns his life around to helping others. Right down to the quips and goatee. Wrong again. Just the very nature of Doctor Strange makes it different enough from Ironman to be a completely different experience. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 22:06:51 GMT
You're saying different actors don't take people out of their comfort zones? I gotta disagree with that. As do pretty much everybody who complains about recasting a character. Actors are huge comfort zones for audiences. It's why their faces are front and center during advertising. Recasts happen all the time. They come with the business. There was never a risk. Indeed. And it always takes people out of their comfort zones. Look at the James Bond franchise. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 22:07:50 GMT
I gotta disagree with that. Dr. Strange was Iron Man redux. Genius billionaire playboy suffers life altering accident and turns his life around to helping others. Right down to the quips and goatee. Wrong again. Just the very nature of Doctor Strange makes it different enough from Ironman to be a completely different experience. The only difference was magic versus technology. Other than that, the plot follows almost beat for beat. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 22:10:54 GMT
Recasts happen all the time. They come with the business. There was never a risk. Indeed. And it always takes people out of their comfort zones. Look at the James Bond franchise. The James Bond series survives BECAUSE of recasts. Terrible example. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 22:11:21 GMT
Wrong again. Just the very nature of Doctor Strange makes it different enough from Ironman to be a completely different experience. The only difference was magic versus technology. Other than that, the plot follows almost beat for beat. Nope. Wrong again. But you are free to keep proving to us what a hater you've become. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 22:17:08 GMT
Indeed. And it always takes people out of their comfort zones. Look at the James Bond franchise. The James Bond series survives BECAUSE of recasts. Terrible example. It's a great example. There's plenty of documentation about audience and even studio trepidation when Connery was first recast. And even Daniel Craig received negative feedback from audiences. Actually, it's very similar. There's even a combative female love interest for Strange, just as Pepper was for Tony. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 22:19:27 GMT
The James Bond series survives BECAUSE of recasts. Terrible example. It's a great example. There's plenty of documentation about audience and even studio trepidation when Connery was first recast. And even Daniel Craig received negative feedback from audiences. Actually, it's very similar. There's even a combative female love interest for Strange, just as Pepper was for Tony. Nope. Its a terrible example, because the Bond series survives because of recasts. Nope. Its completely different. And you've just proved you didn't watch the movie, because she's not combative and she's not his love interest anymore by the end of the film. It is over between them. The DCEU and FoX-Men boards are over there, hater. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 22:22:48 GMT
Yes, it's survived. Whether something survives is irrelevant to recasts upsetting the status quo. As I pointed out, Craig received a lot of flak. People were upset.
Gotta disagree. It's not completely different. As I pointed out: Genius billionaire playboy suffers life altering accident and turns his life around to helping others. Right down to the quips and goatee.
Iron Man or Doctor Strange? Both is the answer. Beat for beat. Both even travel to an Asian country.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 4, 2017 22:23:20 GMT
Agreed. Marvel's main issue seems to be bypassing any potential drama or at least not following up on it. At the end of The Avengers, the big hanging thread is how will the Avengers come back together now that they've scattered to the wind. Yet at the beginning of Age of Ultron, they're all back together fighting against evil as if nothing happened with no explanation as to how they came together. They bypass serious drama because they are cowards who need to showcase their heros as infallible instead of presenting real emotion and conflict. Its all fake. Hardly, the MCU heroes are less "perfect" than the ones in X-Men or DC. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 4, 2017 22:25:05 GMT
They killed off Logan in some far future future unconnected to the rest of the series. If they killed him in the present THEN it would be a change. As it is, it's a cop-out. As for the MCU, I suppose you need Tony to be fanatically scouring the globe in a non-stop quest to kill Steve for things to be changed? Nah, I would have like Tony and Steve to still show they are fundamentally opposed but not write a stupid love letter. These guys tried to kill each other or seriously harm their allies and the audience is meant to believe that a simple letter from Cap cleans the air? Nope not buying it. Feige wanted a happy ending to make viewer's not question the purpose of the rest of the film. Nothing is resolved or concluded. Throw in a Tony Stank joke as well to make the dumb masses forget the serious tone "Civil War" was supposed to attain. Look at the ending of Dark Knight or Xmen First Class on how serious matters are not resolved completely but leaves the audience satisfied yet still questioning. Dark Knight's ending was rushed and nonsensical, because they decided to waste Two-Face as a character and merely made him a product of Joker. And First Class was predictable as well. Basically, yes you are admitting that you need Civil War to end with Tony psychotically hunting for Steve and Bucky and Steve being an irresponsible douchebag who wouldn't try to extend the olive branch. But of course it's okay for Xavier to keep forgiving Magneto. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 4, 2017 22:26:22 GMT
[Well who says the letter cleared the air? Tony just decided to not pursue Steve; they are not friends! The ending to CW didn't justify the violence we saw during it. And the only arrogant users on this board are samhmd, Thatguy and weirdraptor. There's more precedence to say that'll be the case: Pepper Potts. Civil War treated her and Tony's break up with some real gravitas. It was obvious losing her greatly affected Tony and may have been a factor in his state of mind. Yet by the time of Spiderman Homecoming, they're back together seemingly on their way to a public engagement. Literally none of the drama of Pepper dumping Tony is touched upon. There's just a reconciliation out of nowhere. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 4, 2017 22:26:27 GMT
They killed off Logan in some far future future unconnected to the rest of the series. If they killed him in the present THEN it would be a change. As it is, it's a cop-out. As for the MCU, I suppose you need Tony to be fanatically scouring the globe in a non-stop quest to kill Steve for things to be changed? None the less, the character, or more precisely the actor most associated with him, is gone. That's a huge shake up to the status quo anyway you look at it. Barring a return. But as of now, that's not in the stars. And no, that is not at all what I would need for things to be changed in the MCU. I'm pretty sure I made it clear what I'd like. Simply having no scene of Steve sending Tony a "P.S. I still love you" care package. Don't know why you'd think I want Tony hunting Steve down like he was Hannibal Lecter. Doesn't matter, if it's some future AU. So Steve should be an irresponsible douchebag who doesn't even try to extend and olive branch? I suppose he should've left the others to rot in the Raft as well. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 4, 2017 22:27:40 GMT
That explanation was given in Agents of S.H.I.E.L.D. . #itsallconnected That's a weak excuse. A movie isn't supposed to depend on a TV show to fill in the plotholes in the movie. If it's explained in a tie-in, then it's not a plothole. Stop being so reactionary. |
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Post by Deleted on Sept 4, 2017 22:28:28 GMT
Yes, it's survived. Whether something survives is irrelevant to recasts upsetting the status quo. As I pointed out, Craig received a lot of flak. People were upset. Gotta disagree. It's not completely different. As I pointed out: Genius billionaire playboy suffers life altering accident and turns his life around to helping others. Right down to the quips and goatee. Iron Man or Doctor Strange? Both is the answer. Beat for beat. Both even travel to an Asian country. Nope. Recasts do not upset the status quo. People can whine all they want, but they were still going to see the new Bond film. There was zero risk. Nope. Its completely different. The very nature of the Doctor Strange persona made for a completely different experience. Nope. Pepper is still with Tony and apparently getting married to him. Strange gave up his ex completely by the end of his first film and it had long been over for her. Please continue showing us that you've never seen the film. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 4, 2017 22:29:42 GMT
Upsetting the status quo involves taking your viewers out of their comfort zone. They're stayed safely within the "grounded, let's-reuse-all-the-tropes-from-the-previous-films" territory completely. Like how all the 3 main Avenger films use the same trope of a villain causing them to fight each other before banding together and defeating said villain? You must really hate Star Wars, Star Trek, Dr Who, Lord of the Rings...so many "cliches". |
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