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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Sept 5, 2017 13:17:27 GMT
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 19:21:51 GMT
Nope. Wrong again. Recasting Bond has always been without any sort of risk. Nope. Its superficial. You're just a hater. Not even remotely true. They're completely different. Mordo was a mentor, alongside The Ancient One. Wong was the sidekick. And Mordo becomes a villain. Wrong again. It never upset the status quo in the first place. Besides which, as I said in a comment you chose to ignore, the MCU is getting a complete status quo overhaul, starting next year. Even Daniel Craig proves that's not true. He was a big risk. Many people didn't like his casting. Besides, again no risk doesn't mean the status quo wasn't upset. You can upset the status quo without taking a risk. They're not intertwined. Sorry, but plot is not superficial. It's the whole point of movies. Pretty crucial to them. Mordo had more screentime and played a bigger part in Stephen's journey. He was the sidekick. And as for Strange not getting the girl at the end, thank you. That's another way it's like Iron Man. Tony didn't get the girl at the end of Iron Man 1 either. Like I said, Strange is just a retread. "It never upset the status quo in the first place." That's pretty much what I've been saying. Marvel doesn't like to upset the status quo. Glad you finally see the light. The status quo was not upset in the slightest for the Bond series. Nope. The similarities are superficial. Nope. Mordo was a co-mentor to The Ancient One. Wong was the sidekick, and Mordo becomes a villain. Actually, that's not a way its like Ironman at all. Tony DID get the girl at the end of Ironman 1. Like I said, Strange isn't a retreat at all. "Dormammu, I've come to bargain" alone makes it unique. Actually, you're still wrong. Marvel IS upsetting the status quo, constantly, and the status quo is in for the biggest overhaul yet next year. Just admit that you're a petty little hater already.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 5, 2017 19:35:36 GMT
There is a nice comfort zone between spoonfeeding and glossing over things with no explanation. I know that's been Joss's problem since Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but I didn't think it'd spread to the rest of the MCU. It hasn't. The MCU is getting its biggest overhaul next year. A fact that you keep ignoring because it suits your needs to do so.
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 5, 2017 22:49:13 GMT
Having every single dramatic aspect be controlled like that comes off as contrived, sometimes you don't need everything to be focused on. Civil War had that be ONE possible thing going through Tony's head, but surely not the only thing. And anyways, with all the complaints about Tony being in Homecoming having more of it be dedicated to explaining that he and Pepper got back together would've just been more ammo for the people who were out to dislike the movie.Spoonfeeding isn't exactly good for storytelling. You don't see X-Fans up in arms over how Xavier came back in DOFP without properly explaining it was due to that after credits scene in X3. Then it'd be better off being saved for when it could be properly addressed instead of being thrown in as if nothing had happened. But that's the thing about X-Men. At least they had something. There is literally nothing for Tony/Pepper. One movie they're broken up and Tony is torn up about it. The next movie they're on their way to a public engagement. There is a nice comfort zone between spoonfeeding and glossing over things with no explanation. I know that's been Joss's problem since Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but I didn't think it'd spread to the rest of the MCU. They glossed over how exactly Xavier pulled that whole mind transfer thing off, why he looks exactly the same, why he still had his powers, etc. None of that was explained. "We're on a break and decided to give it another chance" is a pretty realistic take on a relationship. We don't know how the engagement thing will work out. Like I said, X-Men glosses over things more than MCU.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 0:04:36 GMT
Then it'd be better off being saved for when it could be properly addressed instead of being thrown in as if nothing had happened. But that's the thing about X-Men. At least they had something. There is literally nothing for Tony/Pepper. One movie they're broken up and Tony is torn up about it. The next movie they're on their way to a public engagement. There is a nice comfort zone between spoonfeeding and glossing over things with no explanation. I know that's been Joss's problem since Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but I didn't think it'd spread to the rest of the MCU. They glossed over how exactly Xavier pulled that whole mind transfer thing off, why he looks exactly the same, why he still had his powers, etc. None of that was explained. "We're on a break and decided to give it another chance" is a pretty realistic take on a relationship. We don't know how the engagement thing will work out. Like I said, X-Men glosses over things more than MCU. Is there a reason PreachCaleb keeps ignoring the fact that the MCU's status quo is getting a huge overhaul next year?
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 6, 2017 13:12:43 GMT
Then it'd be better off being saved for when it could be properly addressed instead of being thrown in as if nothing had happened. But that's the thing about X-Men. At least they had something. There is literally nothing for Tony/Pepper. One movie they're broken up and Tony is torn up about it. The next movie they're on their way to a public engagement. There is a nice comfort zone between spoonfeeding and glossing over things with no explanation. I know that's been Joss's problem since Buffy the Vampire Slayer, but I didn't think it'd spread to the rest of the MCU. They glossed over how exactly Xavier pulled that whole mind transfer thing off, why he looks exactly the same, why he still had his powers, etc. None of that was explained. "We're on a break and decided to give it another chance" is a pretty realistic take on a relationship. We don't know how the engagement thing will work out.Like I said, X-Men glosses over things more than MCU. But Homecoming didn't even have that. At least we know Xavier is a psychic, and we were given some scene to show he was still alive. But sure, I'll give you X-Men glossed over it; it doesn't excuse MCU.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 6, 2017 13:14:30 GMT
They glossed over how exactly Xavier pulled that whole mind transfer thing off, why he looks exactly the same, why he still had his powers, etc. None of that was explained. "We're on a break and decided to give it another chance" is a pretty realistic take on a relationship. We don't know how the engagement thing will work out. Like I said, X-Men glosses over things more than MCU. Is there a reason PreachCaleb keeps ignoring the fact that the MCU's status quo is getting a huge overhaul next year? We're not in the future, raptor. This is only about stuff that has actually happened. The future doesn't excuse the current fear of upsetting the status quo. When that happens, cool. Until then, we're discussing what's been released.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 6, 2017 13:20:04 GMT
Even Daniel Craig proves that's not true. He was a big risk. Many people didn't like his casting. Besides, again no risk doesn't mean the status quo wasn't upset. You can upset the status quo without taking a risk. They're not intertwined. Sorry, but plot is not superficial. It's the whole point of movies. Pretty crucial to them. Mordo had more screentime and played a bigger part in Stephen's journey. He was the sidekick. And as for Strange not getting the girl at the end, thank you. That's another way it's like Iron Man. Tony didn't get the girl at the end of Iron Man 1 either. Like I said, Strange is just a retread. "It never upset the status quo in the first place." That's pretty much what I've been saying. Marvel doesn't like to upset the status quo. Glad you finally see the light. The status quo was not upset in the slightest for the Bond series. Nope. The similarities are superficial. Nope. Mordo was a co-mentor to The Ancient One. Wong was the sidekick, and Mordo becomes a villain. Actually, that's not a way its like Ironman at all. Tony DID get the girl at the end of Ironman 1. Like I said, Strange isn't a retreat at all. "Dormammu, I've come to bargain" alone makes it unique. Actually, you're still wrong. Marvel IS upsetting the status quo, constantly, and the status quo is in for the biggest overhaul yet next year. Just admit that you're a petty little hater already. The status quo is always upset in the Bond movies. Every recast comes with changes. The fall of the Soviet Union changed the tone of the movies. The ridiculousness of Moonraker is nothing like the more espionage-focus of Connery. And Craig brought a gritty reboot. Plot is not superficial. That's the foundation of movies. Tony didn't get the girl at the end of Iron Man. Sorry, now you're just making things up that didn't happen. Please don't do that. Tony and Pepper don't date until Iron Man 2. Marvel just doesn't upset the status quo. Even you've said it yourself. I have you quoted. "It never upset the status quo in the first place."
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 6, 2017 13:56:37 GMT
They glossed over how exactly Xavier pulled that whole mind transfer thing off, why he looks exactly the same, why he still had his powers, etc. None of that was explained. "We're on a break and decided to give it another chance" is a pretty realistic take on a relationship. We don't know how the engagement thing will work out.Like I said, X-Men glosses over things more than MCU. But Homecoming didn't even have that. At least we know Xavier is a psychic, and we were given some scene to show he was still alive. But sure, I'll give you X-Men glossed over it; it doesn't excuse MCU. Homecoming gave us the plot point that they might be engaged. We'll need to wait til Infinity Wars to see how it works out. We didn't see her say "yes". I'm saying that if your critique Homecoming for this, but excuse X-Men, then it's a double standard.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 6, 2017 14:03:11 GMT
The point is they were together again. Without explanation. Anything set up in Civil War is undone. Tony's struggle and sadness over the break up. Gone because he and Pepper are back together out of nowhere. That engagement plot point came out afterwards. The problem is everything missing before it.
I'm saying: "But sure, I'll give you X-Men glossed over it." So where's the double standard?
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Post by formersamhmd on Sept 6, 2017 14:32:16 GMT
The point is they were together again. Without explanation. Anything set up in Civil War is undone. Tony's struggle and sadness over the break up. Gone because he and Pepper are back together out of nowhere. That engagement plot point came out afterwards. The problem is everything missing before it. I'm saying: "But sure, I'll give you X-Men glossed over it." So where's the double standard? Well, you're admitting to X-Men doing the same thing so I won't push it any further. But I'm guessing Infinity Wars will shine some light on the subject, as opposed to not doing anything like X-Men did.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Sept 6, 2017 14:36:16 GMT
Here's to Infinity Wars. Whether it sheds light or not, it's gonna be a blast.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 15:34:36 GMT
Is there a reason PreachCaleb keeps ignoring the fact that the MCU's status quo is getting a huge overhaul next year? We're not in the future, raptor. This is only about stuff that has actually happened. The future doesn't excuse the current fear of upsetting the status quo. When that happens, cool. Until then, we're discussing what's been released. There is no fear of upsetting the status quo. You're just a dumbass.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 15:38:27 GMT
The status quo was not upset in the slightest for the Bond series. Nope. The similarities are superficial. Nope. Mordo was a co-mentor to The Ancient One. Wong was the sidekick, and Mordo becomes a villain. Actually, that's not a way its like Ironman at all. Tony DID get the girl at the end of Ironman 1. Like I said, Strange isn't a retreat at all. "Dormammu, I've come to bargain" alone makes it unique. Actually, you're still wrong. Marvel IS upsetting the status quo, constantly, and the status quo is in for the biggest overhaul yet next year. Just admit that you're a petty little hater already. The status quo is always upset in the Bond movies. Every recast comes with changes. The fall of the Soviet Union changed the tone of the movies. The ridiculousness of Moonraker is nothing like the more espionage-focus of Connery. And Craig brought a gritty reboot. Plot is not superficial. That's the foundation of movies. Tony didn't get the girl at the end of Iron Man. Sorry, now you're just making things up that didn't happen. Please don't do that. Tony and Pepper don't date until Iron Man 2. Marvel just doesn't upset the status quo. Even you've said it yourself. I have you quoted. "It never upset the status quo in the first place."
Nope. Wrong Again. The status quo has never been upset in the Bond series. The similarities between Ironman 1 and Doctor Strange are completely superficial. No, Tony did get the girl at the end of Ironman 1. Its pretty clear to anyone with a brain that he and Pepper are in the process of entering a relationship. Strange lost Christine in the first act of the film and he is never getting her back. No, Marvel upsets the status quo all the time. You're just too stupid to see it. The issue of Pepper Potts is small potatoes. They're in the process of systematically introducing the new generation of Avengers for when the old guard retires throughout next year and 2019. That is a huge upset.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Sept 6, 2017 15:44:59 GMT
Geez, who cares about "status quo" or romantic relationships in super hero/action/fantasy movies? As long as the movies continue to be entertaining and the action continues to be awesome and the characters remain likable they will continue to be successful. Like them or don't like them but these endless threads about non-issues are just blowing smoke.
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Post by Deleted on Sept 6, 2017 15:54:05 GMT
Geez, who cares about "status quo" or romantic relationships in super hero/action/fantasy movies? As long as the movies continue to be entertaining and the action continues to be awesome and the characters remain likable they will continue to be successful. Like them or don't like them but these endless threads about non-issues are just blowing smoke. I would rather have a thousand needles driven through my eyes before I let PreachCaleb convince me of anything.
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