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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 19:53:26 GMT
it's great but it's been cleanly surpassed several times now. Nope. Logan might be the one exception. No other CBM has garnered a major Academy Award, nor have any of them come as close to being nominated for Best Picture or Best Director. TDK forced the Academy to change their rules regarding Best Picture nominations. Marvel has not managed to come anywhere near that.
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Jul 19, 2017 20:13:59 GMT
it's great but it's been cleanly surpassed several times now. Nope. Logan might be the one exception. No other CBM has garnered a major Academy Award, nor have any of them come as close to being nominated for Best Picture or Best Director. TDK forced the Academy to change their rules regarding Best Picture nominations. Marvel has not managed to come anywhere near that. If you're going by that logic how can you say Logan might be an exception when it isn't award season yet and no nominees have been announced or speculated? And as far as changing the rules for Best Picture nominations how is it that there still hasn't been a comic book movie that has been nominated for said award since?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:15:42 GMT
Nope. Logan might be the one exception. No other CBM has garnered a major Academy Award, nor have any of them come as close to being nominated for Best Picture or Best Director. TDK forced the Academy to change their rules regarding Best Picture nominations. Marvel has not managed to come anywhere near that. If you're going by that logic how can you say Logan might be an exception when it isn't award season yet and no nominees have been announced or speculated? And as far as changing the rules for Best Picture nominations how is it that there still hasn't been a comic book movie that has been nominated for said award since? DK, you're arguing with the idiot who single-handedly restarted the MCU vs. DCEU flame war on this site. Just a head's up.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jul 19, 2017 20:22:09 GMT
it's great but it's been cleanly surpassed several times now. Nope. Logan might be the one exception. No other CBM has garnered a major Academy Award, nor have any of them come as close to being nominated for Best Picture or Best Director. TDK forced the Academy to change their rules regarding Best Picture nominations. Marvel has not managed to come anywhere near that. do i look like a person who gives a flying pig what the Academy thinks?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:34:06 GMT
If you're going by that logic how can you say Logan might be an exception when it isn't award season yet and no nominees have been announced or speculated? And as far as changing the rules for Best Picture nominations how is it that there still hasn't been a comic book movie that has been nominated for said award since? DK, you're arguing with the idiot who single-handedly restarted the MCU vs. DCEU flame war on this site. Just a head's up. That was you, Marveltard. You got max-level butthurt when I said Ant-Man was terrible.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2017 20:37:56 GMT
Warner Bros. Pictures and DC Entertainment gave us the Gold Standard for modern superhero blockbuster filmmaking: The Dark Knight. What an epic achievement that has yet to be topped! Wouldn't "Gold Standard" mean that other movies would try to emulate it? The only movies that tried to emulate it were a couple Superman movies that people didn't like because Superman isn't a dark character. And I remember how a lot of DC fans didn't like it because it was more a mob/crime movie than a Batman movie. It being too much like Heat. Oh how the tables have turned because anti-Marvel fans need an anchor.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:43:19 GMT
DK, you're arguing with the idiot who single-handedly restarted the MCU vs. DCEU flame war on this site. Just a head's up. That was you, Marveltard. You got max-level butthurt when I said Ant-Man was terrible. Wrong again, bumpkin. I even said I don't care what you think of Ant-Man. I asked you not to make judgments about the MCU fandom after you call us all "monkeys trained to laugh on cue."
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:47:26 GMT
Warner Bros. Pictures and DC Entertainment gave us the Gold Standard for modern superhero blockbuster filmmaking: The Dark Knight. What an epic achievement that has yet to be topped! Wouldn't "Gold Standard" mean that other movies would try to emulate it? The only movies that tried to emulate it were a couple Superman movies that people didn't like because Superman isn't a dark character. And I remember how a lot of DC fans didn't like it because it was more a mob/crime movie than a Batman movie. It being too much like Heat. Oh how the tables have turned because anti-Marvel fans need an anchor. You're re-writing history. Everyone knows that TDK was the most triumphant movie if CBM history. Even the Academy Awards had to adjust how they do business because of it. Marvel has come nowhere close to that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 20:53:10 GMT
Wouldn't "Gold Standard" mean that other movies would try to emulate it? The only movies that tried to emulate it were a couple Superman movies that people didn't like because Superman isn't a dark character. And I remember how a lot of DC fans didn't like it because it was more a mob/crime movie than a Batman movie. It being too much like Heat. Oh how the tables have turned because anti-Marvel fans need an anchor. You're re-writing history. Everyone knows that TDK was the most triumphant movie if CBM history. Even the Academy Awards had to adjust how they do business because of it. Marvel has come nowhere close to that. The only reason the Academy looked at it was because Ledger (already an Academy Darling) died.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:53:41 GMT
That was you, Marveltard. You got max-level butthurt when I said Ant-Man was terrible. Wrong again, bumpkin. I even said I don't care what you think of Ant-Man. I asked you not to make judgments about the MCU fandom after you call us all "monkeys trained to laugh on cue." You are LITERALLY the definition of a dancing monkey though. You get butthurt when people criticize your corporate overlords, and you REFUSE to acknowledge when they majorly fuck things up. You are their perfect little sheep.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 20:55:31 GMT
Eh, it needed an omnipotent villain to work. That's just lazy writing.
the writing is based on the Freudian principles, with the the Joker representing the ID. It would be a utterly boring and futile exercise if the raging Id was not all-powerful and potent, but immediately repressed by the superego and the ego.
So once again Nolan chooses to write about archetypes and fanatics rather than whole characters. Lazy. That and the BS philosophies espoused by the movie and how Nolan is too cowardly to have anyone outright challenge them (that garbage about "Die a Hero or inevitably become a villain").
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 20:56:23 GMT
Eh, it needed an omnipotent villain to work. That's just lazy writing. Lazy argument. Nope, if you need to make your villain omnipotent and omniscient to drive the plot it's because you're a lazy writer. Same with making the villain the star of the show because you had no faith in the hero to carry the film or in internal conflict.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 20:57:24 GMT
Wrong again, bumpkin. I even said I don't care what you think of Ant-Man. I asked you not to make judgments about the MCU fandom after you call us all "monkeys trained to laugh on cue." You are LITERALLY the definition of a dancing monkey though. You get butthurt when people criticize your corporate overlords, and you REFUSE to acknowledge when they majorly fuck things up. You are their perfect little sheep. Sorry, got no time to listen to the same old false argument you've always used as well as your refusal to take any responsibility for your own actions. Also, pot. You're in no position to say anything about my mental capacity when you think "Martha" is an even remotely acceptable way to get Murderman and Pseudoman to stop fighting.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 20:57:39 GMT
Eh, it needed an omnipotent villain to work. That's just lazy writing. I've never understood the argument against the Joker in TDK. "Everything seemed to go his way." That's just lazy viewing, you're not putting any thought into it. The guy had contingency plans and lied constantly. He gave multiple origin stories, reversed the addresses of his hostages and insisted he didn't have a plan while essentially revealing his plan. Chaos was his ultimate goal and he succeeded. You don't need to be omnipotent in order to induce panic in the general public. Blow up buildings, execute public officials and stage shootouts in the street and believe me you're going to generate some chaos. If Batman doesn't show up and Joker kills Harvey in the streets, Joker still wins. If Joker doesn't get caught and still sends the fat guy with a bomb into the MCU, Joker still wins. An omnipotent Joker kills the Mayor. An omnipotent Joker gets the people on each ferry to blow themselves up. An omnipotent Joker gets the police to blow away the hostages who are wearing masks at the end. Everything didn't go his way, but he still achieved his ultimate goal. I don't know if enough people realize the Joker won in TDK. He turned the DA into a homicidal maniac, he convinced average people to try to kill Reese, he killed Batman's love interest and he ultimately forced Batman to 'break his one rule' then become an outlaw. Chaos. Chaos was his goal, and about as non-specific a goal as you're going to find. Mission accomplished, and to be honest he put much more planning into it than he needed to. That he was always able to pull off every plan, always had bombs in just the right place, everyone did exactly as he commanded, no one questioned or outsmarted him, etc. That's omnipotent enough. And lazy writing.
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jul 19, 2017 21:04:35 GMT
if you need to make your villain omnipotent and omniscient to drive the plot it's because you're a lazy writer. Same with making the villain the star of the show how do you reckon Thanos will be portrayed?
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2017 21:05:04 GMT
Wouldn't "Gold Standard" mean that other movies would try to emulate it? The only movies that tried to emulate it were a couple Superman movies that people didn't like because Superman isn't a dark character. And I remember how a lot of DC fans didn't like it because it was more a mob/crime movie than a Batman movie. It being too much like Heat. Oh how the tables have turned because anti-Marvel fans need an anchor. You're re-writing history. Everyone knows that TDK was the most triumphant movie if CBM history. Even the Academy Awards had to adjust how they do business because of it. Marvel has come nowhere close to that. Yes, there was a lot of people that did like the movie (like myself) because they understand Batman, but... There was also a lot of people that hated it because of what I mentioned above. Until there is another DC movie at that level (or even almost to it), you guys will worship of the alter of TDK. When that time comes you all will forget about it like Batman '89. If you recall, Batman '89 was the "Gold Standard."
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 21:08:02 GMT
if you need to make your villain omnipotent and omniscient to drive the plot it's because you're a lazy writer. Same with making the villain the star of the show how do you reckon Thanos will be portrayed? We'll have to wait and see.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:08:48 GMT
You're re-writing history. Everyone knows that TDK was the most triumphant movie if CBM history. Even the Academy Awards had to adjust how they do business because of it. Marvel has come nowhere close to that. Yes, there was a lot of people that did like the movie (like myself) because they understand Batman, but... There was also a lot of people that hated it because of what I mentioned above. Until there is another DC movie at that level (or even almost to it), you guys will worship of the alter of TDK. When that time comes you all will forget about it like Batman '89. If you recall, Batman '89 was the "Gold Standard." What you're describing was a microscopic minority of people. Not even worth mentioning. TDK was critical and commercial triumph that shook the very fabric of the Academy Awards.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 21:09:42 GMT
Yes, there was a lot of people that did like the movie (like myself) because they understand Batman, but... There was also a lot of people that hated it because of what I mentioned above. Until there is another DC movie at that level (or even almost to it), you guys will worship of the alter of TDK. When that time comes you all will forget about it like Batman '89. If you recall, Batman '89 was the "Gold Standard." What you're describing was a microscopic minority of people. Not even worth mentioning. TDK was critical and commercial triumph that shook the very fabric of the Academy Awards. Because the Academy Darling in that movie died and the movie exploited that to get noticed. Sad, but true.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:10:32 GMT
You are LITERALLY the definition of a dancing monkey though. You get butthurt when people criticize your corporate overlords, and you REFUSE to acknowledge when they majorly fuck things up. You are their perfect little sheep. Sorry, got no time to listen to the same old false argument you've always used as well as your refusal to take any responsibility for your own actions. Also, pot. You're in no position to say anything about my mental capacity when you think "Martha" is an even remotely acceptable way to get Murderman and Pseudoman to stop fighting. Where did I defend the Martha scene, dumb dumb? The great thing about these boards is that you can look up old posts (such as the one where you started crying IMMEDIATELY after I said Ant-Man sucked). It was like I had just popped a child's balloon. You had to be put on suicide watch. I was genuinely scared for you.
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