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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 19, 2017 21:17:23 GMT
the writing is based on the Freudian principles, with the the Joker representing the ID. It would be a utterly boring and futile exercise if the raging Id was not all-powerful and potent, but immediately repressed by the superego and the ego.
So once again Nolan chooses to write about archetypes and fanatics rather than whole characters. Lazy. That and the BS philosophies espoused by the movie and how Nolan is too cowardly to have anyone outright challenge them (that garbage about "Die a Hero or inevitably become a villain"). The Freudian structural model are not "archetypes", sam; that would be CG Jung with the archetypes (a disciple of Freud). How can you criticize if when do not understand the underlying concepts? Lazy. Btw Nolan gets showered in awards and accolades (MCU gets not). He is on top in the 250 with all his films, even the bad-ish ones (MCU is not). Dunkirk seems a triumph and does not include silly laser battles in the time of the holocaust (MCU is for people ashamed of graphic novels). Nolan wins.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2017 21:23:31 GMT
Yes, there was a lot of people that did like the movie (like myself) because they understand Batman, but... There was also a lot of people that hated it because of what I mentioned above. Until there is another DC movie at that level (or even almost to it), you guys will worship of the alter of TDK. When that time comes you all will forget about it like Batman '89. If you recall, Batman '89 was the "Gold Standard." What you're describing was a microscopic minority of people. Not even worth mentioning. TDK was critical and commercial triumph that shook the very fabric of the Academy Awards. "...shook the very fabric of the Academy Awards." Did you shake your fist in the air as you thought that? If that was the case, they would have just put that in the category. Expanding the nominations won't solve anything when they'll just vote for the same movies as before. It's bone throwing to make the category bigger just to make you happier to see "Best Picture Nominee" on your new DVD.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:26:16 GMT
Sorry, got no time to listen to the same old false argument you've always used as well as your refusal to take any responsibility for your own actions. Also, pot. You're in no position to say anything about my mental capacity when you think "Martha" is an even remotely acceptable way to get Murderman and Pseudoman to stop fighting. Where did I defend the Martha scene, dumb dumb? The great thing about these boards is that you can look up old posts (such as the one where you started crying IMMEDIATELY after I said Ant-Man sucked). It was like I had just popped a child's balloon. You had to be put on suicide watch. I was genuinely scared for you. Wrong again, dumb-dumb. If you actually reread my reply to you in that post, my issue was with what you said about the Marvel fandom. You don't have to openly defend the Martha scene for me to know you're stupid enough to enjoy it.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2017 21:26:33 GMT
So once again Nolan chooses to write about archetypes and fanatics rather than whole characters. Lazy. That and the BS philosophies espoused by the movie and how Nolan is too cowardly to have anyone outright challenge them (that garbage about "Die a Hero or inevitably become a villain"). The Freudian structural model are not "archetypes", sam; that would be CG Jung with the archetypes (a disciple of Freud). How can you criticize if when do not understand the underlying concepts? Lazy. Btw Nolan gets showered in awards and accolades (MCU gets not). He is on top in the 250 with all his films, even the bad-ish ones (MCU is not). Dunkirk seems a triumph and does not include silly laser battles in the time of the holocaust (MCU is for people ashamed of graphic novels). Nolan wins. What awards did Nolan win?
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:26:57 GMT
What you're describing was a microscopic minority of people. Not even worth mentioning. TDK was critical and commercial triumph that shook the very fabric of the Academy Awards. "...shook the very fabric of the Academy Awards." Did you shake your fist in the air as you thought that? If that was the case, they would have just put that in the category. Expanding the nominations won't solve anything when they'll just vote for the same movies as before. It's bone throwing to make the category bigger just to make you happier to see "Best Picture Nominee" on your new DVD. Don't be so bitter. Marvel might one day make something worthy of awards consideration (when they decide to stop pandering to the lowest common denominator).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:27:42 GMT
Where did I defend the Martha scene, dumb dumb? The great thing about these boards is that you can look up old posts (such as the one where you started crying IMMEDIATELY after I said Ant-Man sucked). It was like I had just popped a child's balloon. You had to be put on suicide watch. I was genuinely scared for you. Wrong again, dumb-dumb. If you actually reread my reply to you in that post, my issue was with what you said about the Marvel fandom. You don't have to openly defend the Martha scene for me to know you're stupid enough to enjoy it. What I said about Marvel fans 100% applies to you. You are a moron who loyally follows your corporate overlords. That much is clear.
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Post by kevin on Jul 19, 2017 21:31:44 GMT
Well, it only took a few posts before this thread became a DC vs Marvel fight.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 19, 2017 21:31:50 GMT
Nolan! Nolan! Chris! Chris! Nolan! Nolan! Chris! Chris!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:35:21 GMT
Well, it only took a few posts before this thread became a DC vs Marvel fight. Yes. The MCU Zombies are very jealous of TDK. They couldn't let us normal people just appreciate the cinematic triumph that is DC's The Dark Knight.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 19, 2017 21:38:19 GMT
Well, it only took a few posts before this thread became a DC vs Marvel fight. correction: Nolan vs MCU. And Nolan wins.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 21:41:10 GMT
So once again Nolan chooses to write about archetypes and fanatics rather than whole characters. Lazy. That and the BS philosophies espoused by the movie and how Nolan is too cowardly to have anyone outright challenge them (that garbage about "Die a Hero or inevitably become a villain"). The Freudian structural model are not "archetypes", sam; that would be CG Jung with the archetypes (a disciple of Freud). How can you criticize if when do not understand the underlying concepts? Lazy. Btw Nolan gets showered in awards and accolades (MCU gets not). He is on top in the 250 with all his films, even the bad-ish ones (MCU is not). Dunkirk seems a triumph and does not include silly laser battles in the time of the holocaust (MCU is for people ashamed of graphic novels). Nolan wins. Duh, Nolan panders to the Academy and their lazy standards even when the films are very basic and boneheaded (Inception, for one). The MCU has a harder fight because they refuse to pander, and even then they make the 250 list regardless. And he hasn't won many awards. As for Dunkirk, it's Oscar Bait. A WWII Historical Drama, that's like a money printer for the Academy's sensibilities.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 21:50:24 GMT
Wrong again, dumb-dumb. If you actually reread my reply to you in that post, my issue was with what you said about the Marvel fandom. You don't have to openly defend the Martha scene for me to know you're stupid enough to enjoy it. What I said about Marvel fans 100% applies to you. You are a moron who loyally follows your corporate overlords. That much is clear. Actually, that's you. You are a moron who loyally follows your corporate overlords. That much is clear.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 19, 2017 21:56:11 GMT
The Freudian structural model are not "archetypes", sam; that would be CG Jung with the archetypes (a disciple of Freud). How can you criticize if when do not understand the underlying concepts? Lazy. Btw Nolan gets showered in awards and accolades (MCU gets not). He is on top in the 250 with all his films, even the bad-ish ones (MCU is not). Dunkirk seems a triumph and does not include silly laser battles in the time of the holocaust (MCU is for people ashamed of graphic novels). Nolan wins. What awards did Nolan win? dude, it's Nolan. The man himself is an award to mankind: Nolan. There is hardly an award imaginable that Nolan and his films/actors did not win, ranging from Oscars down to the very silly MTV ones. And guess who is finally coming for an best film/best director Oscars this year. Nolan! Not MCU! Nolan wins. The list of Nolan awards and nominations is too long for non-Nolan men to bear: www.imdb.com/name/nm0634240/awards
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2017 22:03:45 GMT
What awards did Nolan win? dude, it's Nolan. The man himself is an award to mankind: Nolan. There is hardly an award imaginable that Nolan and his films/actors did not win, ranging from Oscars down to the very silly MTV ones. And guess who is finally coming for an best film/best director Oscars this year. Nolan! Not MCU! Nolan wins. The list of Nolan awards and nominations is too long for non-Nolan men to bear: www.imdb.com/name/nm0634240/awardsSo he just got nomination and some AFI awards. Some Critics Choice awards. Some neighborhood film festive awards. And is he up for an Oscar this year? Wait, was Dunkirk a CBM? Was it based on this book?
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Post by DC-Fan on Jul 19, 2017 22:04:15 GMT
Well, it only took a few posts before this thread became a DC vs Marvel fight. This was a thread about TDK, but then MCU zombies like formersamhmd, judgejosephdredd, and weirdraptor who are jealous of how great TDK was turned this thread into a DC vs MCU fight.
That's similar to how the DC vs MCU war started in 2008. When Iron Man was released in May 2008, MCU fans were talking trash and bragging about how Iron Man would dominate The Dark Knight at the box office. Then The Dark Knight was released in July 2008 and set all kinds of box office records. The MCU fans got jealous and started throwing hissy fits and wrote many posts saying The Dark Knight was over-rated.
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Post by ThatGuy on Jul 19, 2017 22:07:55 GMT
"...shook the very fabric of the Academy Awards." Did you shake your fist in the air as you thought that? If that was the case, they would have just put that in the category. Expanding the nominations won't solve anything when they'll just vote for the same movies as before. It's bone throwing to make the category bigger just to make you happier to see "Best Picture Nominee" on your new DVD. Don't be so bitter. Marvel might one day make something worthy of awards consideration (when they decide to stop pandering to the lowest common denominator). Bitter? I'm just wondering who, besides evil masterminds and guys that ran from the evil mastermind's doomsday machine, says "shook the very fabric" these days. And one day the DCEU might make a good movie. Who will blink first.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 19, 2017 22:16:08 GMT
Duh, Nolan panders to the Academy and their lazy standards even when the films are very basic and boneheaded (Inception, for one). The MCU has a harder fight because they refuse to pander, and even then they make the 250 list regardless. And he hasn't won many awards. As for Dunkirk, it's Oscar Bait. A WWII Historical Drama, that's like a money printer for the Academy's sensibilities. Be careful of scratching that itchy fanboy rash, it's getting worse. Its a cruel world, sam. comedy gold for all ages, you should write for the MCU so that we can avoid these "Hahaha, I am famous for my huge turds" debacles. No they do not make the 250 list alas, except the Raccoon Turd part 1 movie which currently sits at bottom rank 249. But just because of the recent part 2 booster, it will be gone together with all the MCU in a few weeks again. Nolan wins! It's still a cruel world, sam. Nolan wins!
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 22:34:47 GMT
Don't be so bitter. Marvel might one day make something worthy of awards consideration (when they decide to stop pandering to the lowest common denominator). Bitter? I'm just wondering who, besides evil masterminds and guys that ran from the evil mastermind's doomsday machine, says "shook the very fabric" these days. And one day the DCEU might make a good movie. Who will blink first. Now pretending that WW wasn't well-received, eh? Fantasy Land must be nice.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 22:36:04 GMT
Duh, Nolan panders to the Academy and their lazy standards even when the films are very basic and boneheaded (Inception, for one). The MCU has a harder fight because they refuse to pander, and even then they make the 250 list regardless. And he hasn't won many awards. As for Dunkirk, it's Oscar Bait. A WWII Historical Drama, that's like a money printer for the Academy's sensibilities. Be careful of scratching that itchy fanboy rash, it's getting worse. Its a cruel world, sam. comedy gold for all ages, you should write for the MCU so that we can avoid these "Hahaha, I am famous for my huge turds" debacles. No they do not make the 250 list alas, except the Raccoon Turd part 1 movie which currently sits at bottom rank 249. But just because of the recent part 2 booster, it will be gone together with all the MCU in a few weeks again. Nolan wins! It's still a cruel world, sam. Nolan wins! Nolan wins for making Oscar Bait cliches, yes. Sadly it's something that hasn't been bred out of the Academy yet.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Jul 20, 2017 0:20:14 GMT
I liked the more realistic setting approach (as opposed to the neoGothic architecture of the previous ones). However, I think Ledger's death cast a morbidity over it--so I can't say he was the best Joker or the scariest.
Still hate the way the Nolans write dialogue. The black convict talking to the prison guard sounds artificial-like he is speaking as an oracle.
Not the best comic book movie in my view. The original Superman is still a lot more fun and epic.
Robocop, which premiered this week in 1987, is also more comic bookish and fun than the ones I have seen recently.
If I want a slice of life drama I will watch Ordinary People. From a comic book movie I want colorful costumes, strange villains like talking gorillas bent on world domination, and people taking such ridiculous situations seriously.
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