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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 2:42:40 GMT
Warner Bros. Pictures and DC Entertainment gave us the Gold Standard for modern superhero blockbuster filmmaking: The Dark Knight. What an epic achievement that has yet to be topped!
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Post by sdrew13163 on Jul 19, 2017 4:16:35 GMT
It is THE movie of the 21st Century.
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Post by furiousstyles77 on Jul 19, 2017 7:18:15 GMT
Warner Bros. Pictures and DC Entertainment gave us the Gold Standard for modern superhero blockbuster filmmaking: The Dark Knight. What an epic achievement that has yet to be topped! It's not as good as Brandon lees the crow
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 7:29:35 GMT
Still my favorite CBM! Still, that doesn't make lesser CBMS bad. Winter Soldier and Logan are close imo.
Not the best movie of the 21st century though; I think Inception, The Lord of the Rings Trilogy, The original Bourne trilogy, Casino Royale and War for the Planet of the Apes might be better.
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Post by formersamhmd on Jul 19, 2017 10:36:57 GMT
Eh, it needed an omnipotent villain to work. That's just lazy writing.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Jul 19, 2017 10:56:21 GMT
Eh, it needed an omnipotent villain to work. That's just lazy writing.
the writing is based on the Freudian principles, with the the Joker representing the ID. It would be a utterly boring and futile exercise if the raging Id was not all-powerful and potent, but immediately repressed by the superego and the ego.
That being said, the Joker's writing here has certainly some Mary Sue elements (ie Villain Sue and Gary Szu types), by glorifying the Joker and bending the rules of reality to make him seem cool and potent, even at the point where he loses to the superego (Bats) but still wins the game by pushing the ego into the Id abyss, and the Superego going dark.
Pretty sure you have no idea what I am talking about, so: With all criticism TDK is still an a top genre film that artistically transcends the silly limitations of comic book movies. MCU is just for people ashamed of graphic novels.
Btw the only lazy writing I see is yours as you repeat your obtuse deflections ad nauseam.
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Post by charzhino on Jul 19, 2017 11:19:38 GMT
Eh, it needed an omnipotent villain to work. That's just lazy writing. Lazy argument.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 19, 2017 12:01:30 GMT
The best live action Joker performance.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 19, 2017 12:40:32 GMT
Eh, it needed an omnipotent villain to work. That's just lazy writing. I've never understood the argument against the Joker in TDK. "Everything seemed to go his way." That's just lazy viewing, you're not putting any thought into it. The guy had contingency plans and lied constantly. He gave multiple origin stories, reversed the addresses of his hostages and insisted he didn't have a plan while essentially revealing his plan. Chaos was his ultimate goal and he succeeded. You don't need to be omnipotent in order to induce panic in the general public. Blow up buildings, execute public officials and stage shootouts in the street and believe me you're going to generate some chaos. If Batman doesn't show up and Joker kills Harvey in the streets, Joker still wins. If Joker doesn't get caught and still sends the fat guy with a bomb into the MCU, Joker still wins. An omnipotent Joker kills the Mayor. An omnipotent Joker gets the people on each ferry to blow themselves up. An omnipotent Joker gets the police to blow away the hostages who are wearing masks at the end. Everything didn't go his way, but he still achieved his ultimate goal. I don't know if enough people realize the Joker won in TDK. He turned the DA into a homicidal maniac, he convinced average people to try to kill Reese, he killed Batman's love interest and he ultimately forced Batman to 'break his one rule' then become an outlaw. Chaos. Chaos was his goal, and about as non-specific a goal as you're going to find. Mission accomplished, and to be honest he put much more planning into it than he needed to.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 12:56:15 GMT
Eh, it needed an omnipotent villain to work. That's just lazy writing. I've never understood the argument against the Joker in TDK. "Everything seemed to go his way." That's just lazy viewing, you're not putting any thought into it. The guy had contingency plans and lied constantly. He gave multiple origin stories, reversed the addresses of his hostages and insisted he didn't have a plan while essentially revealing his plan. Chaos was his ultimate goal and he succeeded. You don't need to be omnipotent in order to induce panic in the general public. Blow up buildings, execute public officials and stage shootouts in the street and believe me you're going to generate some chaos. If Batman doesn't show up and Joker kills Harvey in the streets, Joker still wins. If Joker doesn't get caught and still sends the fat guy with a bomb into the MCU, Joker still wins. An omnipotent Joker kills the Mayor. An omnipotent Joker gets the people on each ferry to blow themselves up. An omnipotent Joker gets the police to blow away the hostages who are wearing masks at the end. Everything didn't go his way, but he still achieved his ultimate goal. I don't know if enough people realize the Joker won in TDK. He turned the DA into a homicidal maniac, he convinced average people to try to kill Reese, he killed Batman's love interest and he ultimately forced Batman to 'break his one rule' then become an outlaw. Chaos. Chaos was his goal, and about as non-specific a goal as you're going to find. Mission accomplished, and to be honest he put much more planning into it than he needed to. Bravo! Although I don't necessarily agree that he got Batman to break his one rule (which was technically that he wouldn't EXECUTE criminals). He's responsible for Dent's death, but it wasn't his INTENT (which is required for an execution) to kill him. He just needed to stop Jimmy from getting his little head blown off. Tackling Dent away from the boy was really his only option there, considering that Batman was still trying to recover from a gunshot wound. But other than that, I'm in total agreement.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Jul 19, 2017 13:23:05 GMT
Yeah I guess it's a judgment call. You could argue it's no worse than "But I don't have to save you, either," in Begins. He doesn't actively try to kill Harvey, but he knows there's no other way to save the kid. Either way Bruce has to live with knowing his actions directly resulted in Harvey's death, so Joker wins again.
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Post by kevin on Jul 19, 2017 13:25:17 GMT
After 9 years still the greatest CBM ever made.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 13:34:21 GMT
Yeah I guess it's a judgment call. You could argue it's no worse than "But I don't have to save you, either," in Begins. He doesn't actively try to kill Harvey, but he knows there's no other way to save the kid. Either way Bruce has to live with knowing his actions directly resulted in Harvey's death, so Joker wins again. Agreed. It's a grey area, and it's the closest he's gotten to breaking his rule (at that time).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 14:14:14 GMT
Pity about TDKR, one of the worst CBMs.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Jul 19, 2017 16:13:31 GMT
Never cared much for it.
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Post by Archelaus on Jul 19, 2017 18:38:36 GMT
It's still my most favorite superhero film. It's hard to believe come next year, it'll be ten years old. I'll throw in a happy fifth anniversary to The Dark Knight Rises while I'm at it.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 19:15:17 GMT
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Post by barkingbaphomet on Jul 19, 2017 19:26:52 GMT
it's great but it's been cleanly surpassed several times now.
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Jul 19, 2017 19:43:20 GMT
Pity about TDKR, one of the worst CBMs. Really? I mean granted it was a disappointing film and Nolan's worse film to date, but I never thought it was as bad as Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Thor: The Dark World, Electra and Fantastic Four (2015).
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Post by Deleted on Jul 19, 2017 19:49:36 GMT
Pity about TDKR, one of the worst CBMs. Really? I mean granted it was a disappointing film and Nolan's worse film to date, but I never thought it was as bad as Batman and Robin, Catwoman, Thor: The Dark World, Electra and Fantastic Four (2015). Yeah I'd rank it amongst those personally.
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