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Post by filmfan95 on Aug 3, 2017 5:10:05 GMT
BLASPHEMY! But seriously, yeah... I'm glad most filmmakers just let their old work speak for itself instead of obsessively retooling. They're a testament of what the filmmaker and the then current resources were capable of at the time. Personally, I don't have issues with Special Editions themselves (aside from things like Han vs. Greedo or Vader screaming). It's more of the fact that original versions are not available officially as we're speaking right now. ^This. I recall listening to the Audio Commentary for The Hobbit, and hearing Peter Jackson say that he might edit the opening of the LOTR films to show Martin Freeman finding the Ring instead of Ian Holm, in order to make it more consistent. But he also said he'd like the original version to still be available. For all of Peter Jackson's flaws, he at least knows that people should be able to see a movie in its original form and not be stuck with an edited version. If only George Lucas was the same way.
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Post by Deleted on Aug 3, 2017 5:39:03 GMT
Personally, I don't have issues with Special Editions themselves (aside from things like Han vs. Greedo or Vader screaming). It's more of the fact that original versions are not available officially as we're speaking right now. ^This. I recall listening to the Audio Commentary for The Hobbit, and hearing Peter Jackson say that he might edit the opening of the LOTR films to show Martin Freeman finding the Ring instead of Ian Holm, in order to make it more consistent. But he also said he'd like the original version to still be available. For all of Peter Jackson's flaws, he at least knows that people should be able to see a movie in its original form and not be stuck with an edited version. If only George Lucas was the same way. I heard there might be an original unedited cut released on Blu Ray for the original trilogy.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 3, 2017 8:34:53 GMT
Personally, I don't have issues with Special Editions themselves (aside from things like Han vs. Greedo or Vader screaming). It's more of the fact that original versions are not available officially as we're speaking right now. ^This. he at least knows that people should be able to see a movie in its original form and not be stuck with an edited version. If only George Lucas was the same way. Lucas made available an DVD edition including both versions, just like Star Trek TOS did. Also, there are ample of online de-specialized versions available in HD (Harmys etc). Lucas - unlike Disney - let them be and did not sue. Now, he does not hold the rights anymore.
Thus, this is just another histerical fanboy shitstorm in the teapot.
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Post by mcufan on Aug 3, 2017 10:36:29 GMT
I know, but Sony is stupid, bottom line. Grow up, moron. And actually Homecoming is doing better than ASM2. Deal with it. THE MCU isn't flopping and it isn't going to go away to make things easier for your oh so precious inferior DCEU. Is he a dceu zealot? Because homecoming is box office wise pretty close to man of shit.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 3, 2017 13:58:57 GMT
Grow up, moron. And actually Homecoming is doing better than ASM2. Deal with it. THE MCU isn't flopping and it isn't going to go away to make things easier for your oh so precious inferior DCEU. Is he a dceu zealot? Because homecoming is box office wise pretty close to man of shit. So basically you're having conversations with yourself. Yikes.
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Post by blockbusted on Aug 3, 2017 15:28:56 GMT
^This. he at least knows that people should be able to see a movie in its original form and not be stuck with an edited version. If only George Lucas was the same way. Lucas made available an DVD edition including both versions, just like Star Trek TOS did. Also, there are ample of online de-specialized versions available in HD (Harmys etc). Lucas - unlike Disney - let them be and did not sue. Now, he does not hold the rights anymore.
Thus, this is just another histerical fanboy shitstorm in the teapot.
You're saying that as if it's a good thing when you just made George Lucas look like a clueless idiot who have no idea how copyright works. Seriously, if you're going to defend him, at least do it right.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Aug 3, 2017 16:15:20 GMT
Lucas made available an DVD edition including both versions, just like Star Trek TOS did. Also, there are ample of online de-specialized versions available in HD (Harmys etc). Lucas - unlike Disney - let them be and did not sue. Now, he does not hold the rights anymore.
Thus, this is just another histerical fanboy shitstorm in the teapot.
You're saying that as if it's a good thing when you just made George Lucas look like a clueless idiot who have no idea how copyright works. Seriously, if you're going to defend him, at least do it right. who says I defend him? I do not have to. I just state undisputed facts.
How could these facts make Lucas look like a "clueless idiot"? Don't even try to play the copyright or fair use expert with me, these legal concepts are different from jurisdiction to jurisdiction. Just because something is not pulled does not mean it could not be pulled for copyright, cyber crime or insult and slander reasons.
Seriously, if you're going to attack me, at least do it right. Try again.
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Post by raiderjedi on Aug 3, 2017 18:16:45 GMT
You are aware the Homecoming is still playing in theaters, right? Domestically it has blown by both TASM films, and total worldwide is less than $120 million behind the first film, and still has to open in China and Japan. So obviously, this is nothing but a troll post.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 3, 2017 21:23:49 GMT
You are aware the Homecoming is still playing in theaters, right? Domestically it has blown by both TASM films, and total worldwide is less than $120 million behind the first film, and still has to open in China and Japan. So obviously, this is nothing but a troll post. So you admit hey
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 3, 2017 21:24:26 GMT
You are aware the Homecoming is still playing in theaters, right? Domestically it has blown by both TASM films, and total worldwide is less than $120 million behind the first film, and still has to open in China and Japan. So obviously, this is nothing but a troll post. So you admit that Homecoming is a failure that desperately needs to over perform in Asia to compensate for it.
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Post by ThatGuy on Aug 3, 2017 22:02:44 GMT
Is OP even aware that this film's budget is like $80 million lower than that of 'The Amazing Spider-Man 2'? You are missing the point. Sony could have learned from their mistakes, made TASM 3, spent less money on production and made about the same at the B.O. It would have been 100% theirs. They have to share with Marvel Studios. They couldn't make ASM3 because they lost their lead actor. So they'd be rebooting again anyway. Also, Marvel still gets a share from the movies other studios make. Have you ever noticed the Marvel Entertainment that is on nonMCU movies?
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Aug 3, 2017 22:47:18 GMT
No, the reason why Homecoming isn't doing as hot as it should be doing is because Sony didn't manage the marketing better and basically spoiled the whole movie with its second theatrical trailer and TV spots. They also released it during the summer's busiest period, it didn't have enough room to breathe like Guardians of the Galaxy had back in early May. Even so, Homecoming is one of Sony's few hits of the year, the majority of their theatrical releases have not pulled in impressive numbers and The Dark Tower doesn't look to deliver at all this weekend.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 4, 2017 1:45:16 GMT
No, the reason why Homecoming isn't doing as hot as it should be doing is because Sony didn't manage the marketing better and basically spoiled the whole movie with its second theatrical trailer and TV spots. They also released it during the summer's busiest period, it didn't have enough room to breathe like Guardians of the Galaxy had back in early May. Even so, Homecoming is one of Sony's few hits of the year, the majority of their theatrical releases have not pulled in impressive numbers and The Dark Tower doesn't look to deliver at all this weekend. Good points. Incidentally, when would you've released it if not when they did? Assuming Guardians 2 and Thor stay where they were/are.
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Post by scabab on Aug 7, 2017 21:32:41 GMT
The movie is looking at $315-320 million domestically, higher than both TASM movies (adjusted too).
Worldwide it's at $670 million with Japan and China still to go. So the movie will be surpassing $800 million. It should end up the second highest grossing Spider-man movie after Spider-man 3.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 8, 2017 3:19:58 GMT
The movie is looking at $315-320 million domestically, higher than both TASM movies (adjusted too). Worldwide it's at $670 million with Japan and China still to go. So the movie will be surpassing $800 million. It should end up the second highest grossing Spider-man movie after Spider-man 3. Even if it does end up that high it's still a massive disappointment.
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Post by scabab on Aug 8, 2017 5:26:53 GMT
The movie is looking at $315-320 million domestically, higher than both TASM movies (adjusted too). Worldwide it's at $670 million with Japan and China still to go. So the movie will be surpassing $800 million. It should end up the second highest grossing Spider-man movie after Spider-man 3. Even if it does end up that high it's still a massive disappointment. How is around $850 million on a budget of $175 million a massive disappointment when Guardians of the Galaxy 2 made $860 million on a budget of $200 million?
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Post by thenewnexus on Aug 8, 2017 5:53:22 GMT
It can make a trillion and it wkuld still be the worst attempt,no different than Michael Bays transformer movies making billions
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 8, 2017 13:56:37 GMT
It can make a trillion and it wkuld still be the worst attempt,no different than Michael Bays transformer movies making billions So if it makes money and gets good reviews that at least equal Spider-Man 2...it's still not good? Just no pleasing some people, especially the ones trapped in the past and think it's the year 2000.
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Post by thenewnexus on Aug 8, 2017 15:10:47 GMT
It can make a trillion and it wkuld still be the worst attempt,no different than Michael Bays transformer movies making billions So if it makes money and gets good reviews that at least equal Spider-Man 2...it's still not good? Just no pleasing some people, especially the ones trapped in the past and think it's the year 2000. To me its not even better than ASM or the first two Raimi films for that matter. This is why I can't take people who bring up critcs seriously. People only bring them up when its convenient for them. I actually saw Homecoming,like I said before it felt like a disney channel movie and there is nothing thats all that new or intresting about this attempt at spiderman. I am not stuck in the past the first Two Raimi films were well made and good films with very minor flaws. ASM was good too.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 8, 2017 15:16:17 GMT
So if it makes money and gets good reviews that at least equal Spider-Man 2...it's still not good? Just no pleasing some people, especially the ones trapped in the past and think it's the year 2000. To me its not even better than ASM or the first two Raimi films for that matter. This is why I can't take people who bring up critcs seriously. People only bring them up when its convenient for them. I actually saw Homecoming,like I said before it felt like a disney channel movie and there is nothing thats all that new or intresting about this attempt at spiderman. I am not stuck in the past the first Two Raimi films were well made and good films with very minor flaws. ASM was good too. The only reason people say it's like a Disney flick is because they didn't cast a 25 year old as a teen lead, which would've been the lazy way out. That and they had Peter act more like a teen. I enjoyed they made him more flawed and causing more inadvertent destruction to show he's not as bland as Tobey was, that they didn't make Aunt a senile walking cadaver and weren't afraid to have a Spidey who exists in a world of other heroes instead of acting like he's on his own and no one else exists. The Raimi films had their flaws, like making too mopey and pitiable. And some really stupid resolutions like Dr Ock being controlled by his arms and somehow stopping a mini-sun by dumping it in the water.
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