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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 8, 2017 15:58:52 GMT
So if it makes money and gets good reviews that at least equal Spider-Man 2...it's still not good? Just no pleasing some people, especially the ones trapped in the past and think it's the year 2000. To me its not even better than ASM or the first two Raimi films for that matter. This is why I can't take people who bring up critcs seriously. People only bring them up when its convenient for them. I actually saw Homecoming,like I said before it felt like a disney channel movie and there is nothing thats all that new or intresting about this attempt at spiderman. Agreed. MCU fans claim that there's no pro-MCU bias among the critics and say that BvS and SS got bad reviews because they were bad movies. But take the DCEU out of the equation and just look at MCU movies vs non-MCU Marvel movies. When the critics rate a crappy high school comedy movie higher than the first 2 Spider-Man movies, there's no way that MCU fans can claim there isn't a pro-MCU bias among the critics. The first 2 Spider-Man movies were great movies and much better than SMH, which is the worst movie adaptation of Spider-Man ever.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 8, 2017 16:17:22 GMT
To me its not even better than ASM or the first two Raimi films for that matter. This is why I can't take people who bring up critcs seriously. People only bring them up when its convenient for them. I actually saw Homecoming,like I said before it felt like a disney channel movie and there is nothing thats all that new or intresting about this attempt at spiderman. Agreed. MCU fans claim that there's no pro-MCU bias among the critics and say that BvS and SS got bad reviews because they were bad movies. But take the DCEU out of the equation and just look at MCU movies vs non-MCU Marvel movies. When the critics rate a crappy high school comedy movie higher than the first 2 Spider-Man movies, there's no way that MCU fans can claim there isn't a pro-MCU bias among the critics. The first 2 Spider-Man movies were great movies and much better than SMH, which is the worst movie adaptation of Spider-Man ever. The old "Critics are paid/biased" shtick. Seriously, try defending Suicide Squad. Tell me how it's a great movie. Is Enchantress better than the MCU villains??
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 8, 2017 16:25:12 GMT
Agreed. MCU fans claim that there's no pro-MCU bias among the critics and say that BvS and SS got bad reviews because they were bad movies. But take the DCEU out of the equation and just look at MCU movies vs non-MCU Marvel movies. When the critics rate a crappy high school comedy movie higher than the first 2 Spider-Man movies, there's no way that MCU fans can claim there isn't a pro-MCU bias among the critics. The first 2 Spider-Man movies were great movies and much better than SMH, which is the worst movie adaptation of Spider-Man ever. The old "Critics are paid/biased" shtick. Seriously, try defending Suicide Squad. Tell me how it's a great movie. Is Enchantress better than the MCU villains?? Maybe if you read my post, you would see that I said "take the DCEU out of the equation and just look at MCU movies vs non-MCU Marvel movies".
I don't even need DCEU to prove that critics have a pro-MCU bias. I've proven that critics have a pro-MCU bias just by showing how critics compared the first 2 Spider-Man movies (which were great movies) to SMH (which was a crappy high school comedy movie). When critics rate a crappy high school comedy movie higher than the first 2 Spider-Man movies, that clearly demonstrates that there's a pro-MCU bias among the critics.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 8, 2017 16:40:32 GMT
The old "Critics are paid/biased" shtick. Seriously, try defending Suicide Squad. Tell me how it's a great movie. Is Enchantress better than the MCU villains?? Maybe if you read my post, you would see that I said "take the DCEU out of the equation and just look at MCU movies vs non-MCU Marvel movies".
I don't even need DCEU to prove that critics have a pro-MCU bias. I've proven that critics have a pro-MCU bias just by showing how critics compared the first 2 Spider-Man movies (which were great movies) to SMH (which was a crappy high school comedy movie). When critics rate a crappy high school comedy movie higher than the first 2 Spider-Man movies, that clearly demonstrates that there's a pro-MCU bias among the critics.
You do realize the first Spider-Man film is 89% and Spider-Man 2 is at 94%, higher than Homecoming. Not sure where you're getting that critics think Homecoming is better, but they're equally the same you fuckin' retard. It's just matter of preference and who you prefer (i.e. Tom Holland or Tobey Maguire). So yeah, you didn't prove that there's a MCU biased. Maybe if you understood films and what makes a film good and what makes it work, you'd understand why Suicide Squad and BvS are shit and Man of Steel was mediocre.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 8, 2017 17:07:47 GMT
Maybe if you read my post, you would see that I said "take the DCEU out of the equation and just look at MCU movies vs non-MCU Marvel movies".
I don't even need DCEU to prove that critics have a pro-MCU bias. I've proven that critics have a pro-MCU bias just by showing how critics compared the first 2 Spider-Man movies (which were great movies) to SMH (which was a crappy high school comedy movie). When critics rate a crappy high school comedy movie higher than the first 2 Spider-Man movies, that clearly demonstrates that there's a pro-MCU bias among the critics.
You do realize the first Spider-Man film is 89% and Spider-Man 2 is at 94% And you've just confirmed my point. The critics (who are clearly pro-MCU) rated SMH higher than the 1st Spider-Man movie and almost as high as the 2nd Spider-Man movie. That would be like ranking David Ortiz as great as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron.
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Post by scabab on Aug 8, 2017 17:27:46 GMT
Not really Spider-man and Spider-man Homecoming have an average critic rating of 7.6. Spider-man 2 is considerably higher with 8.3.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 8, 2017 17:34:37 GMT
You do realize the first Spider-Man film is 89% and Spider-Man 2 is at 94% And you've just confirmed my point. The critics (who are clearly pro-MCU) rated SMH higher than the 1st Spider-Man movie and almost as high as the 2nd Spider-Man movie. That would be like ranking David Ortiz as great as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. Are fuckin' retarded??? You don't like Homecoming because you think it's just a dumb highschool comedy. Fair enough. That's your opinion. But that's just your opinion. I suggest you get a dictionary and look that up and you'll see that it doesn't mean 'fact'. The general consensus is that people like Homecoming because of the high school aspect to it and the fact that in the comics Peter Parker is in highschool. There's nothing biased about it. You're basically saying if someone doesn't like a DC film, they're automatically biased. All you're doing is just proving how jealous you are of the MCU's success and hurts you to admit it
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 8, 2017 23:03:34 GMT
Not really Spider-man and Spider-man Homecoming have an average critic rating of 7.6. Spider-man 2 is considerably higher with 8.3. So basically Homecoming is a failure and destroyed the MCU's continuity.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 9, 2017 0:42:10 GMT
Not really Spider-man and Spider-man Homecoming have an average critic rating of 7.6. Spider-man 2 is considerably higher with 8.3. So basically Homecoming is a failure and destroyed the MCU's continuity. No.
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Post by thenewnexus on Aug 9, 2017 0:49:47 GMT
To me its not even better than ASM or the first two Raimi films for that matter. This is why I can't take people who bring up critcs seriously. People only bring them up when its convenient for them. I actually saw Homecoming,like I said before it felt like a disney channel movie and there is nothing thats all that new or intresting about this attempt at spiderman. I am not stuck in the past the first Two Raimi films were well made and good films with very minor flaws. ASM was good too. The only reason people say it's like a Disney flick is because they didn't cast a 25 year old as a teen lead, which would've been the lazy way out. That and they had Peter act more like a teen. I enjoyed they made him more flawed and causing more inadvertent destruction to show he's not as bland as Tobey was, that they didn't make Aunt a senile walking cadaver and weren't afraid to have a Spidey who exists in a world of other heroes instead of acting like he's on his own and no one else exists. The Raimi films had their flaws, like making too mopey and pitiable. And some really stupid resolutions like Dr Ock being controlled by his arms and somehow stopping a mini-sun by dumping it in the water. I don't care about Hollands age,when I Say its like a disney movie its because of the Tone and look. I am fine with him being a Teen but there is more to Peter than just High School,the last two series had him in high school and were short and Sweet and got to the point. Do people really care that Peter is on an acedemic team? I can't handle two more sequels of this shit. What about Homecomings flaws? The tone,writing and pacing is terrible.
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Aug 9, 2017 1:08:55 GMT
So basically Homecoming is a failure and destroyed the MCU's continuity. No. That's what people are saying!
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 9, 2017 1:25:34 GMT
The only reason people say it's like a Disney flick is because they didn't cast a 25 year old as a teen lead, which would've been the lazy way out. That and they had Peter act more like a teen. I enjoyed they made him more flawed and causing more inadvertent destruction to show he's not as bland as Tobey was, that they didn't make Aunt a senile walking cadaver and weren't afraid to have a Spidey who exists in a world of other heroes instead of acting like he's on his own and no one else exists. The Raimi films had their flaws, like making too mopey and pitiable. And some really stupid resolutions like Dr Ock being controlled by his arms and somehow stopping a mini-sun by dumping it in the water. I don't care about Hollands age,when I Say its like a disney movie its because of the Tone and look. I am fine with him being a Teen but there is more to Peter than just High School,the last two series had him in high school and were short and Sweet and got to the point. Do people really care that Peter is on an acedemic team? I can't handle two more sequels of this shit. What about Homecomings flaws? The tone,writing and pacing is terrible. The tone and look were derived from 80s High School movies, because this is a story of Spidey when he IS in High School. Those prior movies wasted the High School stuff and ignored that High School was when he started out and isn't something to just be glossed over. And yes, Spider-Man has always been about the everyday struggles of Peter Parker as well as the fantastic life he has as Spidey. So stuff like trying to manage it all while being on an academic team would fit right in with the early stories.
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Post by thenewnexus on Aug 9, 2017 2:10:36 GMT
I don't care about Hollands age,when I Say its like a disney movie its because of the Tone and look. I am fine with him being a Teen but there is more to Peter than just High School,the last two series had him in high school and were short and Sweet and got to the point. Do people really care that Peter is on an acedemic team? I can't handle two more sequels of this shit. What about Homecomings flaws? The tone,writing and pacing is terrible. The tone and look were derived from 80s High School movies, because this is a story of Spidey when he IS in High School. Those prior movies wasted the High School stuff and ignored that High School was when he started out and isn't something to just be glossed over. And yes, Spider-Man has always been about the everyday struggles of Peter Parker as well as the fantastic life he has as Spidey. So stuff like trying to manage it all while being on an academic team would fit right in with the early stories. Well there lays the problem turning Spiderman into 80s comedies. The High School years were not wasted,they got to the point,the academic team had no purpose its something to pass the runtime like many of the scenes.
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Post by formersamhmd on Aug 9, 2017 2:12:43 GMT
The tone and look were derived from 80s High School movies, because this is a story of Spidey when he IS in High School. Those prior movies wasted the High School stuff and ignored that High School was when he started out and isn't something to just be glossed over. And yes, Spider-Man has always been about the everyday struggles of Peter Parker as well as the fantastic life he has as Spidey. So stuff like trying to manage it all while being on an academic team would fit right in with the early stories. Well there lays the problem turning Spiderman into 80s comedies. The High School years were not wasted,they got to the point,the academic team had no purpose its something to pass the runtime like many of the scenes. Raimi wasted the High School potential entirely. Though, given how Tobey clearly didn't look like a teen I suppose that was pragmatism. ASM was a LITTLE better in that regard. The Academic Team stuff did play it's role in the plot, and it played into how Vulture was able to figure out Peter was Spider-Man with just his own intelligence.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 9, 2017 2:48:25 GMT
Are fuckin' retarded??? You don't like Homecoming because you think it's just a dumb highschool comedy. Fair enough. That's your opinion. But that's just your opinion. I suggest you get a dictionary and look that up and you'll see that it doesn't mean 'fact'. The general consensus is that people like Homecoming because of the high school aspect to it and the fact that in the comics Peter Parker is in highschool. There's nothing biased about it. You're basically saying if someone doesn't like a DC film, they're automatically biased. 1st, like I said in my previous post, I'm not talking about comparing the ratings for SMH to BvS or SS. I said "take the DCEU out of the equation and just look at MCU movies vs non-MCU Marvel movies". Specifically, I'm talking about comparing the ratings for SMH (a crappy high school comedy movie) to the 1st 2 Spider-Man movies (2 of the best CBMs ever made with a Marvel character). You like SMH. Fair enough. But for critics and MCU fans to rank SMH as high as the 1st 2 Spider-Man movies clearly demonstrates a pro-MCU bias. Like I said, it's like ranking David Ortiz as high as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. Now some people may think Ortiz is a really good player and possibly a future Hall of Famer. I'm not going to argue for or against that. But only someone with an extreme bias would rank Ortiz as high as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. And that's not an opinion. It's a fact that Ortiz, as good a player as he was, is nowhere at the same level as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. Another example. Steph Curry was the NBA MVP in 2015 and 2016 and an NBA Champion in 2015 and 2017. Curry is a good player, there's no argument there. But only someone with an extreme bias would rank Curry as high as Michael Jordan or LeBron James. I'm a Warriors fan and even I wouldn't rank Curry as high as Jordan or LeBron. And that's not an opinion. It's a fact that Curry, as good a player as he is, is nowhere at the same level as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. But since you MCU fans are slow to understand things, I'll give you an even simpler example. Critics and MCU fans may like SMH. But anyone who ranks SMH as high as The Godfather clearly has a pro-MCU bias. And that's not an opinion. It's a fact that SMH is nowhere at the same level as The Godfather. Anyone who ranks SMH as high as the The Godfather clearly has a pro-MCU bias. Likewise, anyone who ranks SMH as high as the 1st 2 Spider-Man movies (2 of the best CBMs ever made with a Marvel character) clearly has a pro-MCU bias. All you're doing is just proving how jealous you are of the MCU's success and hurts you to admit it No, the only people who are jealous are MCU fans. Wonder Woman becomes the #1 movie of the summer and #2 movie so far this year (behind only Beauty and the Beast) and is rated #1 on RT's list of the 50 Best Superhero Movies of All Time ( 50 Best Superhero Movies of All Time) and what do MCU fans do? MCU fans keep trying to claim Wonder Woman as an MCU-style movie when Wonder Woman is nothing like the comedies that MCU puts out. And Wonder Woman is mentioned as an Oscar contender for Best Picture by several websites and what do MCU fans do? MCU fans keep trying to claim that Wonder Woman is over-rated and doesn't deserve an Oscar nomination. Sounds like MCU fans are the ones who are really jealous.
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Post by DC-Fan on Aug 9, 2017 2:53:16 GMT
The only reason people say it's like a Disney flick is because they didn't cast a 25 year old as a teen lead, which would've been the lazy way out. That and they had Peter act more like a teen. I enjoyed they made him more flawed and causing more inadvertent destruction to show he's not as bland as Tobey was, that they didn't make Aunt a senile walking cadaver and weren't afraid to have a Spidey who exists in a world of other heroes instead of acting like he's on his own and no one else exists. The Raimi films had their flaws, like making too mopey and pitiable. And some really stupid resolutions like Dr Ock being controlled by his arms and somehow stopping a mini-sun by dumping it in the water. I don't care about Hollands age,when I Say its like a disney movie its because of the Tone and look. I am fine with him being a Teen but there is more to Peter than just High School,the last two series had him in high school and were short and Sweet and got to the point. Do people really care that Peter is on an acedemic team? I can't handle two more sequels of this shit. The next movie will be all about Peter deciding whether or not to ask Michelle aka Mary Jane to the Junior Prom. And the villain will be Mary Jane's stepmom.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Aug 9, 2017 3:31:38 GMT
Are fuckin' retarded??? You don't like Homecoming because you think it's just a dumb highschool comedy. Fair enough. That's your opinion. But that's just your opinion. I suggest you get a dictionary and look that up and you'll see that it doesn't mean 'fact'. The general consensus is that people like Homecoming because of the high school aspect to it and the fact that in the comics Peter Parker is in highschool. There's nothing biased about it. You're basically saying if someone doesn't like a DC film, they're automatically biased. 1st, like I said in my previous post, I'm not talking about comparing the ratings for SMH to BvS or SS. I said "take the DCEU out of the equation and just look at MCU movies vs non-MCU Marvel movies". Specifically, I'm talking about comparing the ratings for SMH (a crappy high school comedy movie) to the 1st 2 Spider-Man movies (2 of the best CBMs ever made with a Marvel character). You like SMH. Fair enough. But for critics and MCU fans to rank SMH as high as the 1st 2 Spider-Man movies clearly demonstrates a pro-MCU bias. Like I said, it's like ranking David Ortiz as high as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. Now some people may think Ortiz is a really good player and possibly a future Hall of Famer. I'm not going to argue for or against that. But only someone with an extreme bias would rank Ortiz as high as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. And that's not an opinion. It's a fact that Ortiz, as good a player as he was, is nowhere at the same level as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. Another example. Steph Curry was the NBA MVP in 2015 and 2016 and an NBA Champion in 2015 and 2017. Curry is a good player, there's no argument there. But only someone with an extreme bias would rank Curry as high as Michael Jordan or LeBron James. I'm a Warriors fan and even I wouldn't rank Curry as high as Jordan or LeBron. And that's not an opinion. It's a fact that Curry, as good a player as he is, is nowhere at the same level as Babe Ruth and Hank Aaron. But since you MCU fans are slow to understand things, I'll give you an even simpler example. Critics and MCU fans may like SMH. But anyone who ranks SMH as high as The Godfather clearly has a pro-MCU bias. And that's not an opinion. It's a fact that SMH is nowhere at the same level as The Godfather. Anyone who ranks SMH as high as the The Godfather clearly has a pro-MCU bias. Likewise, anyone who ranks SMH as high as the 1st 2 Spider-Man movies (2 of the best CBMs ever made with a Marvel character) clearly has a pro-MCU bias. All you're doing is just proving how jealous you are of the MCU's success and hurts you to admit it No, the only people who are jealous are MCU fans. Wonder Woman becomes the #1 movie of the summer and #2 movie so far this year (behind only Beauty and the Beast) and is rated #1 on RT's list of the 50 Best Superhero Movies of All Time ( 50 Best Superhero Movies of All Time) and what do MCU fans do? MCU fans keep trying to claim Wonder Woman as an MCU-style movie when Wonder Woman is nothing like the comedies that MCU puts out. And Wonder Woman is mentioned as an Oscar contender for Best Picture by several websites and what do MCU fans do? MCU fans keep trying to claim that Wonder Woman is over-rated and doesn't deserve an Oscar nomination. Sounds like MCU fans are the ones who are really jealous. Read my post again dumbass, and you'll see I never mentioned comparing the rating of Homecoming with DC films. I compared it to the other Spider-Man films. And as I said before, they're both above 80%, the first Spider-Man film only a percent under 90, while Homecoming and Spider-Man 2 only a 2% difference in the 90s. The general consensus is that they're all equally the same. It's just a matter of who you really like better, whether its Holland or Tobey. You're projecting your opinion as fact you illiterate dumbass. Again, you don't like Homecoming, fine, but that's not the general consensus. People like it because of the high school aspect of it and it delivered great performances. Seriously, get a dictionary and look up the word "opinion" and "fact" and you'll see they're not the same you dumb fuck. All you're doing is projecting your insecurities and jealousy of the MCU's success. Grow a pair and suck it up cupcake.
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