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Post by Eva Yojimbo on Mar 2, 2017 3:37:36 GMT
Errr, come again? Earth is hardly unique in being habitable for life. We've even compiled a list of Potentially Habitable Planets That's only a list of planets we know about. The number of habitable planets in the universe is likely much greater than that list. Universe is a big place: approximately 92 billion light years in diameter. That list only includes planets within 2500 light years. You really think that in the remaining 91,999,997,500 light years there aren't more of them? Earth probably isn't all that special, really. What "it" are you referring to in this paragraph? You need to read my statement again. Nothing has been found. That's all I'm saying. If there is life on other planets, then so be it. However, let's not pretend that any of those planets come even close to being like Earth just because they fit a broad parameter. The reality is that even if there is a New York City on Gliese, we will never know. In short, there is nothing wrong with being happy for being on such a great planet. That no other life has been found is true: that Earth is uniquely qualified to house life is not true. Certainly, no other planet will be identical to Earth, just as no other planet will be identical to any other planet. Each will be unique in some aspects (or in their unique combination). The point is that, in relation to habitability for life, Earth isn't unique or special. Being happy with and even admiring Earth is fine, but let's not make it out to be something it's not.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 2, 2017 4:01:55 GMT
You brought up science and your need for actual evidence (empirical), and suggested that you need evidence that "intelligence can exist prior to the universe", So what hypothesis would you like to use? You demand proof but you don't know what proof would be in order to satisfy your request. You seemed confused by your own request. You've based your requirement of proof of God's existence on science correct? You seem confused by the requirement.
You should already know what the evidence is, since evidence is the only thing that can lead you to know something exists.
So you tell me.
I'm pretty sure you're just trolling at this point. You must know you aren't making any sense.
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Post by juicebox07 on Mar 2, 2017 5:38:46 GMT
I mean, there are millions of starving children in the world who's parents pray for them, but you think god protects you. Because it's you? I mean do you kind of see how selfish that sounds? This is something I see pretty regularly among theists, and it's annoying to say the least. "I know God is real because I've been blessed with so much! I prayed I would get that job and I did! God made it happen because he's looking out for me." Oh ok. So what about all of the other people out there looking to get a job? God isn't looking out for them? And you've been blessed with so much, that's great. What about all the people who barely have anything? If your God is so great, why doesn't he help them too? If you work so hard to put yourself through college and then go on to start a career, why do you give all the credit to someone else? YOU put in the work and should take responsibility for your own successes. The same goes with failures. "I got fired from my job today, but I know it was God's plan. He has something better in store for me." Or maybe you got fired because you just weren't doing your job correctly?
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 2, 2017 6:39:35 GMT
You're kidding right? Give me the evidence! But I don't know what the evidence is, yet I am the sole arbiter of what evidence will suffice. It's like a court asking for proof of murder but there is no standard by which to prove it. Despite all the of evidence (anecdotal) for the existence of God, which is the most written about subject in humankind, not to mention the personal spiritual experiences of billions of people past and present and near death experiences, you demand empirical evidence that you yourself say you have no idea what it would be! You seem to rely on science but you don't understand what science is supposed to do for you. You create a standard like "show me that intelligence existed before the creation of the universe" but you have no idea what that would look like. It's a silly device that you use to create a standard which you don't even understand, let alone, would understand or accept. Forgetting the fact that you are doing a bait and switch here. You surely agree that science's (people) ability to understand is always changing right? And that what science couldn't prove before, like say the nature of pneumonia and how to cure it, ultimately was able to prove it later correct? Gravity, the solar system, shape of the Earth... these were all phenomenon that science could not explain but ultimately did. Not to mention where science has gotten it wrong like in the case of stomach ulcers....the point being is that science is fallible. If you are being sincere, your point, whether you realize it, is that you don't believe in God because science hasn't proven it to your satisfaction yet..... You're not an atheist, I'm not even sure you're an agnostic because by relying on science (it's evolution and fallibility) you are accepting that there is a possibility/probability, however small, that God does exist. In essence, you don't believe in God yet. As stated numerous times to you already, I'm not obligated to know what the evidence is, before it is discovered/presented. If you claim a god is true, then surely evidence is what led you to that conclusion, and you already know what that evidence is.
We're done, because all you've offered is nonsense.
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Post by filmfan95 on Mar 2, 2017 6:46:38 GMT
I mean, there are millions of starving children in the world who's parents pray for them, but you think god protects you. Because it's you? I mean do you kind of see how selfish that sounds? This is something I see pretty regularly among theists, and it's annoying to say the least. "I know God is real because I've been blessed with so much! I prayed I would get that job and I did! God made it happen because he's looking out for me." Oh ok. So what about all of the other people out there looking to get a job? God isn't looking out for them? And you've been blessed with so much, that's great. What about all the people who barely have anything? If your God is so great, why doesn't he help them too? If you work so hard to put yourself through college and then go on to start a career, why do you give all the credit to someone else? YOU put in the work and should take responsibility for your own successes. The same goes with failures. "I got fired from my job today, but I know it was God's plan. He has something better in store for me." Or maybe you got fired because you just weren't doing your job correctly? I guess I didn't word it right. I didn't mean that has given me a lot of things that I wanted. I simply meant that I asked God about certain things that I was unsure about. Once I told him I was worried about something, and that I needed a (very major, noticeable, not-so-subtle, possibly odd) sign, and that's exactly what I got, nearly thirty seconds later (and I didnt even realize that it even WAS the sign until a few hours later, when the strange thing that happened was mentioned on the news).
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 2, 2017 6:56:50 GMT
you're in over your head. Translation, you're begging not to be taken seriously.
Thanks, I won't
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Mar 2, 2017 7:00:32 GMT
That makes no sense and yes, you are in over your head. It's just amazing that in all this time, it all boils down to you trying to be insulting. I mean it's just hilarious that this is the best you've got other than pretending to be a confused fuck. But anyway, we know you're a troll. Cheers.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 8:15:36 GMT
One of the reasons I believe God exists is because I do not believe this universe could create itself.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 8:22:01 GMT
Scared of losing their faith, pure and simple. Many theists believe that life would be desolate and barren without their religion, so it is very important to protect their beliefs from any ideas which might cause their faith to wobble on its foundations.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 2, 2017 8:36:02 GMT
Scared of losing their faith, pure and simple. Many theists believe that life would be desolate and barren without their religion, so it is very important to protect their beliefs from any ideas which might cause their faith to wobble on its foundations. No, we just don't want to be reduced down to amoral swine, pure and simple.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 8:40:47 GMT
Scared of losing their faith, pure and simple. Many theists believe that life would be desolate and barren without their religion, so it is very important to protect their beliefs from any ideas which might cause their faith to wobble on its foundations. No, we just don't want to be reduced down to amoral swine, pure and simple. Amoral would be a major step up for a lot of theists.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 2, 2017 8:56:39 GMT
No, we just don't want to be reduced down to amoral swine, pure and simple. Amoral would be a major step up for a lot of theists. There's a lot more of us than there are of you, old boy.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 11:51:42 GMT
No, it's dealing with an argument that DOES exist. Just because you may not use that argument, this doesn't mean that others don't. No it doesn't. You are making up appreciation for the universe as thinking that Christians think they are the center of the universe which is a ludicrous accusation. No, I am not making it up. It's an argument I have seen used often. If you think it's a ludicrous argument then you agree with me.
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Post by CoolJGS☺ on Mar 2, 2017 12:01:27 GMT
No it doesn't. You are making up appreciation for the universe as thinking that Christians think they are the center of the universe which is a ludicrous accusation. No, I am not making it up. It's an argument I have seen used often. If you think it's a ludicrous argument then you agree with me. It's an argument you've seen used against Copernicus.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 12:15:39 GMT
No, I wasn't around for that. I've seen it used plenty in the present day, though.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 12:19:04 GMT
Scared of losing their faith, pure and simple. Many theists believe that life would be desolate and barren without their religion, so it is very important to protect their beliefs from any ideas which might cause their faith to wobble on its foundations. No, we just don't want to be reduced down to amoral swine, pure and simple. So if you lost your religious beliefs, you would automatically become amoral swine? Interesting admission. Doesn't speak too highly of your character, really.
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 2, 2017 12:23:08 GMT
No, we just don't want to be reduced down to amoral swine, pure and simple. So if you lost your religious beliefs, you would automatically become amoral swine? Interesting admission. Doesn't speak too highly of your character, really. You are amoral swine. You have no character. You have nothing.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 12:47:57 GMT
So if you lost your religious beliefs, you would automatically become amoral swine? Interesting admission. Doesn't speak too highly of your character, really. You are amoral swine. You have no character. You have nothing. Of course that's nonsense, but let's take it as true for the purposes of the discussion. What you actually said wasn't about me. You claimed that without religion YOU would be amoral swine. Is that really what you meant to say, Erjen? Are you such an awful person that without your religion you would be swine with no sense of morality? Is your religion the only thing that stops you raping little children?
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Post by The Herald Erjen on Mar 2, 2017 12:53:55 GMT
You are amoral swine. You have no character. You have nothing. Of course that's nonsense, but let's take it as true for the purposes of the discussion. What you actually said wasn't about me. You claimed that without religion YOU would be amoral swine. Is that really what you meant to say, Erjen? Are you such an awful person that without your religion you would be swine with no sense of morality? Is your religion the only thing that stops you raping little children? What stops you from raping little children?
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2017 13:22:23 GMT
Of course that's nonsense, but let's take it as true for the purposes of the discussion. What you actually said wasn't about me. You claimed that without religion YOU would be amoral swine. Is that really what you meant to say, Erjen? Are you such an awful person that without your religion you would be swine with no sense of morality? Is your religion the only thing that stops you raping little children? What stops you from raping little children? Wow, the question was so hard that you had to ignore it completely and ask me one instead? So we've established that you're a coward. To answer your question : Several things stop me from raping little children, Erjen. Chief amongst them is the fact that I have no desire to do so, since I am not a pedophile. Like most humans - but apparently not you - I also have a sense of empathy, which would make it next to impossible for me to hurt defenceless and vulnerable people. Also - again apparently unlike you - I have a moral system which forbids me from inflicting physical harm on others unnecessarily. Whereas it seems that the only thing stopping you is "A powerful being told me I can't, and that if I do he'll punish me." Given that, I wonder which of us is actually the "amoral swine"? (Hint : It's you.)
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