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Post by Deleted on Oct 18, 2017 17:26:07 GMT
Liberals lost their minds years ago. If, however, there were any lingering doubts of that, all we need do is look at their banning of To Kill a Mockingbird.
Liberals have become worse than conservatives ever were.
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Post by mmexis on Oct 19, 2017 0:15:37 GMT
Sorry, can you post a link to this?
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Post by novastar6 on Oct 19, 2017 19:58:51 GMT
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Post by mmexis on Oct 19, 2017 21:46:39 GMT
Thanks Novastar6. Personally, as an English teacher, I think 8th grade is too young. Move it up to high school. It's a shame to ban this book with such things still going on in the US. Would tie in so easily with BLM, race relations, building of walls....
However, the article doesn't mention right or left wing, therefore politics is, hypothetically, not relevant. Don't project your own leanings onto the actions of stupid, blinkered people.
I also cringe when I hear that colleges/universities want to put "trigger warnings" on literature at that level. puh-leeze!!!!
Thankfully, we don't have such issues up here.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 24, 2017 22:25:11 GMT
Liberals lost their minds years ago. If, however, there were any lingering doubts of that, all we need do is look at their banning of To Kill a Mockingbird. Liberals have become worse than conservatives ever were. Not sure where you're getting this idea it was liberals. Let's be honest: conservatives have always been far more in favor of censorship and banning things. Especially when it comes to "Won't someone please think of the children?!" |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 25, 2017 13:22:40 GMT
Thanks Novastar6. Personally, as an English teacher, I think 8th grade is too young. Move it up to high school. It's a shame to ban this book with such things still going on in the US. Would tie in so easily with BLM, race relations, building of walls.... However, the article doesn't mention right or left wing, therefore politics is, hypothetically, not relevant. Don't project your own leanings onto the actions of stupid, blinkered people. I also cringe when I hear that colleges/universities want to put "trigger warnings" on literature at that level. puh-leeze!!!! Thankfully, we don't have such issues up here. I see no problem with colleges doing that. After all, that's pretty much what PTSD is: triggering a traumatic memory. If someone's been through a rape, then they might be triggered by reading about it in a book. Or someone who's been the victim of racial violence might find it difficult to read about it. Trigger warnings are no more than, "Hey, heads up, this book/class contains the following..." It's the exact same thing movie and tv ratings do. But no one complains about those. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 13:25:17 GMT
How do you know that the morons who want to bann it are liberals ?
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Post by msdemos on Oct 25, 2017 15:08:22 GMT
Liberals, or conservatives, it doesn't really matter. In my opinion, the minute you start banning books, you may as well start burning them, too....something, btw, a nasty little group known as The Nazis, just LOVED doing.  SAVE FERRIS |
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Post by vegalyra on Oct 25, 2017 17:45:17 GMT
Yeah, labels don't really help. The Nazis and the Communists both loved banning or burning books that didn't comply with their particular ideology. Either way, the free expression of ideas is critical for a healthy and functional democracy. It's definitely a slippery slope that we are on regardless of one's political affiliation. They both lead to the same depressing end.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 17:48:09 GMT
Liberals lost their minds years ago. If, however, there were any lingering doubts of that, all we need do is look at their banning of To Kill a Mockingbird. Liberals have become worse than conservatives ever were. Not sure where you're getting this idea it was liberals. Let's be honest: conservatives have always been far more in favor of censorship and banning things. Especially when it comes to "Won't someone please think of the children?!" And I am not sure how you could possibly question who is responsible for this. This is what liberals do any more. I used to be a liberal, before I saw where they were headed. And it's only getting worse. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 25, 2017 18:21:19 GMT
Nah. It's conservatives who love censoring the arts.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 18:45:12 GMT
Nah. It's conservatives who love censoring the arts. Maybe at one point that is true, though I have never seen it. Liberals are in a state of being perpetually offended. They literally target businesses they find offensive so they can sue them. Eventually, they hit the jackpot, like that bakery that refused to bake a cake for a same sex wedding. Let's not forget that liberals today now champion shouting down free speech. And physically assaulting people with different ideologies in the name of (not a joke!) fighting fascism! Antifa is pure fascism. And it took liberals almost two years to even criticize them for their attacks. When I was in college we had to attend lectures by guest speakers and write papers on them. We had to cover different ideologies, too. Guess which one ideology I could not write a paper for. Conservatism. Why? Because every time a conservative was invited, liberals would shout down any speech or, what was more frequent, they were so disruptive outside the hall they had to cancel. So this is not a new tactic but certainly one I found disgusting and helped change my mind on conservatism and liberalism. To me, there is no question that liberalism is a failed ideology, just as there is no question that it is liberals who want to ban books they deem 'offensive'. |
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 25, 2017 20:25:51 GMT
That all sounds exactly like conservatives as well. Except that group used to indulge in some lynchings and assassinations. Far worse than disruptions outside a hall. You forget: protesting is also part of free speech.
Apologies, but you've provided no evidence for that other than an opinion. As I've said, it's conservatives who always want to ban and censor the arts. The entertainment industry is full of stories of conservatives raising their ire over something they deem offensive.
I used to be conservative. But like you, I found their tactics disgusting. More importantly, I found their ideology disgusting.
Liberalism gave us civil rights, women's rights, gay rights, trans' rights, legalization of marijuana. None of those are failures.
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Post by faustus5 on Oct 25, 2017 21:05:07 GMT
Eventually, they hit the jackpot, like that bakery that refused to bake a cake for a same sex wedding. If you are in any way on the side of the bakery, then you are a bigoted ass. I don't believe for one second that you were ever a liberal. |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 25, 2017 22:31:00 GMT
Eventually, they hit the jackpot, like that bakery that refused to bake a cake for a same sex wedding. If you are in any way on the side of the bakery, then you are a bigoted ass. I don't believe for one second that you were ever a liberal. I am entirely on the side of the bakery since it is their business. It is not a public business. It is private. If they want to not serve a same sex wedding, that is fine. And you will notice there were plenty of other bakeries who would serve the same sex wedding. Right? This was done with intent to sue a bakery and nothing else. And I was very much a liberal. Until liberals lost their minds. The bakery fiasco is proof of that. |
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Post by mmexis on Oct 26, 2017 2:18:30 GMT
Thanks Novastar6. Personally, as an English teacher, I think 8th grade is too young. Move it up to high school. It's a shame to ban this book with such things still going on in the US. Would tie in so easily with BLM, race relations, building of walls.... However, the article doesn't mention right or left wing, therefore politics is, hypothetically, not relevant. Don't project your own leanings onto the actions of stupid, blinkered people. I also cringe when I hear that colleges/universities want to put "trigger warnings" on literature at that level. puh-leeze!!!! Thankfully, we don't have such issues up here. I see no problem with colleges doing that. After all, that's pretty much what PTSD is: triggering a traumatic memory. If someone's been through a rape, then they might be triggered by reading about it in a book. Or someone who's been the victim of racial violence might find it difficult to read about it. Trigger warnings are no more than, "Hey, heads up, this book/class contains the following..." It's the exact same thing movie and tv ratings do. But no one complains about those. @preach: When you put it that way, it sounds innocuous. However, I think that this is just putting bubble wrap layers on. If we follow this to its absurd conclusion, everything will have a trigger warning on it. Even religious texts are full of sex and violence and murder and other things people will/can find offensive. Nothing angers me more than watching a show called Bones, for example, which is about a forensic anthropologist - or criminal minds, or Law and Order SVU - and getting a warning that this program contains violence, graphic content, sexual situations, blah blah blah. Isn't that self-evident in the title? Give me some credit for making choice. However, we can agree to disagree because I don't want to argue with you. I agree with you about the value of liberalism and all that it has done. @jamesavalon : Again, I am unfamiliar with this bakery incident. However, it raises this point: your job is to bake/cook/serve/medicate/whatever your job is. Your personal feelings really shouldn't be a part of that. There was a disturbing trend up in Ontario in a place called Barrie where doctors suddenly refused to distribute birth control pills/talk family planning/vaccinate because it went against their principles. We already have a doctor shortage up here, and the doctor's job is to treat the patient. Not to suddenly up and declare themselves Catholic/Muslim/Jehovah's Witness/what have you and refuse to do certain things. In an ideal world (which I know this is not) people shouldn't be able to detect your biases on the job. I am often given a book to teach that I consider a "groaner" (LOTF, The Chrysalids, Gatsby) and yet I teach it without my personal feelings showing. I do all my groaning internally. If the bakery is successful and wants to remain so, the end result is being in the black at the end of the day/month/year. It's a cake, bake it already! Would they also refuse to bake a pe**s cake for a bachelorette party if that was the request? |
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Post by Deleted on Oct 26, 2017 3:17:52 GMT
I see no problem with colleges doing that. After all, that's pretty much what PTSD is: triggering a traumatic memory. If someone's been through a rape, then they might be triggered by reading about it in a book. Or someone who's been the victim of racial violence might find it difficult to read about it. Trigger warnings are no more than, "Hey, heads up, this book/class contains the following..." It's the exact same thing movie and tv ratings do. But no one complains about those. @preach: When you put it that way, it sounds innocuous. However, I think that this is just putting bubble wrap layers on. If we follow this to its absurd conclusion, everything will have a trigger warning on it. Even religious texts are full of sex and violence and murder and other things people will/can find offensive. Nothing angers me more than watching a show called Bones, for example, which is about a forensic anthropologist - or criminal minds, or Law and Order SVU - and getting a warning that this program contains violence, graphic content, sexual situations, blah blah blah. Isn't that self-evident in the title? Give me some credit for making choice. However, we can agree to disagree because I don't want to argue with you. I agree with you about the value of liberalism and all that it has done. @jamesavalon : Again, I am unfamiliar with this bakery incident. However, it raises this point: your job is to bake/cook/serve/medicate/whatever your job is. Your personal feelings really shouldn't be a part of that. There was a disturbing trend up in Ontario in a place called Barrie where doctors suddenly refused to distribute birth control pills/talk family planning/vaccinate because it went against their principles. We already have a doctor shortage up here, and the doctor's job is to treat the patient. Not to suddenly up and declare themselves Catholic/Muslim/Jehovah's Witness/what have you and refuse to do certain things. In an ideal world (which I know this is not) people shouldn't be able to detect your biases on the job. I am often given a book to teach that I consider a "groaner" (LOTF, The Chrysalids, Gatsby) and yet I teach it without my personal feelings showing. I do all my groaning internally. If the bakery is successful and wants to remain so, the end result is being in the black at the end of the day/month/year. It's a cake, bake it already! Would they also refuse to bake a pe**s cake for a bachelorette party if that was the request? Yes, but this was a privately owned business. It was not the employees making the decision. It was the owners. It was not a public school. And now their business is gone because liberals targeted them since they are Christians. They did it to many businesses in hopes one would refuse so they could sue them. It was never about baking a cake for a wedding. It was all about suing a bakery and making an example of them. This is part of why liberals are losing in America. And deservedly so. |
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Post by bonerxmas on Oct 26, 2017 3:31:24 GMT
Liberals lost their minds years ago. If, however, there were any lingering doubts of that, all we need do is look at their banning of To Kill a Mockingbird. Liberals have become worse than conservatives ever were. Not sure where you're getting this idea it was liberals. Let's be honest: conservatives have always been far more in favor of censorship and banning things. that has changed in recent years though, moral majority has kind of disappeared, sjws are now the moral police |
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Post by mmexis on Oct 26, 2017 7:55:33 GMT
@jamesavalon: of course it was about baking a cake for a wedding. I read up on this incident since. He didn't want to bake a cake for a wedding that didn't align with his Christian values. I go back to what I said before: your job is your job. If you are a private business that needs to make money, you make money. He broke the anti-discrimination law of his state. He could have equally been sued for not serving a black, brown, jewish person. The owner, himself, is trying to make a constitutional challenge about "freedom of religion". So much for "love thy neighbour as thyself" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I also read that the President is now championing this case and that there has been another instance of this in California. Oh, intolerance! How like a cancer you spread!
We should agree to disagree on this.
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Post by faustus5 on Oct 26, 2017 10:45:59 GMT
I am entirely on the side of the bakery since it is their business. It is not a public business. It is private. If they want to not serve a same sex wedding, that is fine. Then you are an ignorant, bigoted ass who doesn't understand the law. Let me hold your hand, cupcake: in the 21st century, you can't discriminate against other people on the basis of race, religion, or sexual preference. It doesn't matter if you are operating a private business. If you don't like it, move to a country where religious zealots run things. You were never a liberal and you aren't fooling anyone, although you keep trying. |
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