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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 26, 2017 16:03:10 GMT
Not sure where you're getting this idea it was liberals. Let's be honest: conservatives have always been far more in favor of censorship and banning things. that has changed in recent years though, moral majority has kind of disappeared, sjws are now the moral police I still don't see how being a soldier for social justice is intended to be an insult. Pretty much every hero throughout history has been one. Plus, it still hasn't changed all that much. Conservatives are still the ones trying to ban things. Abortion, gay marriage, marijuana, etc.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 26, 2017 16:09:23 GMT
Private businesses tried that with "Separate but equal."
That's illegal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 1:52:25 GMT
@jamesavalon : of course it was about baking a cake for a wedding. I read up on this incident since. He didn't want to bake a cake for a wedding that didn't align with his Christian values. I go back to what I said before: your job is your job. If you are a private business that needs to make money, you make money. He broke the anti-discrimination law of his state. He could have equally been sued for not serving a black, brown, jewish person. The owner, himself, is trying to make a constitutional challenge about "freedom of religion". So much for "love thy neighbour as thyself" and "do unto others as you would have them do unto you". I also read that the President is now championing this case and that there has been another instance of this in California. Oh, intolerance! How like a cancer you spread! We should agree to disagree on this. Yes, we disagree.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 1:53:18 GMT
Private businesses tried that with "Separate but equal." That's illegal. How is it illegal? My grandparents owned a restaurant for 40 years and they could refuse service to ANYONE they wanted. It was their business. That's called freedom.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 1:55:28 GMT
that has changed in recent years though, moral majority has kind of disappeared, sjws are now the moral police I still don't see how being a soldier for social justice is intended to be an insult. Pretty much every hero throughout history has been one. Plus, it still hasn't changed all that much. Conservatives are still the ones trying to ban things. Abortion, gay marriage, marijuana, etc. Banning abortion is a bad thing to you? I used to think so, too. But how people can celebrate taking out lives like that is really kinda disgusting. Banning gay marriage? Obama RAN on traditional marriage. Hillary called it a 'sacred institution'. And, yes, I completely support the banning of marijuana after seeing what it does to people. Except for HONEST medicinal purposes.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 27, 2017 13:34:10 GMT
Private businesses tried that with "Separate but equal." That's illegal. How is it illegal? My grandparents owned a restaurant for 40 years and they could refuse service to ANYONE they wanted. It was their business. That's called freedom. It's illegal if you discriminate based on protected classes: race, gender, sex, sexual orientation, religion, disabilities. There are decades of laws that say this. That's how it's illegal.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 27, 2017 13:38:16 GMT
I still don't see how being a soldier for social justice is intended to be an insult. Pretty much every hero throughout history has been one. Plus, it still hasn't changed all that much. Conservatives are still the ones trying to ban things. Abortion, gay marriage, marijuana, etc. Banning abortion is a bad thing to you? I used to think so, too. But how people can celebrate taking out lives like that is really kinda disgusting. Banning gay marriage? Obama RAN on traditional marriage. Hillary called it a 'sacred institution'. And, yes, I completely support the banning of marijuana after seeing what it does to people. Except for HONEST medicinal purposes. There's your misunderstanding. Abortion is not a celebration. It's a very difficult decision. But one I fully support women have the right to make for themselves. So yes, banning abortions is a bad thing. Yep, and despite those things, both Obama and Hillary fully supported the Supreme Court's decision and never campaigned against gay marriage. That's the conservative's angle. What marijuana does to people? Chills them out for a while. They get the munchies. And later, they go about the rest of their day with no problems. Even police know it's not a big deal.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 23:52:59 GMT
Banning abortion is a bad thing to you? I used to think so, too. But how people can celebrate taking out lives like that is really kinda disgusting. Banning gay marriage? Obama RAN on traditional marriage. Hillary called it a 'sacred institution'. And, yes, I completely support the banning of marijuana after seeing what it does to people. Except for HONEST medicinal purposes. There's your misunderstanding. Abortion is not a celebration. It's a very difficult decision. But one I fully support women have the right to make for themselves. So yes, banning abortions is a bad thing. Yep, and despite those things, both Obama and Hillary fully supported the Supreme Court's decision and never campaigned against gay marriage. That's the conservative's angle. What marijuana does to people? Chills them out for a while. They get the munchies. And later, they go about the rest of their day with no problems. Even police know it's not a big deal. It's not a misunderstanding. I have seen it with my own eyes. It's also kinda disgusting how casually liberals dismissed the horrific undercover tapes where PP talked about baby parts like they were negotiating the price of a car. I support abortion for the most extreme cases. Reluctantly. I see much more that is noble in those who are pro-life than those who celebrate pro-choice. Yes, and despite those things, Obama and Hillary lied to you about same sex marriage. The moment the polls showed support for same sex marriage, both of them suddenly supported it. I have never met a single person who started smoking marijuana who didn't see it adversely affect them. I have known a few people with terminal cancer who benefited from the 'chill' it provides. But it is very harmful and we still do not know the full long-term effects. I will never touch it.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 27, 2017 23:53:56 GMT
How is it illegal? My grandparents owned a restaurant for 40 years and they could refuse service to ANYONE they wanted. It was their business. That's called freedom. It's illegal if you discriminate based on protected classes: race, gender, sex, sexual orientation, religion, disabilities. There are decades of laws that say this. That's how it's illegal. Protected classes? WTF is that any more? Why is there such a thing a 'protected' classes any more? That is 50 years out of date.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 29, 2017 9:37:55 GMT
Nah. It's conservatives who love censoring the arts. Uh, sorry to sound like a jerk, but if you're going to say that, maybe go ahead and cite some examples to back up that claim? Just a suggestion. I mean I know that you hate conservatives, but still...
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Post by lunda2222 on Oct 30, 2017 11:06:04 GMT
The novel has been censored since its 1960 publication and appeared on the ALA's top ten most frequently challenged books in 2009 and 2011.
Other books that have been banned several places in the US are: Uncle Tom's Cabin, A Streetcar Named Desire, The Scarlet Letter, Moby Dick, Bury My Heart at Wounded Knee, The Great Gatsby, Gone With the Wind, For Whom the Bell Tolls, The Catcher in the Rye, Catch-22, The Call of the Wild, The Adventures of Huckleberry Finn, Harry Potter (all of them), Of Mice and Men, On the Origin of Species, The Communist Manifesto, Brave New World, Nineteen Eighty-Four,
More often than not, it's conservatives that bans them.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2017 13:12:24 GMT
It's illegal if you discriminate based on protected classes: race, gender, sex, sexual orientation, religion, disabilities. There are decades of laws that say this. That's how it's illegal. Protected classes? WTF is that any more? Why is there such a thing a 'protected' classes any more? That is 50 years out of date. I explained what protected classes are. And the fact the bakery owners discriminated against a gay couple show protected classes are in fact not out of date.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2017 13:20:24 GMT
There's your misunderstanding. Abortion is not a celebration. It's a very difficult decision. But one I fully support women have the right to make for themselves. So yes, banning abortions is a bad thing. Yep, and despite those things, both Obama and Hillary fully supported the Supreme Court's decision and never campaigned against gay marriage. That's the conservative's angle. What marijuana does to people? Chills them out for a while. They get the munchies. And later, they go about the rest of their day with no problems. Even police know it's not a big deal. It's not a misunderstanding. I have seen it with my own eyes. It's also kinda disgusting how casually liberals dismissed the horrific undercover tapes where PP talked about baby parts like they were negotiating the price of a car. I support abortion for the most extreme cases. Reluctantly. I see much more that is noble in those who are pro-life than those who celebrate pro-choice. Yes, and despite those things, Obama and Hillary lied to you about same sex marriage. The moment the polls showed support for same sex marriage, both of them suddenly supported it. I have never met a single person who started smoking marijuana who didn't see it adversely affect them. I have known a few people with terminal cancer who benefited from the 'chill' it provides. But it is very harmful and we still do not know the full long-term effects. I will never touch it. No, it is a misunderstanding. The celebration is for the right to chose. Not the abortions themselves. Those tapes were faked. No clinic sells baby parts. I disagree about nobility. Anti-abortionists have bombed abortions clinics. So much for "pro-life." Exactly. Obama and Hillary supported it because the American people supported it. That's how democracy works. I've never met one who's had any adverse effects. It's not "very" harmful. Heck, there are far more benefits to it. Good for you that you'll never touch it. Neither do I. I don't touch alcohol either. But like I said, I'm not in favor of banning things I don't like.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 30, 2017 13:21:38 GMT
Nah. It's conservatives who love censoring the arts. Uh, sorry to sound like a jerk, but if you're going to say that, maybe go ahead and cite some examples to back up that claim? Just a suggestion. I mean I know that you hate conservatives, but still...
No. James made the claim liberals ban first. So it's up to him to cite first. Then I'll look into it.
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Post by lunda2222 on Oct 30, 2017 17:25:18 GMT
Uh, sorry to sound like a jerk, but if you're going to say that, maybe go ahead and cite some examples to back up that claim? Just a suggestion. I mean I know that you hate conservatives, but still...
If you don't mind me interjecting here, Wikipedia has a quite good article on banned books if anybody (besides me) are interested. With lots and lots of references you can look to research even more for those who are really interested. They don't say what affiliations those who ban the books have, but if you look at which places (schools, libraries etc.) who wants to ban which books. Say that Texas are conservative and New York is liberal etc. (I know it's a huge oversimplification, but still) it should give you an approximate overview of who wants to ban the books. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Book_censorship_in_the_United_StatesOr this one. Once you see the reason the books are challenged, you can get a good idea if they are banned by conservatives or liberals. en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_most_commonly_challenged_books_in_the_United_States
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Post by mmexis on Oct 31, 2017 1:20:43 GMT
Sorry to butt in, this has been entertaining. Much as I know that Wikipedia is the "go to" source for many, my librarian heart will not let it stand alone. There's a lot of information here: www.ala.org/advocacy/bbooks. Also here for Canadian members: www.freedomtoread.ca/freedom-to-read-week/#.WffPbWhSzIU. Banned books week happened in September in the US and will happen in the spring in Canada. Also, the book was pulled from the reading list. I don't know if that, technically, counts as banned. The preferred term now is "challenged".
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 2:46:19 GMT
Protected classes? WTF is that any more? Why is there such a thing a 'protected' classes any more? That is 50 years out of date. I explained what protected classes are. And the fact the bakery owners discriminated against a gay couple show protected classes are in fact not out of date. Protected classes? LOL Hell, we need protection from THEM at this point. They are the most militant and intolerant groups of people. And are the bakers not allowed to respect their own religion? Or is that only for Muslims? You will notice that liberals NEVER go after Muslims, who are the most vehemently anti-gay people on the planet to a sanctioned murderous degree.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 2:52:05 GMT
Uh, sorry to sound like a jerk, but if you're going to say that, maybe go ahead and cite some examples to back up that claim? Just a suggestion. I mean I know that you hate conservatives, but still...
No. James made the claim liberals ban first. So it's up to him to cite first. Then I'll look into it. I do make the claim because it is true. If I thought for a moment that conservatives today were all about banning books and shouting down free speech and physically assaulting the political opposition and vandalizing property and rioting, I would NEVER support them. But liberals have embraced those ideas. It's truly astonishing. And here you are acting like liberals are tolerant? Treating all gay people like they are heroic victims and blindly supporting them is not real tolerance. It's pandering. When is the last time conservatives rioted? Or the last time they shouted down free speech and then rioted? Or when they last advocated the murdering of police and then went out and did it? I have never seen a more lucid depiction of a failing ideology than that of modern liberalism. It is a bankrupt ideology.
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Post by faustus5 on Oct 31, 2017 10:48:46 GMT
When is the last time conservatives rioted? When Obama was elected, clueless moron. One guy even started a fire that burned down a church.
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Post by dougb on Oct 31, 2017 12:34:46 GMT
Liberals lost their minds years ago. If, however, there were any lingering doubts of that, all we need do is look at their banning of To Kill a Mockingbird. Liberals have become worse than conservatives ever were. Troll.
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