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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 13:14:04 GMT
I explained what protected classes are. And the fact the bakery owners discriminated against a gay couple show protected classes are in fact not out of date. Protected classes? LOL Hell, we need protection from THEM at this point. They are the most militant and intolerant groups of people. And are the bakers not allowed to respect their own religion? Or is that only for Muslims? You will notice that liberals NEVER go after Muslims, who are the most vehemently anti-gay people on the planet to a sanctioned murderous degree. No, you don't need protection. Your rights aren't being violated. If it's because you're not allowed to discriminate, that's not actually a right. Yes. The bakers can practice privately. But as soon as they start discriminating in public, they can't hide behind religion. Your rights end where another's begin. And don't worry about the Muslims. The conservatives are doing a great job of going after them every day. All they do is hate them. And try to bring them into conversations that had nothing to do with them.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 13:20:41 GMT
No. James made the claim liberals ban first. So it's up to him to cite first. Then I'll look into it. I do make the claim because it is true. If I thought for a moment that conservatives today were all about banning books and shouting down free speech and physically assaulting the political opposition and vandalizing property and rioting, I would NEVER support them. But liberals have embraced those ideas. It's truly astonishing. And here you are acting like liberals are tolerant? Treating all gay people like they are heroic victims and blindly supporting them is not real tolerance. It's pandering. When is the last time conservatives rioted? Or the last time they shouted down free speech and then rioted? Or when they last advocated the murdering of police and then went out and did it? A claim without evidence isn't truth. What's the proof liberals are banning To Kill a Mockingbird? When was the last time conservatives rioted? Just a few weeks ago, a lunatic ran over a peaceful demonstration, and killed someone. So not that long ago really. And of course, that's ignoring the hate crimes committed against minorities after Obama's election win. www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/racist-backlash-greets-president-barack-obama So, yeah, they riot quite a bit.
History proves that's not true. After all, it was conservatives lynching black people. Arresting gays. Discriminating against immigrants. For decades. I'm gonna go ahead and call them the bankrupt ideology. You may not like it, but your group is just as responsible for atrocities. And they're the ones continuing to try to ban people's rights: abortion, gay marriage, immigrant rights, etc. Conservatives love to ban stuff.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 16:50:33 GMT
When is the last time conservatives rioted? When Obama was elected, clueless moron. One guy even started a fire that burned down a church. No, they did not. But liberals rioted throughout Obama's presidency when a perceived racial injustice occurred. Even when they were lies. Liberals riot. Conservatives don't.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 16:51:42 GMT
Liberals lost their minds years ago. If, however, there were any lingering doubts of that, all we need do is look at their banning of To Kill a Mockingbird. Liberals have become worse than conservatives ever were. Troll. That's typical of liberal behavior now, too. Dismiss any criticism as trollish or racist or sexist or Islamophobic or xenophobic.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 16:53:31 GMT
Protected classes? LOL Hell, we need protection from THEM at this point. They are the most militant and intolerant groups of people. And are the bakers not allowed to respect their own religion? Or is that only for Muslims? You will notice that liberals NEVER go after Muslims, who are the most vehemently anti-gay people on the planet to a sanctioned murderous degree. No, you don't need protection. Your rights aren't being violated. If it's because you're not allowed to discriminate, that's not actually a right. Yes. The bakers can practice privately. But as soon as they start discriminating in public, they can't hide behind religion. Your rights end where another's begin. And don't worry about the Muslims. The conservatives are doing a great job of going after them every day. All they do is hate them. And try to bring them into conversations that had nothing to do with them. Then you are saying the bakers have no freedom of religion and the LGBT community has freedoms that are more important. Is that correct? And let me be very clear. Having spent the better part of 20 years with Muslims, in America and in the Middle East, I emphatically do not trust them. Only a fool would.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 17:02:34 GMT
I do make the claim because it is true. If I thought for a moment that conservatives today were all about banning books and shouting down free speech and physically assaulting the political opposition and vandalizing property and rioting, I would NEVER support them. But liberals have embraced those ideas. It's truly astonishing. And here you are acting like liberals are tolerant? Treating all gay people like they are heroic victims and blindly supporting them is not real tolerance. It's pandering. When is the last time conservatives rioted? Or the last time they shouted down free speech and then rioted? Or when they last advocated the murdering of police and then went out and did it? A claim without evidence isn't truth. What's the proof liberals are banning To Kill a Mockingbird? When was the last time conservatives rioted? Just a few weeks ago, a lunatic ran over a peaceful demonstration, and killed someone. So not that long ago really. And of course, that's ignoring the hate crimes committed against minorities after Obama's election win. www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/racist-backlash-greets-president-barack-obama So, yeah, they riot quite a bit.
History proves that's not true. After all, it was conservatives lynching black people. Arresting gays. Discriminating against immigrants. For decades. I'm gonna go ahead and call them the bankrupt ideology. You may not like it, but your group is just as responsible for atrocities. And they're the ones continuing to try to ban people's rights: abortion, gay marriage, immigrant rights, etc. Conservatives love to ban stuff. It is true and I think you don't want to admit it because once you loosen that thread it all starts unraveling. History? We are not living in history. We are living in the here and now and liberalism is a failed ideology today. You want proof? Here is it. Liberals claim to be pro-LGBT. Ok? Fine. They also support Muslims. Now, anyone who has spent any time with Muslims will quickly find out they hate two things with a passion you have to witness to appreciate. They hate pigs. Don't even ask them if they want bacon. They will give you a death stare. They also hate homosexuals. Add to that their abuse of women that is culturally and state sanctioned. You have an ideology that is at absolute loggerheads with what liberals claim to support. And yet liberals never criticize Muslims. Ever. When the Orlando shootings took place, IMMEDIATELY liberals said was a Christian because it was a gay night club. I remember it very well. But the moment we found out it was a Muslim, liberals didn't blame him or Islam. They blamed the gun. So they shifted the blame from a religion (Christianity) to guns. In Benghazi, liberals blamed a video. Because, well, if Muslims are offended by a video it makes sense they murder people. Right? Can Christians go around and murder people if they are offended? Not a chance. Only Muslims seem to be afforded that privilege. And my group is responsible? The KKK was Democrat. The Dems fought to keep slavery. The Dems fought to stop civil rights legislation. The Dems then pandered to those black voters and used them ever since. The Dems have the Black Panther Party and the NEW Black Panther Party and BLM, all racist groups. The Dems support eliminating American history in favor of their version of it. The very idea that we have to remove statues of the very BEST Americans is liberalism gone insane. So, YES, liberals are the ones who want to ban To Kill a Mockingbird. You would have to be a total IDIOT not to see that.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 18:24:17 GMT
No, you don't need protection. Your rights aren't being violated. If it's because you're not allowed to discriminate, that's not actually a right. Yes. The bakers can practice privately. But as soon as they start discriminating in public, they can't hide behind religion. Your rights end where another's begin. And don't worry about the Muslims. The conservatives are doing a great job of going after them every day. All they do is hate them. And try to bring them into conversations that had nothing to do with them. Then you are saying the bakers have no freedom of religion and the LGBT community has freedoms that are more important. Is that correct? And let me be very clear. Having spent the better part of 20 years with Muslims, in America and in the Middle East, I emphatically do not trust them. Only a fool would. I'm saying the bakers have no freedom to discriminate. Plain and simple. They don't get to hide behind religion. And yes, the LBGT has the freedom to go into any establishment and not be discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. Let me be clear: thank you for proving my point about conservatives and Muslims.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 18:34:12 GMT
A claim without evidence isn't truth. What's the proof liberals are banning To Kill a Mockingbird? When was the last time conservatives rioted? Just a few weeks ago, a lunatic ran over a peaceful demonstration, and killed someone. So not that long ago really. And of course, that's ignoring the hate crimes committed against minorities after Obama's election win. www.splcenter.org/fighting-hate/intelligence-report/2009/racist-backlash-greets-president-barack-obama So, yeah, they riot quite a bit.
History proves that's not true. After all, it was conservatives lynching black people. Arresting gays. Discriminating against immigrants. For decades. I'm gonna go ahead and call them the bankrupt ideology. You may not like it, but your group is just as responsible for atrocities. And they're the ones continuing to try to ban people's rights: abortion, gay marriage, immigrant rights, etc. Conservatives love to ban stuff. It is true and I think you don't want to admit it because once you loosen that thread it all starts unraveling. History? We are not living in history. We are living in the here and now and liberalism is a failed ideology today. You want proof? Here is it. Liberals claim to be pro-LGBT. Ok? Fine. They also support Muslims. Now, anyone who has spent any time with Muslims will quickly find out they hate two things with a passion you have to witness to appreciate. They hate pigs. Don't even ask them if they want bacon. They will give you a death stare. They also hate homosexuals. Add to that their abuse of women that is culturally and state sanctioned. You have an ideology that is at absolute loggerheads with what liberals claim to support. And yet liberals never criticize Muslims. Ever. When the Orlando shootings took place, IMMEDIATELY liberals said was a Christian because it was a gay night club. I remember it very well. But the moment we found out it was a Muslim, liberals didn't blame him or Islam. They blamed the gun. So they shifted the blame from a religion (Christianity) to guns. In Benghazi, liberals blamed a video. Because, well, if Muslims are offended by a video it makes sense they murder people. Right? Can Christians go around and murder people if they are offended? Not a chance. Only Muslims seem to be afforded that privilege. And my group is responsible? The KKK was Democrat. The Dems fought to keep slavery. The Dems fought to stop civil rights legislation. The Dems then pandered to those black voters and used them ever since. The Dems have the Black Panther Party and the NEW Black Panther Party and BLM, all racist groups. The Dems support eliminating American history in favor of their version of it. The very idea that we have to remove statues of the very BEST Americans is liberalism gone insane. So, YES, liberals are the ones who want to ban To Kill a Mockingbird. You would have to be a total IDIOT not to see that. I'm sorry, but that's not how truth works. You can't just say something is true. If it was that easy, the world would be flat and there'd be no evolution. You have to provide proof.We're not living in history? Oh, how wrong that is. Everyday, we're living in history. We're making it with every decision. Don't sell yourself short. Conservativism is antiquated. That's why so many want to go back to the "Good old days." But there never were any good old days. I get it. You hate Muslims. That's your own deal to work out. And you're absolutely wrong if you think Liberals don't criticize them. Just look at all the work the women's movement (a liberal movement) has done to fight against the oppression of Middle Eastern women. Again, saying something doesn't make it true. Sorry, but the KKK is now officially a conservative group. Heck, they helped get Trump elected. Even the KKK themselves acknowledge and brag about this. We don't need to leave up statues that were erected with racist and oppressive intent. They deserve to go down. It's just a hunk of metal. It doesn't affect conservatives in any way. Other than they can't look at statues of racist traitors. So, no. You still have no proof liberals are banning to Kill a Mockingbird. As I said, it's the conservatives who freak out over the arts. Always have been.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 18:35:37 GMT
When Obama was elected, clueless moron. One guy even started a fire that burned down a church. No, they did not. But liberals rioted throughout Obama's presidency when a perceived racial injustice occurred. Even when they were lies. Liberals riot. Conservatives don't. Yes, they did. I even provided a link.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 21:13:37 GMT
Then you are saying the bakers have no freedom of religion and the LGBT community has freedoms that are more important. Is that correct? And let me be very clear. Having spent the better part of 20 years with Muslims, in America and in the Middle East, I emphatically do not trust them. Only a fool would. I'm saying the bakers have no freedom to discriminate. Plain and simple. They don't get to hide behind religion. And yes, the LBGT has the freedom to go into any establishment and not be discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. Let me be clear: thank you for proving my point about conservatives and Muslims. So the LGBT's rights are more important than the religious rights for the bakers. And any store, public or private, must be forced to serve them or face bankruptcy. Is that your position?
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 21:18:33 GMT
It is true and I think you don't want to admit it because once you loosen that thread it all starts unraveling. History? We are not living in history. We are living in the here and now and liberalism is a failed ideology today. You want proof? Here is it. Liberals claim to be pro-LGBT. Ok? Fine. They also support Muslims. Now, anyone who has spent any time with Muslims will quickly find out they hate two things with a passion you have to witness to appreciate. They hate pigs. Don't even ask them if they want bacon. They will give you a death stare. They also hate homosexuals. Add to that their abuse of women that is culturally and state sanctioned. You have an ideology that is at absolute loggerheads with what liberals claim to support. And yet liberals never criticize Muslims. Ever. When the Orlando shootings took place, IMMEDIATELY liberals said was a Christian because it was a gay night club. I remember it very well. But the moment we found out it was a Muslim, liberals didn't blame him or Islam. They blamed the gun. So they shifted the blame from a religion (Christianity) to guns. In Benghazi, liberals blamed a video. Because, well, if Muslims are offended by a video it makes sense they murder people. Right? Can Christians go around and murder people if they are offended? Not a chance. Only Muslims seem to be afforded that privilege. And my group is responsible? The KKK was Democrat. The Dems fought to keep slavery. The Dems fought to stop civil rights legislation. The Dems then pandered to those black voters and used them ever since. The Dems have the Black Panther Party and the NEW Black Panther Party and BLM, all racist groups. The Dems support eliminating American history in favor of their version of it. The very idea that we have to remove statues of the very BEST Americans is liberalism gone insane. So, YES, liberals are the ones who want to ban To Kill a Mockingbird. You would have to be a total IDIOT not to see that. I'm sorry, but that's not how truth works. You can't just say something is true. If it was that easy, the world would be flat and there'd be no evolution. You have to provide proof.We're not living in history? Oh, how wrong that is. Everyday, we're living in history. We're making it with every decision. Don't sell yourself short. Conservativism is antiquated. That's why so many want to go back to the "Good old days." But there never were any good old days. I get it. You hate Muslims. That's your own deal to work out. And you're absolutely wrong if you think Liberals don't criticize them. Just look at all the work the women's movement (a liberal movement) has done to fight against the oppression of Middle Eastern women. Again, saying something doesn't make it true. Sorry, but the KKK is now officially a conservative group. Heck, they helped get Trump elected. Even the KKK themselves acknowledge and brag about this. We don't need to leave up statues that were erected with racist and oppressive intent. They deserve to go down. It's just a hunk of metal. It doesn't affect conservatives in any way. Other than they can't look at statues of racist traitors. So, no. You still have no proof liberals are banning to Kill a Mockingbird. As I said, it's the conservatives who freak out over the arts. Always have been. No, we are not living in history. Did you really need to be told that. History is the past. We are living in the present. We cannot change the past. We can only change the future. I don't 'hate' Muslims but I understand them and that is why I know they will never be able to co-exist with Western countries. Never. It's impossible. If you think for a second that the women in Muslim countries are going to ever realize the kind of freedoms Christian women enjoy, you are insane. They are incredibly oppressive. I have seen it up close. What is a 'racist' now? Since liberals are now trying to remove men such as Washington and Lincoln, two of the very finest Americans ever. Men who we OWE our very country to for their sacrifices. If they are just hunks of metal, as you see them, then why tear them down at all? Just leave them be. Liberals are the ones who now ban things. And shout down free speech. And riot.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 21:20:46 GMT
No, they did not. But liberals rioted throughout Obama's presidency when a perceived racial injustice occurred. Even when they were lies. Liberals riot. Conservatives don't. Yes, they did. I even provided a link. No, they didn't. I do remember when a church was burned down but I can bet you ANYTHING it was a black person or persons who did it. Just like always. Conservatives do not act like that. Liberals do. How can you not see that? Because you are living in a past you want to believe is the present and, sadly, you are wrong on both counts.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 21:25:49 GMT
Yes, they did. I even provided a link. No, they didn't. I do remember when a church was burned down but I can bet you ANYTHING it was a black person or persons who did it. Just like always. Conservatives do not act like that. Liberals do. How can you not see that? Because you are living in a past you want to believe is the present and, sadly, you are wrong on both counts. Yes. They did. The link proves it. Conservatives don't act like that? True. Conservatives bomb black churches, blow up abortion clinics, and lynch minorities. And blaming a black person with absolutely no evidence? Wow. And I thought only the police did that.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 21:30:55 GMT
I'm sorry, but that's not how truth works. You can't just say something is true. If it was that easy, the world would be flat and there'd be no evolution. You have to provide proof.We're not living in history? Oh, how wrong that is. Everyday, we're living in history. We're making it with every decision. Don't sell yourself short. Conservativism is antiquated. That's why so many want to go back to the "Good old days." But there never were any good old days. I get it. You hate Muslims. That's your own deal to work out. And you're absolutely wrong if you think Liberals don't criticize them. Just look at all the work the women's movement (a liberal movement) has done to fight against the oppression of Middle Eastern women. Again, saying something doesn't make it true. Sorry, but the KKK is now officially a conservative group. Heck, they helped get Trump elected. Even the KKK themselves acknowledge and brag about this. We don't need to leave up statues that were erected with racist and oppressive intent. They deserve to go down. It's just a hunk of metal. It doesn't affect conservatives in any way. Other than they can't look at statues of racist traitors. So, no. You still have no proof liberals are banning to Kill a Mockingbird. As I said, it's the conservatives who freak out over the arts. Always have been. No, we are not living in history. Did you really need to be told that. History is the past. We are living in the present. We cannot change the past. We can only change the future. I don't 'hate' Muslims but I understand them and that is why I know they will never be able to co-exist with Western countries. Never. It's impossible. If you think for a second that the women in Muslim countries are going to ever realize the kind of freedoms Christian women enjoy, you are insane. They are incredibly oppressive. I have seen it up close. What is a 'racist' now? Since liberals are now trying to remove men such as Washington and Lincoln, two of the very finest Americans ever. Men who we OWE our very country to for their sacrifices. If they are just hunks of metal, as you see them, then why tear them down at all? Just leave them be. Liberals are the ones who now ban things. And shout down free speech. And riot. We are the future's history. Our choices shape it. People used to say blacks and whites can't co-exist. Or gays and straights can't co-exist. We can. Washington owned slaves. Not so fine. Lincoln thought blacks weren't the equals of whites. Not so fine either. They did very good works for the country, no doubt. What are liberals banning? Removing statues does not affect your choices. Conservatives want to deny your choices: abortion, gay marriage, and other things. Liberals don't ban the arts. Conservatives do. Conservatives burn down black churches, bomb abortion clinics, and lynch minorities. That's far worse than taking down some hunk of metal.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 21:34:24 GMT
I'm saying the bakers have no freedom to discriminate. Plain and simple. They don't get to hide behind religion. And yes, the LBGT has the freedom to go into any establishment and not be discriminated against because of their sexual orientation. Let me be clear: thank you for proving my point about conservatives and Muslims. So the LGBT's rights are more important than the religious rights for the bakers. And any store, public or private, must be forced to serve them or face bankruptcy. Is that your position? Their religious rights were not affected. No where in the bible does it say, "Thou shalt not make cakes for gays." Their rights to practice their religion at home or church were not affected. But when you open up a business for the public, you have to fall in line with the law. Which means, you don't get to discriminate. Not even if you try to hide behind religion. That's my position.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 21:38:35 GMT
No, they didn't. I do remember when a church was burned down but I can bet you ANYTHING it was a black person or persons who did it. Just like always. Conservatives do not act like that. Liberals do. How can you not see that? Because you are living in a past you want to believe is the present and, sadly, you are wrong on both counts. Yes. They did. The link proves it. Conservatives don't act like that? True. Conservatives bomb black churches, blow up abortion clinics, and lynch minorities. And blaming a black person with absolutely no evidence? Wow. And I thought only the police did that. No, conservatives do not act like that. Liberals do. How many times have liberals claimed a 'racist' attack when it turned out it was all a ruse? Just recently in a Michigan university, a black student was the one who painted grafitti was that deemed 'racist'. It happens all the time. That's just ONE example of many such instances.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 21:43:02 GMT
No, we are not living in history. Did you really need to be told that. History is the past. We are living in the present. We cannot change the past. We can only change the future. I don't 'hate' Muslims but I understand them and that is why I know they will never be able to co-exist with Western countries. Never. It's impossible. If you think for a second that the women in Muslim countries are going to ever realize the kind of freedoms Christian women enjoy, you are insane. They are incredibly oppressive. I have seen it up close. What is a 'racist' now? Since liberals are now trying to remove men such as Washington and Lincoln, two of the very finest Americans ever. Men who we OWE our very country to for their sacrifices. If they are just hunks of metal, as you see them, then why tear them down at all? Just leave them be. Liberals are the ones who now ban things. And shout down free speech. And riot. We are the future's history. Our choices shape it. People used to say blacks and whites can't co-exist. Or gays and straights can't co-exist. We can. Washington owned slaves. Not so fine. Lincoln thought blacks weren't the equals of whites. Not so fine either. They did very good works for the country, no doubt. What are liberals banning? Removing statues does not affect your choices. Conservatives want to deny your choices: abortion, gay marriage, and other things. Liberals don't ban the arts. Conservatives do. Conservatives burn down black churches, bomb abortion clinics, and lynch minorities. That's far worse than taking down some hunk of metal. Yeah, but we don't live in history. LOL I'm not so sure that we can co-exist any more. It's getting worse every day. Liberals stoke those flames every chance they get by crying 'racism' over everything. Washington lived in a different time. You dope. And I have studied social issues since college and there ARE differences, very distinct differences, between different people throughout the world. To deny that is to deny reality. Just as there are differences between men and women. This idea that all people ARE equal is painfully ludicrous. When is the last time conservatives did ANY of those things? Liberals have consistently been rioting since around 2010. They have beaten and bloodied people for supporting Trump. They have destroyed public parks and vandalized countless businesses. They have attacked the elderly! They have attacked kids! They have shot the police! No ideology in America is as violent as liberalism. Although Muslims are working on it. By the way, it was Dems who committed most of the lynchings in America. Get it right.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 21:44:48 GMT
So the LGBT's rights are more important than the religious rights for the bakers. And any store, public or private, must be forced to serve them or face bankruptcy. Is that your position? Their religious rights were not affected. No where in the bible does it say, "Thou shalt not make cakes for gays." Their rights to practice their religion at home or church were not affected. But when you open up a business for the public, you have to fall in line with the law. Which means, you don't get to discriminate. Not even if you try to hide behind religion. That's my position. Certainly they were since their religion does not believe in same sex marriage. You are forcing them to go against their religious beliefs so a same sex couple can have a cake, which they could EASILY have purchased elsewhere. Freedom means more than just you getting your way at all costs. You have to consider others, too. That is something liberals have forgotten.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 21:57:16 GMT
Yes. They did. The link proves it. Conservatives don't act like that? True. Conservatives bomb black churches, blow up abortion clinics, and lynch minorities. And blaming a black person with absolutely no evidence? Wow. And I thought only the police did that. No, conservatives do not act like that. Liberals do. How many times have liberals claimed a 'racist' attack when it turned out it was all a ruse? Just recently in a Michigan university, a black student was the one who painted grafitti was that deemed 'racist'. It happens all the time. That's just ONE example of many such instances. Yes, they do. Heck, they blame minorities for crimes they have no evidence they even committed.
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Post by Deleted on Oct 31, 2017 22:06:36 GMT
No, conservatives do not act like that. Liberals do. How many times have liberals claimed a 'racist' attack when it turned out it was all a ruse? Just recently in a Michigan university, a black student was the one who painted grafitti was that deemed 'racist'. It happens all the time. That's just ONE example of many such instances. Yes, they do. Heck, they blame minorities for crimes they have no evidence they even committed. Black people are responsible for over half the violent crimes in America. Ignoring that doesn't help at all. And who decided to burn down Ferguson because of a lie? Liberals. And today, AGAIN, another terrorist attack that will be pushed aside in a day as liberals march the country into the abyss so they can pat themselves on the back for their 'tolerance' of Islam like the useful idiots they have become.
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