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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 22:08:41 GMT
We are the future's history. Our choices shape it. People used to say blacks and whites can't co-exist. Or gays and straights can't co-exist. We can. Washington owned slaves. Not so fine. Lincoln thought blacks weren't the equals of whites. Not so fine either. They did very good works for the country, no doubt. What are liberals banning? Removing statues does not affect your choices. Conservatives want to deny your choices: abortion, gay marriage, and other things. Liberals don't ban the arts. Conservatives do. Conservatives burn down black churches, bomb abortion clinics, and lynch minorities. That's far worse than taking down some hunk of metal. Yeah, but we don't live in history. LOL I'm not so sure that we can co-exist any more. It's getting worse every day. Liberals stoke those flames every chance they get by crying 'racism' over everything. Washington lived in a different time. You dope. And I have studied social issues since college and there ARE differences, very distinct differences, between different people throughout the world. To deny that is to deny reality. Just as there are differences between men and women. This idea that all people ARE equal is painfully ludicrous. When is the last time conservatives did ANY of those things? Liberals have consistently been rioting since around 2010. They have beaten and bloodied people for supporting Trump. They have destroyed public parks and vandalized countless businesses. They have attacked the elderly! They have attacked kids! They have shot the police! No ideology in America is as violent as liberalism. Although Muslims are working on it. By the way, it was Dems who committed most of the lynchings in America. Get it right. Yes, we do live in it. We don't live in the past. But we live in history. I'm more than certain we can live together. Things are much better than they were decades ago. Different time or not, he owned slaves. There's no excusing that. When did they do stuff like that? I'm glad you asked: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_Statesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_African-American_churches#2011-presentIt was all pretty recent. Except the conservatives who lyched minorities and beat and killed gays. Everything you just claimed about liberals, conservatives did during Obama's presidency. And continue to during Trump's.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 22:11:20 GMT
Their religious rights were not affected. No where in the bible does it say, "Thou shalt not make cakes for gays." Their rights to practice their religion at home or church were not affected. But when you open up a business for the public, you have to fall in line with the law. Which means, you don't get to discriminate. Not even if you try to hide behind religion. That's my position. Certainly they were since their religion does not believe in same sex marriage. You have to consider others, too. That is something liberals have forgotten. Incorrect. As I said, they can still freely practice at home or in church. Once they took their business public, the public's needs come first. They don't get to hide behind religion to discriminate publicly. We tried Separate but Equal. It's wrong and illegal.
Which the bakers failed to understand. They wanted to get their way. Their religion doesn't give them the right to discriminate.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Oct 31, 2017 22:13:47 GMT
Yes, they do. Heck, they blame minorities for crimes they have no evidence they even committed. Black people are responsible for over half the violent crimes in America. Ignoring that doesn't help at all. And who decided to burn down Ferguson because of a lie? Liberals. And today, AGAIN, another terrorist attack that will be pushed aside in a day as liberals march the country into the abyss so they can pat themselves on the back for their 'tolerance' of Islam like the useful idiots they have become. A claim you make based on no evidence.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 2:47:20 GMT
Yeah, but we don't live in history. LOL I'm not so sure that we can co-exist any more. It's getting worse every day. Liberals stoke those flames every chance they get by crying 'racism' over everything. Washington lived in a different time. You dope. And I have studied social issues since college and there ARE differences, very distinct differences, between different people throughout the world. To deny that is to deny reality. Just as there are differences between men and women. This idea that all people ARE equal is painfully ludicrous. When is the last time conservatives did ANY of those things? Liberals have consistently been rioting since around 2010. They have beaten and bloodied people for supporting Trump. They have destroyed public parks and vandalized countless businesses. They have attacked the elderly! They have attacked kids! They have shot the police! No ideology in America is as violent as liberalism. Although Muslims are working on it. By the way, it was Dems who committed most of the lynchings in America. Get it right. Yes, we do live in it. We don't live in the past. But we live in history. I'm more than certain we can live together. Things are much better than they were decades ago. Different time or not, he owned slaves. There's no excusing that. When did they do stuff like that? I'm glad you asked: en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Anti-abortion_violence#United_Statesen.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_attacks_against_African-American_churches#2011-presentIt was all pretty recent. Except the conservatives who lyched minorities and beat and killed gays. Everything you just claimed about liberals, conservatives did during Obama's presidency. And continue to during Trump's. Maybe you live in history. That may be accurate. But most of the rest of us live in the present, while learning from history. Things were better a generation ago but liberals, especially Obama, decided to put an end to that and now we have a divided nation in many ways, especially racial. Slavery was part of a culture and you should never apply today's standards to a historical era that you cannot understand. Washington was arguably the greatest man in American history. I have yet to read about another who rose to the level of greatness he did. Lincoln is the closest. When liberals went after Robert E. Lee, another great man if you bother to read about him, it showed me yet again that liberals are mostly insane. And next year you will learn once again why you are losing in America. And since I became a conservative, the number of violent conservatives I have met I could count on one hand. It's just not part of their character. Liberals, however, have become almost nothing but violent.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 2:52:03 GMT
Certainly they were since their religion does not believe in same sex marriage. You have to consider others, too. That is something liberals have forgotten. Incorrect. As I said, they can still freely practice at home or in church. Once they took their business public, the public's needs come first. They don't get to hide behind religion to discriminate publicly. We tried Separate but Equal. It's wrong and illegal.
Which the bakers failed to understand. They wanted to get their way. Their religion doesn't give them the right to discriminate.
They can practice at home? LOL That's your idea of supporting their right of religious freedom. And their business was private. Not public. It's a private business. It's not like the gay couple was denied a driver's license. It was a cake. Amazing that you defend this. Of course, if a gay owner throws out a person for being a Christian, you have no problems with that. I notice you haven't mentioned that. Or the way Christians in America are treated with utter disdain by liberals. Do you not recognize that you are asking these people to do something against their own religion? All because militant LGBT wanted to make an example of them. That is your idea of freedom? Liberals have a very warped idea of freedom any more. Forcing people to think and act like you is not freedom.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 2:57:54 GMT
Black people are responsible for over half the violent crimes in America. Ignoring that doesn't help at all. And who decided to burn down Ferguson because of a lie? Liberals. And today, AGAIN, another terrorist attack that will be pushed aside in a day as liberals march the country into the abyss so they can pat themselves on the back for their 'tolerance' of Islam like the useful idiots they have become. A claim you make based on no evidence. A claim that was based on Eric Holder's own DOJ investigation! LOL You do realize that you can read for yourself and not just Google and copy and paste a link that supports you. Anyone can do that. But the fact that you didn't even know that more than half the violent crimes in America are committed by black people and that you didn't even know that Ferguson was based on a lie shows me you don't care about facts, just as you don't seem to care that your ideology supports banning books they deem offensive. And are liberals blaming Islam today for the attack? No. They are quiet as church mice. They can't blame the gun. There was no real gun. It's silly to blame the truck. They can't blame Islam, the religion of 'peace'. So they will offer up lip-service support for the victims and their families and forget about it tomorrow. You want to know who has really helped Islam? Liberals. You are their best friends. They count on you treating them like little children who only need a pat on the head or a hug so they will see the light. NO. Muslims understand how to use you to their advantage. They are so much smarter than you think. And they are much more patient. Their goal is the same one Hitler had and yet none of you seem to care. They want global domination.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 1, 2017 11:49:01 GMT
It was a taxpaying storefront open to the public, therefore the business was subject to the laws of the state, which prohibit discrimination on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation. It's the law, idiot. You lose the argument right there. You are basically saying that the rule of law doesn't apply to right wing bigots. Wrong, pumpkin. That would be illegal, too. You are essentially making a fool of yourself in a public space. Keep it up--it's hilarious. Your religion doesn't give you the right to break the laws of the state. And the fact that there are deeply faithful Christians who aren't anti-gay bigots shows us that it really isn't a matter of religion, anyway. If someone claimed that their religion said black people are evil and refused to serve them, I suppose you'd be dumb enough to defend that, too. The people who have a truly warped idea of freedom are knuckle-dragging idiot conservatives like you. The law is against you. You've lost the culture wars. Grow up and deal with it, because we aren't going back. No one is forcing you morons to think and act like decent liberals. You can be just as much of a hateful, idiotic bigot as you want. But when you interact with others, you have to obey the laws of your state and country, and those laws will prevent you from being an awful jerk to others. Grow up and deal with it.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 15:58:59 GMT
It was a taxpaying storefront open to the public, therefore the business was subject to the laws of the state, which prohibit discrimination on the basis of race, religion, or sexual orientation. It's the law, idiot. You lose the argument right there. You are basically saying that the rule of law doesn't apply to right wing bigots. Wrong, pumpkin. That would be illegal, too. You are essentially making a fool of yourself in a public space. Keep it up--it's hilarious. Your religion doesn't give you the right to break the laws of the state. And the fact that there are deeply faithful Christians who aren't anti-gay bigots shows us that it really isn't a matter of religion, anyway. If someone claimed that their religion said black people are evil and refused to serve them, I suppose you'd be dumb enough to defend that, too. The people who have a truly warped idea of freedom are knuckle-dragging idiot conservatives like you. The law is against you. You've lost the culture wars. Grow up and deal with it, because we aren't going back. No one is forcing you morons to think and act like decent liberals. You can be just as much of a hateful, idiotic bigot as you want. But when you interact with others, you have to obey the laws of your state and country, and those laws will prevent you from being an awful jerk to others. Grow up and deal with it. LOL Then by your reasoning there are no such things as private businesses. We all pay taxes to support infrastructure. Some more than others. This was not about a cake, which is not a right for any person. This is about targeting a Christian bakery. That is all. You can go out and find ten bakeries who will make a wedding cake. And of course the rule of law applies. To all people. Except illegal immigrants, who can come and go as they wish regardless of any laws. As long as they vote early and often for the Dems. We all have seen how liberals selectively obey laws when it suits them. A liberal championing LAWS is hysterical. So if a gay owner did throw out a Christian group, which did happen and was caught on video, then why didn't you protest that gay owner? Why didn't the Christians sue? See, you aren't seeing what's going on. If a private business, in a free market, wants to deny service to ANYONE, that should be fine. They may lose business because of it but the state should not intervene and force them to comply and force them into bankruptcy. What kind of government is that? And for what? Baking a cake they could have gotten at any of a dozen other places. They targeted this bakery and that is wrong on every level. I am the one who sounds hateful? LOL Go back and read your post again. You are the hateful one. Liberals have become the most hateful, intolerant and violent people in America. It is absolutely saturated in your thinking.
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Post by mmexis on Nov 1, 2017 16:42:53 GMT
Have just gone to this baker's website. The store is called "masterpiece cakeshop". It has won awards from various places including the Knot as best cake whatever. Nowhere on the website does it say that he is Christian. It does say: ". Call or come in. We look forward to serving you!". It also says that they are no longer creating wedding cakes. The best irony is the cake in the gallery under specialty that shows MLK saying "no person has the right to rain on your dreams" Gotta love irony!
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 1, 2017 16:44:30 GMT
Ha ha ha. Delicious irony.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 1, 2017 16:56:03 GMT
LOL Then by your reasoning there are no such things as private businesses. "Private" doesn't mean what you think it does, legally. Grow up and deal with it. It is about the right not to be discriminated against for completely idiotic reasons. Those Christian pieces of shit made themselves a target by their behavior, and they got what they deserved. Can you document this with a mainstream source? Good luck with that! Until I know the context and what really happened, I don't know enough about the situation to judge whether they should have been thrown out or not--and neither do you. If they were thrown out only for being Christian, which I really don't believe ever happened, that would be wrong. No, it shouldn't be fine, as recognized by law. Grow up and deal with it.
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Post by PreachCaleb on Nov 1, 2017 18:32:11 GMT
It really is shocking how blatant some people are about their desire to freely discriminate. And then how comical their reaction is at being explained the law does not permit them to do so.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 1, 2017 18:41:32 GMT
LOL Then by your reasoning there are no such things as private businesses. "Private" doesn't mean what you think it does, legally. Grow up and deal with it. It is about the right not to be discriminated against for completely idiotic reasons. Those Christian pieces of shit made themselves a target by their behavior, and they got what they deserved. Can you document this with a mainstream source? Good luck with that! Until I know the context and what really happened, I don't know enough about the situation to judge whether they should have been thrown out or not--and neither do you. If they were thrown out only for being Christian, which I really don't believe ever happened, that would be wrong. No, it shouldn't be fine, as recognized by law. Grow up and deal with it. I know what private means. I have studied business and econ extensively. What do you think it means? Apparently it means the same a public. Am I right? They are different and should be treated as such. Do you think it is ok to discriminate against a person's religious beliefs? I don't. Not even Muslims, who I think are completely incompatible with Western culture. But that doesn't mean we FORCE them to adhere to your beliefs. They will do that, for sure and that is why you are scared to treat Muslims like you do Christians. Christians are fairly tolerant, especially compared to you or Muslims. Muslims hate homosexuals to such a degree they have state sanctioned MURDER of them. Do you not get that? What liberals have become in the past decade really sicken me.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 2, 2017 16:49:25 GMT
What you think doesn't matter. What matters is the law. Grow up and deal with it. Of course not, as I've clearly said several times. Is English not your primary language? Muslims are no more incompatible with Western culture than Christians. But fundamentalist, bigoted Muslims and Christians are both incompatible with Western civilization. There are also Christians in the US who have openly sanctioned the murder of homosexuals. There are Christians in Africa who have passed laws making homosexuality punishable by death. Do you not get that? Frankly, people like you and the idiotic bakers you want to defend actually have more in common with the world's Muslims than you realize. What conservatives have become in the last decade really sickens me. Given that you idiots deny the science of climate change, you are actually and literally threats to human civilization itself. Can't say the same for liberals.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 0:20:05 GMT
What you think doesn't matter. What matters is the law. Grow up and deal with it. Of course not, as I've clearly said several times. Is English not your primary language? Muslims are no more incompatible with Western culture than Christians. But fundamentalist, bigoted Muslims and Christians are both incompatible with Western civilization. There are also Christians in the US who have openly sanctioned the murder of homosexuals. There are Christians in Africa who have passed laws making homosexuality punishable by death. Do you not get that? Frankly, people like you and the idiotic bakers you want to defend actually have more in common with the world's Muslims than you realize. What conservatives have become in the last decade really sickens me. Given that you idiots deny the science of climate change, you are actually and literally threats to human civilization itself. Can't say the same for liberals. No, as liberals have proven every single day, laws are malleable and not to be taken seriously. You say it is not ok to discriminate against someone's religion while you are discriminating against someone's religion. Which one is it? I mean it would be fine if you treated all religions the way you do Christians but you don't. You single Christians out. That is discrimination. Western culture IS Christian. That's where it came from. Christians founded and built this country, much more so than any other group of people. They also died to defend it and saved the world from global fascism. TWICE. They also fought a civil war to free slaves. Most of the people who lived and died to forge this nation were Christians. I know that goes against your hatred of Christians but it is the truth. And the most decent people I have met, by FAR, are Christians. Liberals today are the least decent people I have ever met. You have no conscience whatsoever. Show me a Christian nation that sanctions the killing of homosexuals. I don't mean a few fringe elements. I mean LAW. Not 'law' in the way liberals mean law but the real kind. The ones we pass through a bicameral body and then have enforced. You have heard of those? There are several Muslim nations that do that. Islam is the most polar opposite to liberals and yet you don't oppose them. You can't. Even here, you are much more outraged by Christians than Muslims, incomprehensible as that is to believe. It's how you have been conditioned. I know. I've been there. You are the product of a brainwashing that starts early in America and never really lets up. You are taught to hate Christians. You don't hate Muslims at all. You treat them as if they were little misbehaved. They aren't. They are so much smarter than you can possibly understand. They use you and you are too blindly politically correct to even begin to understand that Muslims hate you more than anyone. But they know they can use you first. You are their useful idiots.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 3, 2017 16:56:44 GMT
You say it is not ok to discriminate against someone's religion while you are discriminating against someone's religion. Which one is it? It is not discrimination against religion to prevent religious people from acting on their bigoted beliefs, especially since we know that bigotry isn't actually part of their faith--it's just something they use as a crutch to defend their hateful, disgusting beliefs. If all Christians were bigots, you idiots might have some justification for saying your bigotry was religious in nature, but since many if not most Christians aren't bigots, you lose that argument hands down. I single Christians out because they are the ones causing trouble in my country, not Muslims. They are anti-gay bigots, they try to push pseudo-scientific bullshit in public schools, and they try to erode the rights of women. When Muslims start pulling the same shit, believe me, I'll be on their cases, too. Ever heard of the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by one of the USA's founding fathers and passed through both houses of Congress unanimously without any debate? Of course not--you are an uneducated idiot. In plain English, article 11 states "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." Ponder the fact that most of the guys who voted for that statement fought, in some way or other, in the war for Independence. Nigeria, a Christian majority country who drafted such legislation with the support of American Evangelical Christians. As I said, when Muslims start causing the same shit you idiot Christians do in my country, I'll be attacking them, too. But right now, the only Muslims with any political power in the USA are all liberals, including one fellow I support with donations. Put that in your pipe and smoke it next time you want to entertain the ignorant fantasy that Muslims are the "polar opposite of liberals" or some other deluded nonsense.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 4, 2017 3:07:54 GMT
You say it is not ok to discriminate against someone's religion while you are discriminating against someone's religion. Which one is it? It is not discrimination against religion to prevent religious people from acting on their bigoted beliefs, especially since we know that bigotry isn't actually part of their faith--it's just something they use as a crutch to defend their hateful, disgusting beliefs. If all Christians were bigots, you idiots might have some justification for saying your bigotry was religious in nature, but since many if not most Christians aren't bigots, you lose that argument hands down. I single Christians out because they are the ones causing trouble in my country, not Muslims. They are anti-gay bigots, they try to push pseudo-scientific bullshit in public schools, and they try to erode the rights of women. When Muslims start pulling the same shit, believe me, I'll be on their cases, too. Ever heard of the Treaty of Tripoli, signed by one of the USA's founding fathers and passed through both houses of Congress unanimously without any debate? Of course not--you are an uneducated idiot. In plain English, article 11 states "the Government of the United States of America is not, in any sense, founded on the Christian religion." Ponder the fact that most of the guys who voted for that statement fought, in some way or other, in the war for Independence. Nigeria, a Christian majority country who drafted such legislation with the support of American Evangelical Christians. As I said, when Muslims start causing the same shit you idiot Christians do in my country, I'll be attacking them, too. But right now, the only Muslims with any political power in the USA are all liberals, including one fellow I support with donations. Put that in your pipe and smoke it next time you want to entertain the ignorant fantasy that Muslims are the "polar opposite of liberals" or some other deluded nonsense. Since you single out one religion without even criticizing another much more vehemently anti-gay religion, by definition you are discriminating against Christians. It's literally the textbook book definition. You don't care what Muslims do since you see them as an ally against both Christians and conservatives. And maybe the most ridiculous thing liberals push today is that they are this super-science loving group. This is the same group of people who swore we would see a new ice age in our lifetimes and then decided to do a 180 and swear we are all going to drown under the oceans as the icecaps melt! You are totally ridiculous. Instead of letting the data determine your conclusions, you start with a conclusion and alter the data to fit your 'hypothesis'. Which is assbackwards. And you would have to a total moron to not recognize that this country was LARGELY founded by Christians. You may want to pick up a few history books and this time read them. Nigeria? LOL Thank you for proving my point! Nigeria!!!!! LOL When is the last time a Christian shot up a gay night club in the name of Christianity? When is the last time a Christian beheaded a coworker at work in the name of Christianity? When is the last time a Christian committed any act of terror in the name of Christianity? When is the last time Christians attacked people for having a different ideology? When is the last time Christians shouted down free speech? When is the last time Christians rioted? But Muslims and you liberals have done those things, some of them repeatedly. I mean you are really dense. Do you not understand what is going on in Europe right now? I have relatives in Denmark and Norway and they are scared to even leave their homes because of the Muslim problem. People like you are the useful idiots for Muslims. Not just radical Muslims but MOST Muslims. This is the point liberals refuse to understand. Muslims believe women are inferior. If you go to a Muslim country and see how they treat women you would be shocked. After ALL the attacks in America and around the world by Muslims, you STILL find a way to treat Christians as the real threat. That makes you a fool.
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Post by faustus5 on Nov 4, 2017 12:43:49 GMT
Since you single out one religion without even criticizing another much more vehemently anti-gay religion, by definition you are discriminating against Christians. It's literally the textbook book definition. Sorry, pumpkin, you once again have no idea what you are talking about. What I explained to you is that my criticism is based on a) behavior, b) behavior in my own country and c) behavior directed at causing harm to my country's laws and culture. Idiotic Muslims are certainly doing bad things, but not in my country. It's idiotic Christians that I need to worry about, not them. Muslims are not attempting to harm my democracy. Christians are. When Muslims start doing the same crap Christians do in my nation, then I'll start speaking out against them. But you're so dense you don't understand that my focus is on behavior, not religion. What an ignorant moron. There was never a point in the entire history of science when a majority of scientists thought we would see a new ice age in our lifetimes. You just pulled this bullshit out of your ass. See what I mean? You right wingers are scientifically illiterate, which makes you threats against civilization itself. No, that's what you science denying morons do. That's a meaningless coincidence that only an ignoramus cares about. The fact of the matter is that the principles our country were founded on came from secular philosophy, not religion. This is why the people who fought to create our country supported a document that said that our country was IN NO SENSE based on Christianity. Facts are painful for you, aren't they? Actually, I proved my point, but of course you are so ignorant and stupid it went right over your head. Let me repeat it for you: a country run by Christians passed a law making homosexuality punishable by death. What this means is that unless you Christians are kept in check by secular laws, you will cause as much harm as Muslims do in countries where they also are not restrained. You're all the same. The fact of the matter is that according to the FBI's statistics, by far the most domestic terrorist acts or plots in the recent past have come from right wingers, not liberals or Muslims. If you disagree with this assessment, go argue with their data. Got it--your relatives are just as pathetic and stupid as you are. Car crashes and opioids kill many times more people in the US than Muslims. Meanwhile, Christians are struggling to undermine science education, women's rights, and the fundamentals of democracy. I'm smart enough, unlike you, to understand what a real threat worth worrying about looks like.
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Post by vegalyra on Mar 27, 2018 14:29:59 GMT
Nigeria is not a Christian country. It's 50/50 Muslim and Christian. The current President is Muslim. The North is Muslim, the South is a mix of Christian and Animist (trial religion). Nigeria incorporates some aspects of Shariah law into its legal code, particularly in those states of the country that are Muslim controlled (this includes the death penalty for sodomy and homosexuality).
This is a pointless thread but I had to clear up a false statement.
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Post by Deleted on Mar 28, 2018 0:57:13 GMT
Don't ban it, but don't read it either, imo.
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