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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 2:54:23 GMT
The first 4 DCEU does have an unfair advantage against the MCU first 4, I think it's fair to compare the DCEU and MCU from 2013-now, since 2013 was the year the DCEU started. The DCEU U.S. opening average is $130 million, the MCU (2013-2017) average is $122 million. The DCEU U.S. total average is $340 million, the MCU (2013-2017) average is $321 million The DCEU world total average is $777, the MCU (2013-2017) average is $884 million Also the MCU have 4 $1 billion movies while the DCEU does not. Also the average RT score for the DCEU is 50% while the MCU average score is 83% (85% from 2013-2017). Oh, and let's not bring up any Oscars. I know Suicide Squad won an Oscar, but it's still a piece of shit. Like any of that matters to someone who's out to spite me specifically. He'll just look at the grosses without considering the factors that went into them and just say the DCEU is winning to try bugging me. Little does lenlenlenlenlenlenlenlenlenlen know, it doesn't. The MCU is the dominant force in cinema right now, and the DCEU is just trying to play catch-up. He has to learn to live with that. Look, I think we all need to step back and calm down a little here. I wouldn't MIND it if the DCEU was doing better. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 3, 2017 2:55:29 GMT
Financially DC is matching up with Marvel on the same level. Not critically (except for Wonder Woman) bit it's making some serious change.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 2:55:44 GMT
Like any of that matters to someone who's out to spite me specifically. He'll just look at the grosses without considering the factors that went into them and just say the DCEU is winning to try bugging me. Little does lenlenlenlenlenlenlenlenlenlen know, it doesn't. The MCU is the dominant force in cinema right now, and the DCEU is just trying to play catch-up. He has to learn to live with that. Look, I think we all need to step back and calm down a little here. I wouldn't MIND it if the DCEU was doing better. And people like DennisReynolds, Tristan, DC-Fan, lenlenlen, poelzig, and their ilk keep me hoping it stays second to the MCU, where it belongs, forever. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 2:56:45 GMT
Financially DC is matching up with Marvel on the same level. Not critically (except for Wonder Woman) bit it's making some serious change. Not really. The MCU keeps kicking it to the curb. Ironman 3 beat MoS. Civil War beat BvS and SS. And every MCU film this year has beaten WW. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 3, 2017 2:57:24 GMT
The first 4 DCEU does have an unfair advantage against the MCU first 4, I think it's fair to compare the DCEU and MCU from 2013-now, since 2013 was the year the DCEU started. The DCEU U.S. opening average is $130 million, the MCU (2013-2017) average is $122 million. The DCEU U.S. total average is $340 million, the MCU (2013-2017) average is $321 million The DCEU world total average is $777, the MCU (2013-2017) average is $884 million Also the MCU have 4 $1 billion movies while the DCEU does not. Also the average RT score for the DCEU is 50% while the MCU average score is 83% (85% from 2013-2017). Oh, and let's not bring up any Oscars. I know Suicide Squad won an Oscar, but it's still a piece of shit. Like any of that matters to someone who's out to spite me specifically. He'll just look at the grosses without considering the factors that went into them and just say the DCEU is winning to try bugging me. Little does lenlenlenlenlenlenlenlenlenlen know, it doesn't. The MCU is the dominant force in cinema right now, and the DCEU is just trying to play catch-up. He has to learn to live with that. I remember mello said the DCEU was winning.  |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 2:59:46 GMT
Like any of that matters to someone who's out to spite me specifically. He'll just look at the grosses without considering the factors that went into them and just say the DCEU is winning to try bugging me. Little does lenlenlenlenlenlenlenlenlenlen know, it doesn't. The MCU is the dominant force in cinema right now, and the DCEU is just trying to play catch-up. He has to learn to live with that. I remember mello said the DCEU was winning. It is winning more Razzies. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 3:07:31 GMT
Look, I think we all need to step back and calm down a little here. I wouldn't MIND it if the DCEU was doing better. And people like DennisReynolds, Tristan, DC-Fan, lenlenlen, poelzig, and their ilk keep me hoping it stays second to the MCU, where it belongs, forever. Well, it's natural they'd try to turn their inferiority complex into a superiority complex. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 3:09:16 GMT
And people like DennisReynolds, Tristan, DC-Fan, lenlenlen, poelzig, and their ilk keep me hoping it stays second to the MCU, where it belongs, forever. Well, it's natural they'd try to turn their inferiority complex into a superiority complex. If things were the way they were in 2005, when the fandoms were actually pretty friendly, I wouldn't care which company was on top. As it is, a lot of people I won't name (again) on the DC side are just so aggressive, competitive, and obnoxious there's a sick part of me that never wants the DCEU to be good. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 3:10:37 GMT
Well, it's natural they'd try to turn their inferiority complex into a superiority complex. If things were the way they were in 2005, when the fandoms were actually pretty friendly, I wouldn't care which company was on top. As it is, a lot of people I won't name (again) on the DC side are just so aggressive, competitive, and obnoxious there's a sick part of me that never wants the DCEU to be good. Yes, they threw the first punch and refuse to own up. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to maintain our own dignity. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 3:13:00 GMT
If things were the way they were in 2005, when the fandoms were actually pretty friendly, I wouldn't care which company was on top. As it is, a lot of people I won't name (again) on the DC side are just so aggressive, competitive, and obnoxious there's a sick part of me that never wants the DCEU to be good. Yes, they threw the first punch and refuse to own up. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to maintain our own dignity. I admitted Wonder Woman was good (albeit riddled with wtf writing decisions). However, I will never know if JL will be any good, because I've sworn off Snyder films. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 3:17:03 GMT
Yes, they threw the first punch and refuse to own up. But that doesn't mean we shouldn't try to maintain our own dignity. I admitted Wonder Woman was good (albeit riddled with wtf writing decisions). However, I will never know if JL will be any good, because I've sworn off Snyder films. I'll see it for you then. WW restored a little faith for me, but I can't help but be worried that JL will backflop... |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 3:19:57 GMT
I admitted Wonder Woman was good (albeit riddled with wtf writing decisions). However, I will never know if JL will be any good, because I've sworn off Snyder films. I'll see it for you then. WW restored a little faith for me, but I can't help but be worried that JL will backflop... Of course, it'll backflop. Its directed by a man who refuses to give the characters meaningful dialogue while they're in costume, because it offends his delicate sensibilities. He's trapped in the 90s Dark Age of comics where every superhero is a murderer. He doesn't understand these characters and never will. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 3, 2017 3:24:52 GMT
Financially DC is matching up with Marvel on the same level. Not critically (except for Wonder Woman) bit it's making some serious change. Not really. The MCU keeps kicking it to the curb. Ironman 3 beat MoS. Civil War beat BvS and SS. And every MCU film this year has beaten WW. And Man of Steel outgrossed Thor Dark World. Batman vs Superman and Suicide Squad out grossed Doctor Strange. In 2016 the two DC movies grossed $1.6 billion on par with Marvel's which grossed $1.9 billion. Infact domestically the DC movies grossed more money. Wonder Woman has grossed over $800 million and in the same ballpark as Spider-man and Guardians of the Galaxy. Justice League will likely do the same. Taking off Spider-man which is a Sony movie. Then once again DC's two movies will likely outgross Disney Marvel's two movies at the domestic box office again. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 3:27:50 GMT
Not really. The MCU keeps kicking it to the curb. Ironman 3 beat MoS. Civil War beat BvS and SS. And every MCU film this year has beaten WW. And Man of Steel outgrossed Thor Dark World. Batman vs Superman and Suicide Squad out grossed Doctor Strange. In 2016 the two DC movies grossed $1.6 billion on par with Marvel's which grossed $1.9 billion. Infact domestically the DC movies grossed more money. Wonder Woman has grossed over $800 million and in the same ballpark as Spider-man and Guardians of the Galaxy. Justice League will likely do the same. Taking off Spider-man which is a Sony movie. Then once again DC's two movies will likely outgross Disney Marvel's two movies at the domestic box office again. Yes, Man of Steel, beat the lowest of the low hanging fruit in its competition. Is that even worth a clap? Only because they featured more recognizable characters and didn't have to compete with a Harry Potter movie. Civil War still reigned supreme that year, and didn't get any Razzies. Nope. You can't remove Spider-Man, because he's part of the MCU, regardless of who gets the ticket money. Nice try, though. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 3, 2017 3:30:18 GMT
Not really. The MCU keeps kicking it to the curb. Ironman 3 beat MoS. Civil War beat BvS and SS. And every MCU film this year has beaten WW. And Man of Steel outgrossed Thor Dark World. Batman vs Superman and Suicide Squad out grossed Doctor Strange. Yeah...but those movies all had DC's big guns attached (Batman, Superman, Joker). Dr Strange was a relative unknown. You have to appreciate the greater context that Marvel is doing as well as it is...using character most no one knew of until a while ago. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 3, 2017 3:54:47 GMT
And Man of Steel outgrossed Thor Dark World. Batman vs Superman and Suicide Squad out grossed Doctor Strange. In 2016 the two DC movies grossed $1.6 billion on par with Marvel's which grossed $1.9 billion. Infact domestically the DC movies grossed more money. Wonder Woman has grossed over $800 million and in the same ballpark as Spider-man and Guardians of the Galaxy. Justice League will likely do the same. Taking off Spider-man which is a Sony movie. Then once again DC's two movies will likely outgross Disney Marvel's two movies at the domestic box office again. Yes, Man of Steel, beat the lowest of the low hanging fruit in its competition. Is that even worth a clap? Only because they featured more recognizable characters and didn't have to compete with a Harry Potter movie. Civil War still reigned supreme that year, and didn't get any Razzies. Nope. You can't remove Spider-Man, because he's part of the MCU, regardless of who gets the ticket money. Nice try, though. Prior to Man of Steel, Superman's last two movies included a bomb and a disappointment, neither were good movies either. Thor Dark World on the other ha d was following the critically acclaimed The Avengers, one of the biggest movies ever and what it benefitted a lot from. So yes it does warrant a clap. Being recognisable is not a guarantee for success especially as Wonder Woman on her own across Civil War which was essentially an Avengers movie. Spider-man part be part of the MCU but it isn't a Disney movie and Columbia Pictures was the main production studio involved, not Marvel studios. So yeah at the domestic box office, in 2016 the two DC movies outgrossed the two Marvel studios movies and that might happen again. Could even be worldwide actually. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 3, 2017 3:58:35 GMT
And Man of Steel outgrossed Thor Dark World. Batman vs Superman and Suicide Squad out grossed Doctor Strange. Yeah...but those movies all had DC's big guns attached (Batman, Superman, Joker). Dr Strange was a relative unknown. You have to appreciate the greater context that Marvel is doing as well as it is...using character most no one knew of until a while ago. At this point it's more about brand name than the characters being well known which doesn't really count for much at all now. These movies are marketed heavily as being from Marvel. Like how Pixar movies are sold on them being Pixar and Disney movies are sold on being Disney, most of these Marvel movies are gonna make money just bring it's from Marvel. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 4:00:38 GMT
Yes, Man of Steel, beat the lowest of the low hanging fruit in its competition. Is that even worth a clap? Only because they featured more recognizable characters and didn't have to compete with a Harry Potter movie. Civil War still reigned supreme that year, and didn't get any Razzies. Nope. You can't remove Spider-Man, because he's part of the MCU, regardless of who gets the ticket money. Nice try, though. Prior to Man of Steel, Superman's last two movies included a bomb and a disappointment, neither were good movies either. Thor Dark World on the other ha d was following the critically acclaimed The Avengers, one of the biggest movies ever and what it benefitted a lot from. So yes it does warrant a clap. Being recognisable is not a guarantee for success especially as Wonder Woman on her own across Civil War which was essentially an Avengers movie. Spider-man part be part of the MCU but it isn't a Disney movie and Columbia Pictures was the main production studio involved, not Marvel studios. So yeah at the domestic box office, in 2016 the two DC movies outgrossed the two Marvel studios movies and that might happen again. Could even be worldwide actually. Yeah, and...? No really. No, Civil War was a Captain America movie. It just doesn't ignore the universe its set in. It beat BvS fair and square. Do not try to diminish its victory because it doesn't suit your narrative. Oh, please, people have been wanting to see Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in the big screen forever. It was a guarantee. Spider-Man: it still counts, and you may as well drop it because you're not going to convince it doesn't. Domestic box office is small potatoes. They one world wide, which is the true victory. Um, no, its not world wide. Guardians Vol. 2 and Homecoming patently beat WW in the world wide market. Point is, MCU is on top. Period. Your attempts at trying to make it look like the DCEU is the winner disgust me. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 3, 2017 4:02:36 GMT
Yeah...but those movies all had DC's big guns attached (Batman, Superman, Joker). Dr Strange was a relative unknown. You have to appreciate the greater context that Marvel is doing as well as it is...using character most no one knew of until a while ago. At this point it's more about brand name than the characters being well known which doesn't really count for much at all now. These movies are marketed heavily as being from Marvel. Like how Pixar movies are sold on them being Pixar and Disney movies are sold on being Disney, most of these Marvel movies are gonna make money just bring it's from Marvel. If Batman, Superman, and Wonder Woman's names aren't capable of putting people's butts in seats, BvS would have flopped. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 3, 2017 6:46:23 GMT
Prior to Man of Steel, Superman's last two movies included a bomb and a disappointment, neither were good movies either. Thor Dark World on the other ha d was following the critically acclaimed The Avengers, one of the biggest movies ever and what it benefitted a lot from. So yes it does warrant a clap. Being recognisable is not a guarantee for success especially as Wonder Woman on her own across Civil War which was essentially an Avengers movie. Spider-man part be part of the MCU but it isn't a Disney movie and Columbia Pictures was the main production studio involved, not Marvel studios. So yeah at the domestic box office, in 2016 the two DC movies outgrossed the two Marvel studios movies and that might happen again. Could even be worldwide actually. Yeah, and...? No really. No, Civil War was a Captain America movie. It just doesn't ignore the universe its set in. It beat BvS fair and square. Do not try to diminish its victory because it doesn't suit your narrative. Oh, please, people have been wanting to see Superman, Batman, and Wonder Woman in the big screen forever. It was a guarantee. Spider-Man: it still counts, and you may as well drop it because you're not going to convince it doesn't. Domestic box office is small potatoes. They one world wide, which is the true victory. Um, no, its not world wide. Guardians Vol. 2 and Homecoming patently beat WW in the world wide market. Point is, MCU is on top. Period. Your attempts at trying to make it look like the DCEU is the winner disgust me. It was a Captain America that could have easily have just been an Avengers movie where the focus was a bit more on Captain America than the last two. It had almost the entire Avengers cast in it. A huge part of the movie revolves around what happened because of The Avengers specifically. Yes it did beat Batman vs Superman fair and square. A huge part of that was because Batman vs Superman received a critical bashing. Spider-man counts in a way. It's not money that Marvel Studios has made. Therefore in a apples to apples comparison Warner Brothers two DC movies have outgrossed Marvel Studios two movies in 2016 and likely this year as well. They get a much higher percentage from the domestic gross, it's very important. No DC isn't bigger worldwide, it doesn't seem to have the same International appeal as Marvel's just yet. No DC isn't the winner. That wasn't what I said to begin with. I said DC was on the same level as Marvel and it is considering last year at the domestic box office and Wonder Woman made a similar amount to this years MCU movies. Yeah it came up a little short in comparison but it doesn't matter at all because it's still the most profitable of them all anyway and that's what actually matters. |
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