Here Kiddie, Kiddie, Kiddie...

Hey, it's not my fault that DC fans can't get over that Dark Knight wouldn't do as well in today's environment and that all they have to cling to anymore is a makeup award.

Then again...once Guardians 2 (or Thor) wins the VFX Oscar you won't even have that...pitiful, really.

The numbers are NOT adjusted for inflation. But neither were the Marvel ones.

Civil War: Yes, the Avengers were in it... for about five minutes. The major conflict everyone remembers is between Steven, Bucky, and Tony.

Spider-Man is going to be in Infinity War. He counts. Period.

No uses just the U.S. domestic gross (except idiots trying to bolster the DCEU's numbers). At the end of the day, people look at the world wide totals when discussing how successful a film was.

Only kids say "kiddie".


Fact. I'm an adult and I've never seen a single adult refer to something as "kiddie". I HAVE seen plenty of young people around ages 18-23 refer to light-hearted fare as "kiddie". These are young adults desperate to establish themselves as adults and thinking they can achieve said goal by "shedding" themselves of "kiddie" things. How do they do that? The same way most emos their age do: run toward "dark" and "serious" material as a way of showing how "mature" and "adult" they are.



Little do these young adults realize is that, as an adult, your taste in everything changes. You stop caring about trivial things such as "how will people perceive me for liking this?" Thoughts like those are thoughts that exist in the minds of very young people trying to establish themselves in the world and worried about criticism. It's the angsty age where everything is about image and cultivating your "adult" status.



Seasoned adults in their late 20's and above adopt a very different mindset. It's the "I don't give a sh!t what people think" mindset. Little do these very young adults realize is that, as a seasoned adult, we often crave a VARIETY of tones and themes and don't single one out as "too kiddie for me". Adults don't think that way. In fact, as seasoned adults, it's much more likely for a person to choose a light-hearted movie at the end of a hard workday or workweek. It's a way to "unwind".



For all those calling the MCU "kiddie", I've seen far more adults around my age (36) and even older than I did teenagers when attending them in the theaters. On the contrary, I see far more teens/early twentysomethings at the few nowadays horror movies I attended at theaters.



As seasoned adults, we embrace a VARIETY of different themes and tones. In my experience, I've seen many people in the 18-23 bracket embrace darker material more than any other form.



My point in all this? Only a very young person would bash a product for being light-hearted or proclaim it to be "kiddie". Adults--seasoned (been in the real world for several years, paying bills and such) adults don't think this way at all. We don't go around, calling things "kiddie" or "Mature and adult".



All this grasping for "grounded" and "realistic" CBM's...there is an old expression that basically says that: "Adults crave fantasy even more than children". And, it's true. Fantasy is a form of escapism. Only a very young mind has this constant "need" for an uber-realistic product all the time. Adults enjoy a BLEND of fantasy and realistic products. Children or very young adults have tendency to gravitate toward the darker, more serious and more "realistic" material because they have this idea in their minds that "fantasy is for kids"...but, what they don't realize, is that you reach a certain point in adulthood where fantasy becomes appealing again. When that point arrives, you no longer care how that fantasy "makes you look" to others. You appreciate it as an escapism from everyday life. As a more seasoned adult, a craving for constant realism becomes less prevalent because, at that point, you already know enough about the world to decide "Hey--I need a little escapism".



Now, that's not to say that seasoned adults don't want realism--we do. We just don't need a CONSTANT dosage or CONSTANT emphasis on it. We don't need it to define our lives/entertainment.



THAT is the fundamental difference between real adults and young adults still trying to establish themselves.



All that I think of when I see someone refer to something as "kiddie" is a very young person who is ashamed of their young age and only wants to be seen as older. And what I stated is something that a very young mind can't possibly understand until they reach that point in life...and most of us do. Those who don't become, well, manchildren.


That is all I have to say.

I'm 36 as i enjoyed the MCU and Deadpool as they are un-pretentious and feel like living comics.


Levity and maturity go hand in hand. The harder you try to force maturity and "seriousness" the more immature and juvenile your work appears. Human beings use humor even in the most dire of situations to deal with bad things, when a person is at their lowest they want nothing more than to laugh again.


When someone here compared Batman vs Superman to some humorless 90's grim gritty comics, Some of those '90s comics trying to be so dark to look "grown up" make me think of what it was like to be a teen-ager. Every teen tries to do their imitation of how they think an adult should be--wearing dark clothing, brooding, treating others like they're crap, posturing. Usually by the time you hit twenty Five you figure out that's not what being grown up is really about. If you don't, you're going to have miserable life when reality finally does hit you. And they are right, some did took the wrong lessons from Kevin Eastman's Ninja Turtles with Akira by Katsuhiro Otomo, Alan Moore and Frank Miller without understanding what made them successful comics in the 80s.


And here is a great quote by philosopher/writer of Narnia books CS Lewis:

Critics who treat 'adult' as a term of approval, instead of as a merely descriptive term, cannot be adult themselves. To be concerned about being grown up, to admire the grown up because it is grown up, to blush at the suspicion of being childish; these things are the marks of childhood and adolescence. And in childhood and adolescence they are, in moderation, healthy symptoms. Young things ought to want to grow. But to carry on into middle life or even into early manhood this concern about being adult is a mark of really arrested development. When I was ten, I read fairy tales in secret and would have been ashamed if I had been found doing so. Now that I am fifty I read them openly. When I became a man I put away childish things, including the fear of childishness and the desire to be very grown up.



- C.S. Lewis

They were in it for a considerable amount and the plot only happened in the first place because of The Avengers. Captain America, Iron Man, Falcon, Black Widow, Vision and Scarlet Witch all had good sized roles in that movie. It can definitely be considered an Avengers lite.

Spider-man is part of the MCU yes but Homecoming was not a Marvel Studios movie, it was not a Disney movie. It's not money that they are going to get. DC have had two movies, Marvel Studios has had two movies, Fox has had one movie and Sony has had one movie.

The US gross is the most accurate to make for a fair comparison. What really matters at the end of the day is profit.

Wonder Woman was a more profitable movie than Spider-man or Guardians of the Galaxy. It might have grossed less but it made them more money so it was the more successful movie.

Considering people set out to dislike Homecoming and Guardians, this isn't wholly unexpected.

Come now, you CAN enjoy both.

I WANT the DCEU movies to be good.

Far far more people set out to dislike Wonder Woman in comparison to those movies considering that it was following two disliked movies. People were ready from the start to believe it was going to happen once again.

Guardians 2 had it easy, it was following a critically acclaimed movie than it was a surprise hit. The opposite was true for Wonder Woman.

No they didn't make all the creative decisions. Everything was still all Sony and Columbia Pictures say. They decided on the casting and get the final word.

Wonder Woman being the most profitable movie of this year's superhero movies puts it on top. 

Profit is everything. Civil War may have grossed​ over $400 million more than Suicide Squad last year but that doesn't really matter because in terms of actual profit. Civil War only made a minor $35 million profit than Suicide Squad.

An Avengers lite made a small $35 million more profit than an original movie, that got bad reviews and featured mostly no named characters.