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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 25, 2017 2:24:50 GMT
Disney would water down age of apocalypse beyond recognition. Considering Age of Apocalypse was a crap storyline, anything would be an improvement. Disney gave us the total destruction of a world and a great people being reduced to scragglers on a single ship. Fox wouldn't have the balls for that. Same thing. Nah, it's different. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 25, 2017 2:26:08 GMT
This is nonsense, you do not understand the legal concept of ownership. Fox doesn't own the X-Men completely, they just have movie rights. I haven't seen any Fox logos on X-Men comics, toys, games or other merchandise. Have you? Hee hee hee... |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 25, 2017 2:39:25 GMT
Fox doesn't own the X-Men completely, they just have movie rights. I haven't seen any Fox logos on X-Men comics, toys, games or other merchandise. Have you? Hee hee hee... Nah, the logo is all over everything |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 25, 2017 3:15:05 GMT
This is nonsense, you do not understand the legal concept of ownership. Fox doesn't own the X-Men completely, they just have movie rights. Yes, and it's those movie rights which Fox owns that Fox can sell to another buyer. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 25, 2017 3:20:09 GMT
Fox doesn't own the X-Men completely, they just have movie rights. Yes, and it's those movie rights which Fox owns that Fox can sell to another buyer. No, if they try then they revert to Marvel. When Fox sells their movie division we'll see it happen. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 25, 2017 3:34:39 GMT
Yes, and it's those movie rights which Fox owns that Fox can sell to another buyer. No, if they try then they revert to Marvel. No, because Fox's lawyers wouldn't be as incompetent as Marvel's lawyers and wouldn't allow Fox to sign a contract that simply reverts their rights back to Marvel.
Like I explained to you many times already, at best, Marvel has a stipulation in the contract that should Fox sell to another company, Marvel has the right to make a matching offer first and if Marvel matches the offer, then Fox has to accept Marvel's offer instead of the other company's offer. But if Marvel can't match the offer, then Fox can sell to the other company and the X-Men and Fantastic Four movie rights would be transferred to the buyer.
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 25, 2017 3:40:19 GMT
Yes, and it's those movie rights which Fox owns that Fox can sell to another buyer. When Fox sells their movie division we'll see it happen. Unfortunately, that may not be true. A sale of Fox to a third party may not automatically revert the rights back to Marvel. A rights reversion is usually the result of a lapse in usage or failure to meet financial obligations (i.e., paying licensing fees). No matter how you look at it, Disney is going to have to buy the rights to the X-Men and the FF back from Fox. Fox's rumored asking price is $4 billion dollars. That is almost as much as they paid for Marvel itself. It just would be worth it. Looking at Disney's primary objective of starting their own streaming service, properties like the X-Men and the Fantastic Four don't fit into that goal. If anything, Disney likely was after Fox's library of content that could help populate their service at launch - Futurama, Buffy the Vampire Slayer, etc. cnbcmbr-vh.akamaihd.net/i/mp4/VCPS/Y2017/M11D06/3000669038/2ED1-PL-MartinDisney-110617_MBR_,17,13,09,07,05,03,00.mp4.csmil/master.m3u8?__b__=700 |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 25, 2017 3:42:42 GMT
No, if they try then they revert to Marvel. No, because Fox's lawyers wouldn't be incompetent
Yes, they would. The MCU just keeps getting bigger and bigger, now Fox can't hold out anymore either. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 25, 2017 10:27:35 GMT
Considering Age of Apocalypse was a crap storyline, anything would be an improvement. You just hated it because only mutants were leading the resistance and other marvel heros were written out. Destruction of Cairo was more shocking and more relatable since it was earth and not some fantasy land with no people left in it. Nope, theres a big difference. Hawkeye is underused, not outright wasted. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 25, 2017 13:41:36 GMT
You just hated it because only mutants were leading the resistance and other marvel heros were written out. That's part of it, if you're going to do an Event story you can't just ignore all the other characters. Look at Onslaught. But I found the whole thing silly in how they still had the same codenames and personalities despite their lives all being very different. The animated version at least gave us something unexpected like Logan being married to Storm. Ah, the disgust at actual comic elements showing. Truly a FoX-Men fans. At least Ragnarok didn't undo everything the way X:A did and/or ignore it. If they'd left the school destroyed or the world ravaged and make it clear this was a divergence and the 90s movie would some post-apocalyptic wasteland that'd be something. He's gotten more to do and more characterization in 3 films (and a Thor cameo) over 5 years than Cyclops and Storm have in 17 years. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 25, 2017 16:46:53 GMT
The opening scene where people are straight up crushed and burnt alive. Wooden arrow impaling magnetos daughter and wife through the chest. Magneto slicing through the cops necks. Apocalypse decapitating the thugs heads with sand. Apocalypse leveling a fully populated Cairo. Apocalypse breaking Peters leg in a close up. Wolverines weapon X sequence is the most violent one seen before Logan. Even Angels transformation with the metal wings from his bones is gory and brutal. None of these would be in a family friendly Disney movie. At least Fox can give justice to Apocalypses brutal unforgiving nature in that regard and not hold back. What did Ultron do, slice off some guys arm in the most unrealistic manner ever. You are describing a PG-13 movie as if it were rated R. I can do that with Thor 3. It features Hela impaling an entire army...including brutally impaling the Warriors 3. They also put in a scene where Grandmaster melts a character onscreen. Banner is shown falling and landing in a horrible way on the rainbow bridge. Pure carnage in all the battles. Fox would water that down for their PG-13 kiddie movies.  Only in a defense of the Fox failure would you see someone suggest that a lack of vision is a good thing and an excuse for ineptitude. I love the "the audience is stupid because they don't agree with me" argument. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 25, 2017 16:48:05 GMT
This is how weak the argument is. We actually know what Fox does with Marvel properties. They fail. They've failed with the two biggest X-men stories and failed completely with FF. We've seen them utterly fail with Dark Phoenix but of course the argument is "Lets see how this rendition of dark phoneix turns out". How many chances are you going to give them? Let me guess....you would condemn any failure by Marvel after one instance. We know what Marvel would do as well looking at their movies so its not just guesswork, its projection. X3 was a victim of circumstance with backstage problems in securing Singer/Marsden to finish his trilogy. If Fox where well prepared and focused then X3 would have executed a great Dark Phoenix story as all the setup was well established from Singers first 2 X-films. And the Dark Phoenix story in X3 was actually good for what we got, its just the fact that Kinberg wanted to forcefully inject the cure story line which congested the film especially when it was only about 1 hour 40 minutes. Apocalypse didn't ''utterly'' fail, it got mixed reviews. Stop lying. I know all the reasons for Fox's epic fails. There is a long list of reasons. And I also realize Fox took one of the greatest stories in comic book history and got "mixed reviews". Another example of how Fox defenders have to resort to spin to try and defend Fox's epic failures. Now a 49% RT score is described as "mixed reviews". We call that "rotten". Amazing! When it's Xmen films the RT score is "proof"...but you "don't really care about RT scores for Marvel". This is what happens when someone tries to defend Fox. There is no choice but to veer into illogical double standard land. Again..if you want to use RT scores (which you brought up) then that proves Marvel does a better job than Fox. It's not really close between Fox and Marvel. All you have here is a prediction based on Fox somehow changing their ways and Marvel somehow suddenly being unable to portray their own characters well for the first time ever. Marvel could actually do a mediocre job and improve on what Fox has done. I'm pretty sure Marvel would know Cyclops and Storm are main characters in the X-men and it's about more than Wolverine's drama queen angst. Again with the "real X-men fan" stuff. What real X-men fan would want all these Wolverine and Friends movies that have ignored Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Collossus, Ice Man, Angel, and Jean? That sounds like "real Wolverine fans" who not only are only interested in Logan, but also aren't interested in the comic version of the character. Obviously those "real fans" like Logan to be a male model instead. You keep switching from "Marvel" to "Disney". You seem to have some bug about Disney so you keep pretending these would be Disney films instead of Marvel films. No...Fox has made PG-13 X-men movies too. They aren't "pushing any limit" on anything or they would be rated R. The spin of Fox defense strikes again. Now that's good too. Your "fixed" is STILL a Fox fail. That's how bad Fox has been...even spinning it the best possible way illustrates how badly they've mis-handled the X-men franchise. |
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Post by coldenhaulfield on Nov 25, 2017 17:09:50 GMT
We know what Marvel would do as well looking at their movies so its not just guesswork, its projection. X3 was a victim of circumstance with backstage problems in securing Singer/Marsden to finish his trilogy. If Fox where well prepared and focused then X3 would have executed a great Dark Phoenix story as all the setup was well established from Singers first 2 X-films. And the Dark Phoenix story in X3 was actually good for what we got, its just the fact that Kinberg wanted to forcefully inject the cure story line which congested the film especially when it was only about 1 hour 40 minutes. Apocalypse didn't ''utterly'' fail, it got mixed reviews. Stop lying. I know all the reasons for Fox's epic fails. There is a long list of reasons. And I also realize Fox took one of the greatest stories in comic book history and got "mixed reviews". Another example of how Fox defenders have to resort to spin to try and defend Fox's epic failures. Now a 49% RT score is described as "mixed reviews". We call that "rotten". Amazing! When it's Xmen films the RT score is "proof"...but you "don't really care about RT scores for Marvel". This is what happens when someone tries to defend Fox. There is no choice but to veer into illogical double standard land. Again..if you want to use RT scores (which you brought up) then that proves Marvel does a better job than Fox. It's not really close between Fox and Marvel. All you have here is a prediction based on Fox somehow changing their ways and Marvel somehow suddenly being unable to portray their own characters well for the first time ever. Marvel could actually do a mediocre job and improve on what Fox has done. I'm pretty sure Marvel would know Cyclops and Storm are main characters in the X-men and it's about more than Wolverine's drama queen angst. Again with the "real X-men fan" stuff. What real X-men fan would want all these Wolverine and Friends movies that have ignored Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Collossus, Ice Man, Angel, and Jean? That sounds like "real Wolverine fans" who not only are only interested in Logan, but also aren't interested in the comic version of the character. Obviously those "real fans" like Logan to be a male model instead. You keep switching from "Marvel" to "Disney". You seem to have some bug about Disney so you keep pretending these would be Disney films instead of Marvel films. No...Fox has made PG-13 X-men movies too. They aren't "pushing any limit" on anything or they would be rated R. The spin of Fox defense strikes again. Now that's good too. Your "fixed" is STILL a Fox fail. That's how bad Fox has been...even spinning it the best possible way illustrates how badly they've mis-handled the X-men franchise. Nah, all the poorly constructed gibberish sentences you wrote are incorrect and embarrassing. And you're tryna debate charzhino? Sheesh. To modify something Apocalypse once said (you wouldn't have heard of him, he isn't a Z-list jabrone in one of your McMarvel McMovies): he is as far beyond the average poster as they are beyond you. You're WAY out of your league. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 25, 2017 17:34:35 GMT
Has anyone actually looked into this or y'all just talking out of your ass? The answer to your question is the MCU fans who claim that the rights revert back to Marvel should Fox sell are definitely talking out of their ass. Seems they're just as scared of Fox selling to another company as they are of Wonder Woman receiving a Best Picture Oscar nomination. I'll make it easy for MCU fans here to understand. Let's say Company A purchased licenses from Microsoft to install and use Microsoft Office on 1000 of their computers. Now let's say Company A is sold to Company B. Those 1000 licenses don't revert back to Microsoft. Company B now owns those 1000 licenses and can use Microsoft Office on the 1000 computers that they bought from Company A. Same with the movie rights for X-Men and Fantastic Four. Fox paid Marvel for those movie rights so Fox owns those movie rights. If Fox sells to a another buyer, those movie rights don't revert back to Marvel. The buyer now owns those movie rights, which Marvel already received payment for from Fox. So like I said before, at best, Marvel has a stipulation in the contract that should Fox sell to another company, Marvel has the right to make a matching offer first and if Marvel matches the offer, then Fox has to accept Marvel's offer instead of the other company's offer. But if Marvel can't match the offer, then Fox can sell to the other company and the X-Men and Fantastic Four movie rights would be transferred to the buyer. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 25, 2017 17:51:03 GMT
Has anyone actually looked into this or y'all just talking out of your ass? The answer to your question is No matter what, Disney wins. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 25, 2017 20:44:40 GMT
Fox are never gonna give the rights up to X-men, there's no chance of that happening.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 25, 2017 20:45:38 GMT
Fox are never gonna give the rights up to X-men, there's no chance of that happening. They're fine selling off their entire movie division though. That includes ALL their franchises, even the ones more profitable than X-Men. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 25, 2017 21:21:00 GMT
I know all the reasons for Fox's epic fails. There is a long list of reasons. And I also realize Fox took one of the greatest stories in comic book history and got "mixed reviews". Another example of how Fox defenders have to resort to spin to try and defend Fox's epic failures. Now a 49% RT score is described as "mixed reviews". We call that "rotten". Amazing! When it's Xmen films the RT score is "proof"...but you "don't really care about RT scores for Marvel". This is what happens when someone tries to defend Fox. There is no choice but to veer into illogical double standard land. Again..if you want to use RT scores (which you brought up) then that proves Marvel does a better job than Fox. It's not really close between Fox and Marvel. All you have here is a prediction based on Fox somehow changing their ways and Marvel somehow suddenly being unable to portray their own characters well for the first time ever. Marvel could actually do a mediocre job and improve on what Fox has done. I'm pretty sure Marvel would know Cyclops and Storm are main characters in the X-men and it's about more than Wolverine's drama queen angst. Again with the "real X-men fan" stuff. What real X-men fan would want all these Wolverine and Friends movies that have ignored Cyclops, Storm, Rogue, Collossus, Ice Man, Angel, and Jean? That sounds like "real Wolverine fans" who not only are only interested in Logan, but also aren't interested in the comic version of the character. Obviously those "real fans" like Logan to be a male model instead. You keep switching from "Marvel" to "Disney". You seem to have some bug about Disney so you keep pretending these would be Disney films instead of Marvel films. No...Fox has made PG-13 X-men movies too. They aren't "pushing any limit" on anything or they would be rated R. The spin of Fox defense strikes again. Now that's good too. Your "fixed" is STILL a Fox fail. That's how bad Fox has been...even spinning it the best possible way illustrates how badly they've mis-handled the X-men franchise. Nah, all the poorly constructed gibberish sentences you wrote are incorrect and embarrassing. And you're tryna debate charzhino ? Sheesh. To modify something Apocalypse once said (you wouldn't have heard of him, he isn't a Z-list jabrone in one of your McMarvel McMovies): he is as far beyond the average poster as they are beyond you. You're WAY out of your league. However, it is possible to set a satellite to uncover jelly bean recipes in a laundry basket. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 25, 2017 21:22:20 GMT
Has anyone actually looked into this or y'all just talking out of your ass? The answer to your question is the MCU fans who claim that the rights revert back to Marvel should Fox sell are definitely talking out of their ass. Seems they're just as scared of Fox selling to another company as they are of Wonder Woman receiving a Best Picture Oscar nomination. I'll make it easy for MCU fans here to understand. Let's say Company A purchased licenses from Microsoft to install and use Microsoft Office on 1000 of their computers. Now let's say Company A is sold to Company B. Those 1000 licenses don't revert back to Microsoft. Company B now owns those 1000 licenses and can use Microsoft Office on the 1000 computers that they bought from Company A. Same with the movie rights for X-Men and Fantastic Four. Fox paid Marvel for those movie rights so Fox owns those movie rights. If Fox sells to a another buyer, those movie rights don't revert back to Marvel. The buyer now owns those movie rights, which Marvel already received payment for from Fox. So like I said before, at best, Marvel has a stipulation in the contract that should Fox sell to another company, Marvel has the right to make a matching offer first and if Marvel matches the offer, then Fox has to accept Marvel's offer instead of the other company's offer. But if Marvel can't match the offer, then Fox can sell to the other company and the X-Men and Fantastic Four movie rights would be transferred to the buyer. I gotta thank you for this DC Fan. You know Fox has been a disaster when a person who hates Marvel characters and wants them to fail wants Fox to keep them. Your stance on this pretty much says it all better than anyone else ever could. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 25, 2017 22:57:40 GMT
Fox are never gonna give the rights up to X-men, there's no chance of that happening. I wouldn't go that far. Business is business. It's more accurate to say that Fox has no reason to give up the X-Men. All it would take to change that is money. Scabs, you should never say never again. Hee hee hee... |
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