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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 10, 2017 13:08:50 GMT
A Marvel X-men movie would most likely be like GotG... And thats exactly why no real X-men fan wants the property in Disney's hands. Nah, the only ones who don't want that are the FoX-men fans. The ones who hate every other Marvel character, the ones who aren't really Marvel fans.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 10, 2017 13:11:39 GMT
They hold up GotG as some sort of masterpiece in cinema that is untouchable. No one I've ever met says that, just that it's a wonderful example of how to take a bunch of D-Listers and make them A-Listers and do a proper ensemble piece. Stuff FoX-Men has consistently failed at.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 10, 2017 13:37:54 GMT
And thats exactly why no real X-men fan wants the property in Disney's hands. Nah, the only ones who don't want that are the FoX-men fans. The ones who hate every other Marvel character, the ones who aren't really Marvel fans. Yeah Im sure real fans would love to see Cyclops having a dance off with Mister Sinister.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 10, 2017 13:55:38 GMT
Nah, the only ones who don't want that are the FoX-men fans. The ones who hate every other Marvel character, the ones who aren't really Marvel fans. Yeah Im sure real fans would love to see Cyclops having a dance off with Mister Sinister. It wasn't a dance off, it was a distraction. Why do people keep getting this wrong?
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 10, 2017 14:55:19 GMT
Wow, is this fan fiction. silly comedy and cgi headaches stand for real characters that only kids love and will not care about in 5 years. the MCU is a joke, no one takes their movies seriously or respect their movies. Except for everyone. That's what happens when you put real effort into your movies. The FoX-Men don't, but the real X-Men do. Putting aside all of the bullshit reasons people have for not wanting the X-Men in the MCU, there is one solid reason not to include them. Simply put, it's too late. Too much MCU history has passed without us actually seeing a mutant. It would be odd if they suddenly appeared with some half baked explanation of where they've been all this time. For better or worse, and I'm inclined to think worse, Fox has cooked up its own brand of X-Men that deviates from the comics so significantly as to be its own thing. People seem to enjoy this alternative take on the X-Men. Why ruin their enjoyment? I say let the Fox-Men films continue and worry about getting the X-Men into the next iteration of the MCU. We have to stop looking at studios and start looking at brands. With the aid of two additional studios, Marvel manages to flood the market with their product nearly three times more than their nearest competitor. Next year, six movies will be made based on Marvel IP. Not even Disney could handle that kind of quantity under one studio banner. The Disney legal death machine is coming for everyone. With a mandate to compete with Netflix, they will need every bit of content and IP they can lay their mousy hands on. The recent acquisitions talks, though currently dead, shows us just how far the Disney's machine is willing to go. Fox holding on to the X-Men isn't about any great love of the fans. It's about money. I doubt it's going to take much for them to consider letting the FF go at this point because it's just not profitable.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 10, 2017 16:06:25 GMT
Want proof that Marvel can do better job? The Daredevil TV show. That TV show is better than the entire shitty Daredevil movie made by who else...FOX. So if Marvel can do Daredevil right, I guarantee Marvel can do the Fantastic Four right. Great example. We actually have that and Spidey as shining examples of how Marvel improves things and still this absurd "Fox is better with X-men" claim persists. It's gotta be based on fanboy bias. No way anyone can ignore this many red flags with Fox while thinking logically.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 10, 2017 16:08:46 GMT
I liked Covenant, but it definitely had characters doing stupid things. Not as bad as Prometheus, but it was definitely there. I was really disappointed in Prometheus. I thought I was going to love it. Well, it didn't actually do that. It promised to do that at one point, then it somehow became about "mankind's quest for their origins." Really? Interesting, because I thought the characters in Covenant were dumber. Well, to each their own. I think it was more a case of Scott not being sure about what he wanted Prometheus to be about. That last bit is probably due to Fox. Let Scott make an Alien movie where he doesn't have to include the slasher porn for Fox and it would no doubt be as big an improvement as it was when RR was allowed to make Deadpool his way.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 10, 2017 16:11:56 GMT
did a boy just say a good x-men movie will be like GOTG? oh wow....the ignorance is rich. Or....the real statement was that it would be about more than just Wolverine if Marvel made it. Obviously the tone of the movie would be different just like it's different when they make a Capt America movie.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 10, 2017 16:18:05 GMT
Wow, is this fan fiction. silly comedy and cgi headaches stand for real characters that only kids love and will not care about in 5 years. the MCU is a joke, no one takes their movies seriously or respect their movies. Lucky I don't have time to speak more on this nonsense..give me time. to sum it all up. no xmen does not fit in the MCU because mcu cannot take on the xmen source material properly. You may be confusing your minority view with how the public feels about Marvel. "Only kids love" (sure...just ignore the demographic info on Marvel movies) "will not care about 5 years" (just ignore that the MCU is now close to 10 years old) "no one takes their movies seriously or respect their movie" (nice fantasy) Again...the idea that ignoring most of the X-men characters while butchering some of their greatest stores is "doing a good job" is an amazing thing to watch in action. Pure fanboyism. Some are actually trying to twist Fox's many many failures into some kind of "win". Fascinating.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 10, 2017 16:24:12 GMT
A Marvel X-men movie would most likely be like GotG... And thats exactly why no real X-men fan wants the property in Disney's hands. Which is astounding. Apparently "real X-men fans" only care about Wolverine and have no problem with Fox ignoring or butchering Phoenix, Storm, Cyclops, Apocalypse, Rogue, Colossus, Sentinels, Ice Man, Kitty Pryde, and Deadpool. Also shocking to hear that "real X-men fans" aren't bothered at all that the epic Dark Phoenix and Age of Apocalypse stories were slaughtered by Fox. That's apparently what "real X-men fans" want? Pardon me if I doubt you claim. That doesn't sound like "real X-men fans" to me. It sounds like fanboys who are inventing "reasons" out of nothing. I don't believe "real X-men fans" only care about Wolverine for a second.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 10, 2017 16:25:19 GMT
did a boy just say a good x-men movie will be like GOTG? oh wow....the ignorance is rich. They hold up GotG as some sort of masterpiece in cinema that is untouchable. If the poster had said, Marvel would make an Xmen film like Winter Soldier or even Civil War, then that would be at least respectable. But GotG? Cant take anyone who says that seriously. It would probably help if you actually paid attention to what I really said instead of the Straw Man version which was invented afterward.
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Post by kuatorises on Nov 10, 2017 16:26:10 GMT
I liked Covenant, but it definitely had characters doing stupid things. Not as bad as Prometheus, but it was definitely there. I was really disappointed in Prometheus. I thought I was going to love it. Well, it didn't actually do that. It promised to do that at one point, then it somehow became about "mankind's quest for their origins." Really? Interesting, because I thought the characters in Covenant were dumber. Well, to each their own. I think it was more a case of Scott not being sure about what he wanted Prometheus to be about. Nobody was dumber than Fo and Fum in the cave with that alien snake or Meredith "I can only run in a straight line" Vickers. That was my point.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 16:33:19 GMT
Really? Interesting, because I thought the characters in Covenant were dumber. Well, to each their own. I think it was more a case of Scott not being sure about what he wanted Prometheus to be about. That last bit is probably due to Fox. Let Scott make an Alien movie where he doesn't have to include the slasher porn for Fox and it would no doubt be as big an improvement as it was when RR was allowed to make Deadpool his way. Is there any official word on what's studio interference and what's just Ridley Scott not being the filmmaker he used to be?
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 16:33:57 GMT
Really? Interesting, because I thought the characters in Covenant were dumber. Well, to each their own. I think it was more a case of Scott not being sure about what he wanted Prometheus to be about. Nobody was dumber than Fo and Fum in the cave with that alien snake or Meredith "I can only run in a straight line" Vickers. That was my point. That's fair enough.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 10, 2017 16:36:32 GMT
That last bit is probably due to Fox. Let Scott make an Alien movie where he doesn't have to include the slasher porn for Fox and it would no doubt be as big an improvement as it was when RR was allowed to make Deadpool his way. Is there any official word on what's studio interference and what's just Ridley Scott not being the filmmaker he used to be? Mostly just a feeling based on how Fox failed so many times with X-men and FF. The "Wolverine and Friends" thing extended beyond several directors so it wasn't their idea. Sounds just like Fox to step in when Scott was trying to make a serious and thought provoking Alien movie. I can see the memo now: "Needs more xenomorphs, blood, and gore"
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 16:43:53 GMT
Is there any official word on what's studio interference and what's just Ridley Scott not being the filmmaker he used to be? Mostly just a feeling based on how Fox failed so many times with X-men and FF. The "Wolverine and Friends" thing extended beyond several directors so it wasn't their idea. Sounds just like Fox to step in when Scott was trying to make a serious and thought provoking Alien movie. I can see the memo now: "Needs more xenomorphs, blood, and gore" I'd be inclined to agree if I thought any of Scott's other recent work was any good.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 10, 2017 16:43:54 GMT
Wow, is this fan fiction. silly comedy and cgi headaches stand for real characters that only kids love and will not care about in 5 years. the MCU is a joke, no one takes their movies seriously or respect their movies. Lucky I don't have time to speak more on this nonsense..give me time. to sum it all up. no xmen does not fit in the MCU because mcu cannot take on the xmen source material properly. You may be confusing your minority view with how the public feels about Marvel. "Only kids love" (sure...just ignore the demographic info on Marvel movies) "will not care about 5 years" (just ignore that the MCU is now close to 10 years old) "no one takes their movies seriously or respect their movie" (nice fantasy) Again...the idea that ignoring most of the X-men characters while butchering some of their greatest stores is "doing a good job" is an amazing thing to watch in action. Pure fanboyism. Some are actually trying to twist Fox's many many failures into some kind of "win". Fascinating. Strike a nerve, tell him that the only reason the X-Men movies did well for their time was because back in the early 2000s there was little to no competition.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 10, 2017 17:10:19 GMT
Mostly just a feeling based on how Fox failed so many times with X-men and FF. The "Wolverine and Friends" thing extended beyond several directors so it wasn't their idea. Sounds just like Fox to step in when Scott was trying to make a serious and thought provoking Alien movie. I can see the memo now: "Needs more xenomorphs, blood, and gore" I'd be inclined to agree if I thought any of Scott's other recent work was any good. I loved the Martian.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 10, 2017 17:16:13 GMT
You may be confusing your minority view with how the public feels about Marvel. "Only kids love" (sure...just ignore the demographic info on Marvel movies) "will not care about 5 years" (just ignore that the MCU is now close to 10 years old) "no one takes their movies seriously or respect their movie" (nice fantasy) Again...the idea that ignoring most of the X-men characters while butchering some of their greatest stores is "doing a good job" is an amazing thing to watch in action. Pure fanboyism. Some are actually trying to twist Fox's many many failures into some kind of "win". Fascinating. Strike a nerve, tell him that the only reason the X-Men movies did well for their time was because back in the early 2000s there was little to no competition. Even then the relative success was not very impressive. Sony blew them out of the water with Spider-Man in 2002. As much as Sony blew it later, they did start out having more faith in the source material and not being afraid of the costume. Fox would have no doubt put Spidey into black leather. I have to be fair and give them credit for taking a chance on X-men in the first place. That's commendable. But they have never fully committed to the source material. There is no time in the comics where Storm and Cyclops are minor characters. How any X-men fan could be ok with what happened to those two in particular is baffling to me.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 10, 2017 17:21:07 GMT
I'd be inclined to agree if I thought any of Scott's other recent work was any good. I loved the Martian. I skipped it after being disappointed by Scott on several other occasions in the New Millennium.
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