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Post by harpospoke on Nov 15, 2017 8:32:16 GMT
Well Supes is so dumb when Bats is around he would not know what direction the sun is in. He most likely buys the Avengers lunch at Subway and plays with a jump rope during the entire fight. Now you're just being silly. I know you're grieving over the Avengers dying though so I'll cut you some slack. I have to ask. Were those turd jokes worth it? While it's true that it is very silly what DC does to the other members of the JL every time Batman walks into the room...that doesn't change what happens. Those guys actually lose to Batman in a fight? Wow....that's sad. The only way the JL have a chance is to leave Batman at home so they get their normal intelligence back. Let him mop up the hall of justice or something.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 15, 2017 12:16:08 GMT
Does Vision even have a weakness? Maybe Flash could hit him when he’s in his hard form?
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Post by DSDSquared on Nov 15, 2017 13:07:47 GMT
Iron Man would likely face off cyborg & probably win as he has way more time in the suit. Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg. Cyborg's powers include the ability to hack into anything with an AI and control it. So Cyborg can easily shut down Iron Man's suit.Bats vs Cap. Cap has the edge being enhanced. Cap only has a strength advantage, but Batman is a better strategist than Cap and has defeated many stronger opponents. With all his strength and his shield, all it takes to knock out Cap is 1 Bat-smoke bomb. Even Cap's shield can do anything against a Bat-smoke bomb. Vision & SW vs Aquaman & Flash SW might have an edge since her brother was fast but she is likely throwing her blasts SW's brother isn't even fast enough to catch bullets in mid-air. SW's brother compared to the Flash is like a snail compared to a jaguar. The Flash is just too fast for Vision and Scarlet Witch to do anything.None of this matters because Superman and Wonder Woman would kick all of their asses. It is a dumb argument. Who cares who would win out of Iron Man, Cap, Batman, etc. All of them are pansies next to Superman. Of course the movies do their best to show Batman and Supes are a good fight, but let's get real. If there is no kryptonite, then the fight is already over. It is much the same with Black Widow and Hawkeye being on the Avengers. Sure, they are badasses as far as humans go, but the Hulk or Thor could accidentally sneeze and kill them both. I just want to see Hulk and Thor fight Supes and Wonder Woman. That would be the only drama here. I think Supes and Wonder Women win, but at least there is drama there.
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Post by scabab on Nov 15, 2017 15:10:59 GMT
I could see Thor probably besting Wonder Woman especially now after he powered up somewhat.
He's too slow for Superman though.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 15, 2017 20:16:43 GMT
Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg. Cyborg's powers include the ability to hack into anything with an AI and control it. So Cyborg can easily shut down Iron Man's suit.Cap only has a strength advantage, but Batman is a better strategist than Cap and has defeated many stronger opponents. With all his strength and his shield, all it takes to knock out Cap is 1 Bat-smoke bomb. Even Cap's shield can do anything against a Bat-smoke bomb. SW's brother isn't even fast enough to catch bullets in mid-air. SW's brother compared to the Flash is like a snail compared to a jaguar. The Flash is just too fast for Vision and Scarlet Witch to do anything. None of this matters because Superman and Wonder Woman would kick all of their asses. It is a dumb argument. Who cares who would win out of Iron Man, Cap, Batman, etc. All of them are pansies next to Superman. Of course the movies do their best to show Batman and Supes are a good fight, but let's get real. If there is no kryptonite, then the fight is already over. It is much the same with Black Widow and Hawkeye being on the Avengers. Sure, they are badasses as far as humans go, but the Hulk or Thor could accidentally sneeze and kill them both. I just want to see Hulk and Thor fight Supes and Wonder Woman. That would be the only drama here. I think Supes and Wonder Women win, but at least there is drama there. That's logical ...but DC comics are not logical. Batman can beat both Superman and WW. If they are weak and/or dumb enough to lose to Batman that means they stand no chance against Marvel characters with real powers. The BvS fight between Supes and Bats was an indication of how stupid Superman is. He routinely forgets that he has super speed. He falls for kryptonite gas.... TWICE. He forgets that he could have ended the fight in under a second in a hundred different ways. Just imagine what the Avengers characters would do to him. Apparently Supes would struggle to defeat Black Widow and Hawkeye.
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Post by DSDSquared on Nov 15, 2017 20:19:20 GMT
None of this matters because Superman and Wonder Woman would kick all of their asses. It is a dumb argument. Who cares who would win out of Iron Man, Cap, Batman, etc. All of them are pansies next to Superman. Of course the movies do their best to show Batman and Supes are a good fight, but let's get real. If there is no kryptonite, then the fight is already over. It is much the same with Black Widow and Hawkeye being on the Avengers. Sure, they are badasses as far as humans go, but the Hulk or Thor could accidentally sneeze and kill them both. I just want to see Hulk and Thor fight Supes and Wonder Woman. That would be the only drama here. I think Supes and Wonder Women win, but at least there is drama there. That's logical ...but DC comics are not logical. Batman can beat both Superman and WW. If they are weak and/or dumb enough to lose to Batman that means they stand no chance against Marvel characters with real powers. The BvS fight between Supes and Bats was an indication of how stupid Superman is. He routinely forgets that he has super speed. He falls for kryptonite gas.... TWICE. He forgets that he could have ended the fight in under a second in a hundred different ways. Just imagine what the Avengers characters would do to him. Apparently Supes would struggle to defeat Black Widow and Hawkeye. But he does not want to hurt or kill. If he did not hold back and went balls to the wall, Batman would die in about one second.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 15, 2017 20:44:44 GMT
That's logical ...but DC comics are not logical. Batman can beat both Superman and WW. If they are weak and/or dumb enough to lose to Batman that means they stand no chance against Marvel characters with real powers. The BvS fight between Supes and Bats was an indication of how stupid Superman is. He routinely forgets that he has super speed. He falls for kryptonite gas.... TWICE. He forgets that he could have ended the fight in under a second in a hundred different ways. Just imagine what the Avengers characters would do to him. Apparently Supes would struggle to defeat Black Widow and Hawkeye. But he does not want to hurt or kill. If he did not hold back and went balls to the wall, Batman would die in about one second. The Avengers would have that same advantage. Just put Black Widow up front and get Rocket Raccoon to take him out.
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Post by scabab on Nov 15, 2017 20:51:51 GMT
The Avengers wouldn't have Kryptonite to begin with so they couldn't really do much to stop Superman anyway.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 15, 2017 20:52:09 GMT
Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg. Cyborg's powers include the ability to hack into anything with an AI and control it. So Cyborg can easily shut down Iron Man's suit.Cap only has a strength advantage, but Batman is a better strategist than Cap and has defeated many stronger opponents. With all his strength and his shield, all it takes to knock out Cap is 1 Bat-smoke bomb. Even Cap's shield can do anything against a Bat-smoke bomb. SW's brother isn't even fast enough to catch bullets in mid-air. SW's brother compared to the Flash is like a snail compared to a jaguar. The Flash is just too fast for Vision and Scarlet Witch to do anything. None of this matters because Superman and Wonder Woman would kick all of their asses. It is a dumb argument. Who cares who would win out of Iron Man, Cap, Batman, etc. All of them are pansies next to Superman. Of course the movies do their best to show Batman and Supes are a good fight, but let's get real. If there is no kryptonite, then the fight is already over. It is much the same with Black Widow and Hawkeye being on the Avengers. Sure, they are badasses as far as humans go, but the Hulk or Thor could accidentally sneeze and kill them both. I just want to see Hulk and Thor fight Supes and Wonder Woman. That would be the only drama here. I think Supes and Wonder Women win, but at least there is drama there. Superman is a dunce and a terrible fighter in the DCEU. I don't see him as a clear cut superior to Hulk or Thor. Honestly I'd sick Vision on Supes and let the chips fall where they may. Thor and Hulk vs. WW and Aquaman would be a hell of a fight. The JL wildcard is Flash, but the Avengers wild card is Scarlet Witch. And I'm not saying they would matchup against each other, I'm saying they're the hardest to predict in a fight because their powers haven't been firmly established. She can throw stuff around and get inside your head and we don't know how fast he is yet. I wouldn't say either one of them can run the table but I could see either of them playing a significant role in the battle.
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Post by scabab on Nov 15, 2017 21:38:20 GMT
Superman is a dunce and a terrible fighter in the DCEU. I don't see him as a clear cut superior to Hulk or Thor. Superman might not be any Bruce Lee, in fact his actual fighting skills would possibly be worse than Thor's considering he's an actual warrior. But would it really matter? Superman seems to be stronger. He took a nuke head on and recovered in a couple minutes and he's ridiculously fast. Hulk and Thor are probably no faster than Captain America or something.
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Post by Rey Kahuka on Nov 16, 2017 0:38:01 GMT
Superman is a dunce and a terrible fighter in the DCEU. I don't see him as a clear cut superior to Hulk or Thor. Superman might not be any Bruce Lee, in fact his actual fighting skills would possibly be worse than Thor's considering he's an actual warrior. But would it really matter? Superman seems to be stronger. He took a nuke head on and recovered in a couple minutes and he's ridiculously fast. Hulk and Thor are probably no faster than Captain America or something. He recovered from the nuke because he's solar powered. So at best you're saying he can take a beating and keep coming. That applies for Thor and Hulk as well. Considering Thor's powerset as of Ragnarok, who knows how fast he is? I don't see a clear cut winner there. And I don't see anyone incapacitating Hulk. Besides, I said I'd matchup Vision on Superman, not Thor or Hulk.
These vs. threads are fun but it's kind of tough considering there are so many question marks surrounding the JL team. We haven't even seen what Cyborg (that name still kills me) or Aquaman can do. Judging strictly by what we've seen in the movies so far, I'd give the edge to The Avengers.
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Post by taylorfirst1 on Nov 16, 2017 16:55:00 GMT
I'm sure Thor can find some kryptonite somewhere in the universe. The collector must have some he can trade for. If Batman, Lex Luther, Metallo, Daximites, and pretty much everyone else in the DC universe can get the stuff then the Avengers can get some too.
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Post by scabab on Nov 23, 2017 17:17:16 GMT
So having seen the movie now. I'm more confident in saying that Justice League wins.
Probably a fairer match up would be the Justice League without Superman against The Avengers of which the Justice League could still potentially win just because of how much faster Wonder Woman and Flash are compared to the others.
Thor and Hulk vs Wonder Woman and Aquaman would be kind of interesting.
But seeing as just Superman himself kicked all the other Justice League members asses then there's really no way they could ever stop him. Infact they would be unlikely to even lay a hand on him at all.
Superman could probably beat all of The Avengers members just by himself.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 23, 2017 17:45:13 GMT
But seeing as just Superman himself kicked all the other Justice League members asses then there's really no way they could ever stop him. Infact they would be unlikely to even lay a hand on him at all. Superman could probably beat all of The Avengers members just by himself. Did we forget, “Martha”? Superman is easily stopped ... by someone with no superpowers at all.
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Post by scabab on Nov 23, 2017 17:56:05 GMT
But seeing as just Superman himself kicked all the other Justice League members asses then there's really no way they could ever stop him. Infact they would be unlikely to even lay a hand on him at all. Superman could probably beat all of The Avengers members just by himself. Did we forget, “Martha”? Superman is easily stopped ... by someone with no superpowers at all. Ok....that's in a completely different context that The Avengers wouldn't pull off.
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 23, 2017 21:10:26 GMT
So having seen the movie now. I'm more confident in saying that Justice League wins. Probably a fairer match up would be the Justice League without Superman against The Avengers of which the Justice League could still potentially win just because of how much faster Wonder Woman and Flash are compared to the others. Thor and Hulk vs Wonder Woman and Aquaman would be kind of interesting. But seeing as just Superman himself kicked all the other Justice League members asses then there's really no way they could ever stop him. Infact they would be unlikely to even lay a hand on him at all. Superman could probably beat all of The Avengers members just by himself. That is a problem. Which version of Superman will show up? Usually when Batman is around Supes turns into a moron but they actually let him be obviously out of Batman's league in JL. But Flash still suffered from Bat-syndrome. He actually tripped so Batman could have something to do. If the Avengers get to fight a Flash who can trip then he won't be that hard to beat. Mostly the Avengers just need to make sure Batman shows up so the rest of the JL turn into idiots.
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 23, 2017 21:19:50 GMT
This is the MCU and DCEU versions of the characters only.This might be a little too early to have been made but I'm sure I'll forget later so I'm making it now. If the Justice League and The Avengers for some unimportant to the thread reason were to cross paths and fought until all the other members were out of commission then who would win? Team Justice LeagueSuperman Batman Wonder Woman The Flash Cyborg Aquaman Team Avengers
Captain America Iron Man Thor Hulk Vision Scarlet Witch I know that's not all the members of the Avengers but it's to make it a fair 6 vs 6 comparison and they're the best 6 anyway. Batman can have his Batplane and Armoured Suit. Iron Man can also have his Hulkbuster Suit. I'd personally say that the Justice League would win because as powerful as Thor or Hulk might be, I don't think they'd stand much of a chance against Superman at all. Maybe Wonder Woman and Aquaman if he's of a similar level could be a match for them, Batman probably wouldn't be much use but I think Superman is just on another level. Even if by some chance they are as strong, they certainly aren't nearly as fast. Is this their movie versions? Latest incarnations? If so then Flash dies first. He may be fast but he keeps on tripping. And he never really does anything except push people around. The moment he trips he's done for. Next to go would be Batman. Compared to all the other people here he's the squishiest. I mean, Wanda is squishier, but she's capable of putting up TK shields strong enough to control bomb explosions. Then Cyborg goes. He's still unfamiliar with his abilities and doesn't seem to have any decent feats that I recall. He's not quite that fast or that skilled or that strong. Cap goes next. Everybody left is way more durable than he is. SW would probably be enjoying the protection of Vision. If she isn't then she probably gets tired at this point and her shields falter and she gets killed. It really depends on how well her teammates are able to keep the attention off her. She has ranged attacks so no need for her to enter into melee range. Aquaman dies next or IM dies next. They're both strong and tough in their own right but neither are up to par with everyone else on the list. IM probably survives a bit longer simply due to being more mobile. Now we're left with the heavyweights. Superman/Wonder Woman vs. Thor/Vision/Hulk. And if we're taking latest versions, I'm assuming this is god-mode Thor. Wonder Woman is fast but for some reason, people without superspeed don't seem to have trouble tagging her. Guys like Luddendorf and Steppenwolf certainly had no problems hitting her. And she doesn't have the strength or durability as the others in this fight. Her sword can be devastating though, and I can see her severely wounding Hulk. Thor is too skilled to be easily wounded and Vision can just go intangible. In the end though, WW's durability won't survive against the big hitters. Now it's only Superman. Hulk shouldn't be much trouble. Strong as he is he can't touch Superman. Thor might be troublesome because his AOE attacks can hurt Superman. Plus if he coats himself with his lighting aura like he did in Ragnarok, Superman won't be able to get near him without getting zapped. Still, I think Superman is tough and fast enough to eventually take out Thor. After that it becomes a stalemate. Superman is too fast for Vision but Superman won't be able to take out Vision if Vision turns intangible. Vision can try to catch Superman with a phased hand through the brain and Superman can see if Vision is susceptible to frost breath or heat vision. I doubt simply trying to pummel each other will work. That said, it should be noted that the Avengers have way more experience working together and that SW's telepathy can mess up anyone she gets her hand on, including Superman.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 23, 2017 21:54:59 GMT
Batman doesn't need to make some device to shut down Iron Man's suit. Cyborg can shut down Iron Man's suit. That's what Cyborg's natural power set is - hacking into anything with an AI and controlling. So Cyborg can easily shut down Iron Man's suit. The Flash would knock Scarlett Witch out of commission before Scarlett Witch can even do anything. I'm not that familiar with Cyborg but I suppose that would make him handy against Iron Man. Now that you've seen Justice League and you've seen that Cyborg can hack into anything with an AI and can control any electronic device or equipment, do you agree that Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg?
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 23, 2017 22:37:54 GMT
I'm not that familiar with Cyborg but I suppose that would make him handy against Iron Man. Now that you've seen Justice League and you've seen that Cyborg can hack into anything with an AI and can control any electronic device or equipment, do you agree that Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg? Cyborg will need to latch on to IM first, and IM has more than enough strength and firepower to make that difficult.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 23, 2017 22:46:17 GMT
Now that you've seen Justice League and you've seen that Cyborg can hack into anything with an AI and can control any electronic device or equipment, do you agree that Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg? Cyborg will need to latch on to IM first, and IM has more than enough strength and firepower to make that difficult. No, Cyborg doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit without even being in the same zip code as Iron Man. This was proven in Justice League when Cyborg hacked into the computer in the Batcave and told Diana where to meet him.
So Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit from anywhere and doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. So like I said before, Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg.
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