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Post by Skaathar on Nov 23, 2017 23:47:35 GMT
Cyborg will need to latch on to IM first, and IM has more than enough strength and firepower to make that difficult. No, Cyborg doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit without even being in the same zip code as Iron Man. This was proven in Justice League when Cyborg hacked into the computer in the Batcave and told Diana where to meet him.
So Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit from anywhere and doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. So like I said before, Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg.
Regular hackers can hack you from halfway around the world, but they still need a computer and an internet connection to do so. Cyborg has not proven that he can actually hack into anything through thin air. To have accessed the batcave, he would still have needed to connect to some form of computer, connect to the internet then from there hack into the batcave. He has not proven that he can simply hack stuff through thin air. And even if Cyborg could connect to the internet without a computer, that would still only work if IM's AI is actually open to the internet. If it's in a closed circuit then Cyborg would definitely need to physically latch onto Stark before he can start hacking. If Cyborg can get into any computer with but a thought then why did he have to plug into the batcrawler in order to control it? |
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Post by Hauntedknight87 on Nov 23, 2017 23:51:46 GMT
Who wins? Superman after he kills everyone!
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 23, 2017 23:57:26 GMT
No, Cyborg doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit without even being in the same zip code as Iron Man. This was proven in Justice League when Cyborg hacked into the computer in the Batcave and told Diana where to meet him.
So Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit from anywhere and doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. So like I said before, Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg.
You don't know how Cyborg hacked into the batcave. He would have needed to be on another computer, accessing the net, which would then give him a medium to hack into the batcave. He has not proven that he can simply hack stuff through thin air. And even if Cyborg could connect to the internet without a computer, that would still only work if IM's AI is actually open to the internet. If it's in a closed circuit then Cyborg would definitely need to physically latch onto Stark before he can start hacking. If Cyborg can get into any computer with but a thought then why did he have to plug into the batcrawler in order to control it? Cyborg doesn't need to be on another computer to hack or access the net. Cyborg's "body" IS a computer that can access the net anytime anywhere. That's why when Cyborg was sitting in a chair in his apartment, he was able to bring up Internet articles/photos about Batman and Wonder Woman. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 23, 2017 23:59:02 GMT
You don't know how Cyborg hacked into the batcave. He would have needed to be on another computer, accessing the net, which would then give him a medium to hack into the batcave. He has not proven that he can simply hack stuff through thin air. And even if Cyborg could connect to the internet without a computer, that would still only work if IM's AI is actually open to the internet. If it's in a closed circuit then Cyborg would definitely need to physically latch onto Stark before he can start hacking. If Cyborg can get into any computer with but a thought then why did he have to plug into the batcrawler in order to control it? Cyborg doesn't need to be on another computer to hack or access the net. Cyborg's "body" IS a computer that can access the net anytime anywhere. That's why when Cyborg was sitting in a chair in his apartment, he was able to bring up Internet articles/photos about Batman and Wonder Woman. Which is still not going to allow him to hack into IM's suit if IM is in a closed circuit. |
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Post by damngumby on Nov 24, 2017 0:20:08 GMT
Did we forget, “Martha”? Superman is easily stopped ... by someone with no superpowers at all. Ok....that's in a completely different context that The Avengers wouldn't pull off. Superman will always be susceptible to Kryptonite ... whenever the plot requires it. There is absolutely no reason the Avengers can’t get their hands on some and turn Superman into Super-pussy. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2017 0:24:00 GMT
Ok....that's in a completely different context that The Avengers wouldn't pull off. Superman will always be susceptible to Kryptonite ... whenever the plot requires it. There is absolutely no reason the Avengers can’t get their hands on some and turn Superman into Super-pussy. Hulk is kryptonite. /thread |
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Post by damngumby on Nov 24, 2017 0:30:09 GMT
Which is still not going to allow him to hack into IM's suit if IM is in a close circuit. How to defeat Cyborg - turn off WiFi. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 4:23:37 GMT
Cyborg doesn't need to be on another computer to hack or access the net. Cyborg's "body" IS a computer that can access the net anytime anywhere. That's why when Cyborg was sitting in a chair in his apartment, he was able to bring up Internet articles/photos about Batman and Wonder Woman. Which is still not going to allow him to hack into IM's suit if IM is in a closed circuit. The Iron Man suit isn't in a close circuit. It used GPS. To use GPS requires it to connect to the GPS satellites in space. If it can connect out, then Cyborg can hack in. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 4:25:11 GMT
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2017 5:04:20 GMT
Which is still not going to allow him to hack into IM's suit if IM is in a closed circuit. The Iron Man suit isn't in a close circuit. It used GPS. To use GPS requires it to connect to the GPS satellites in space. If it can connect out, then Cyborg can hack in. Except a GPS signal may or may not be in the same data medium as the rest of his suit. Similar to how a car's GPS device may or may not be connected to the rest of its electronics. Besides, what's to say that IM leaves his GPS and wifi adapters on when he's not using them? Even a low level security engineer knows better than that. Considering how intelligent Stark is I doubt he'd leave those open, especially when he goes to battle and doesn't need them. Plus: Ultron took over the internet and decimated Jarvis. If IM was truly hackable why didn't Ultron just shut him down when they fought? Face it DC Fan, you can't use a deus ex machina solution here. If Cyborg wants to hack Tony he'll have to get close and personal. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 24, 2017 5:14:26 GMT
The Iron Man suit isn't in a close circuit. It used GPS. To use GPS requires it to connect to the GPS satellites in space. If it can connect out, then Cyborg can hack in. Except a GPS signal may or may not be in the same data medium as the rest of his suit. Similar to how a car's GPS device may or may not be connected to the rest of its electronics. You can save your breath on this particular argument. GPS receivers ( < hint, hint ) only receive "distance from satellite" information. That's it. They do not receive any other info, and they definitely do not send anything out. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 24, 2017 5:17:22 GMT
Cyborg will need to latch on to IM first, and IM has more than enough strength and firepower to make that difficult. No, Cyborg doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit without even being in the same zip code as Iron Man. This was proven in Justice League when Cyborg hacked into the computer in the Batcave and told Diana where to meet him.
So Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit from anywhere and doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. So like I said before, Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg.
Cyborg is disqualified. Batman can beat him:  Imagine what Iron Man would do to him. A guy with real super powers. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 24, 2017 5:21:33 GMT
No, Cyborg doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit without even being in the same zip code as Iron Man. This was proven in Justice League when Cyborg hacked into the computer in the Batcave and told Diana where to meet him.
So Cyborg can hack into the Iron Man suit from anywhere and doesn't need to latch onto Iron Man. So like I said before, Iron Man has no chance against Cyborg.
Cyborg is disqualified. Batman can beat him: Imagine what Iron Man would do to him. A guy with real super powers. That particular version of Batman is in an "Iron Man" type suit. Please note that this new information does not negate your point. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 5:34:37 GMT
Considering how intelligent Stark is I doubt he'd leave those open, especially when he goes to battle and doesn't need them. 1st, MCU Tony Stark isn't intelligent. MCU Tony Stark is as dumb as the Hulk. Tony Stark: "I'm going to go on TV and announce my home address to the whole world but I'm not going to be prepared at all for when the bad guys launch a missile at my home. Moreover, I'm not even going to warn my girlfriend (who has no superpowers to defend herself) to stay away from the house for awhile so that she doesn't get in the line of fire when the bad guys launch a missile at my home." Either MCU Tony Stark is really dumb or MCU Tony Stark is so selfish that he doesn't give a shit about Pepper Potts. So which is it? Is MCU Tony Stark really dumb or just a selfish asshole? Also, Tony Stark: "I know Cap and Bucky are going to show up at the airport to hijack the quinjet to make their escape, but I'm not going to disable the quinjet by draining the fuel tank ore removing the engine and I'm also not going to set up any trap for them when they show up, other than calling a 15-year-old kid to come down from the roof." 2nd, Iron Man would be so worried about running away from Cyborg that he would lose focus and eventually Cyborg would catch him. Especially since Cyborg can also fly so there's nowhere that Iron man can hide from Cyborg. Wherever Iron man flies to, Cyborg can also fly to. Ultron took over the internet and decimated Jarvis. If IM was truly hackable why didn't Ultron just shut him down when they fought? Another example of bad writing in Age of Ultron. |
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Post by scabab on Nov 24, 2017 7:33:58 GMT
SkaatharIt's the most current version of characters from the movies yes. I mostly agree with what you said however General Ludendorff may not have actually been slow, it could just be a slowed down perception. Wouldn't Superman be able to get around the lightning if he can keep up with The Flash? Would it even affect him anyway considering he survived a Nuke? DC-FanId think that if Cyborg could get his hands on Iron Man he could shut him down. If he can tamper with the Mother Box he can do the same to Iron Man. I don't know if it would work otherwise with Iron Man flying about in the air though. Hacking aside, Iron Man and Cyborg are pretty similar but I think Iron Man would definitely beat him normally. damngumbyThere wouldn't be any Kryptonite in this scenario. They'd just be thrown at each other, they wouldn't know anything about one another. They wouldn't have time to prepare for anything. They'd just fight from the get go.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 24, 2017 9:18:45 GMT
Id think that if Cyborg could get his hands on Iron Man he could shut him down. If he can tamper with the Mother Box he can do the same to Iron Man. I don't know if it would work otherwise with Iron Man flying about in the air though. Cyborg can fly too so there isn't anywhere that Iron Man can hide from Cyborg. Wherever Iron Man flies to, Cyborg can fly there too. Hacking aside, Iron Man and Cyborg are pretty similar but I think Iron Man would definitely beat him normally. Cyborg has offensive as well as defensive capabilities (e.g. offensively, we saw his arm turn into a sonic cannon twice; defensively, we saw his arm turn into a shield when Superman used his heat vision). So without hacking, Cyborg's abilities are just as equal as Iron Man's abilities and it would be a draw. But the hacking ability is what gives Cyborg the edge over Iron Man. There wouldn't be any Kryptonite in this scenario. Then it wouldn't even be much of a battle. Without Kryptonite, the Avengers can't defeat Superman. Superman could easily defeat the Avengers by himself. |
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Post by damngumby on Nov 24, 2017 12:18:02 GMT
Well, hopefully they wouldn’t just rabidly attack each other like a toy box full of superhero action figures controlled by Sid from Toy Story.
If that’s the case, then they’re probably in a DC movie with the deck already stacked in favor of the Justice League.
A more “realistic” scenario would have a dispute festering for some time prior to the fight. Enough time to prepare to exploit Superman’s Achilles heal and eliminate him as a threat.
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Post by damngumby on Nov 24, 2017 12:33:14 GMT
Is MCU Tony Stark really dumb or just a selfish asshole?l He’s a brilliant selfish asshole. “Textbook narcissism? Agreed." He’s a complicated character. His flaws get him into trouble. That’s what makes him a much more interesting charactor than any of the Saturday morning cartoon Justice League. |
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Post by harpospoke on Nov 24, 2017 17:16:05 GMT
Considering how intelligent Stark is I doubt he'd leave those open, especially when he goes to battle and doesn't need them. 1st, MCU Tony Stark isn't intelligent. MCU Tony Stark is as dumb as the Hulk. Tony Stark: "I'm going to go on TV and announce my home address to the whole world but I'm not going to be prepared at all for when the bad guys launch a missile at my home. Moreover, I'm not even going to warn my girlfriend (who has no superpowers to defend herself) to stay away from the house for awhile so that she doesn't get in the line of fire when the bad guys launch a missile at my home." Either MCU Tony Stark is really dumb or MCU Tony Stark is so selfish that he doesn't give a shit about Pepper Potts. So which is it? Is MCU Tony Stark really dumb or just a selfish asshole? Also, Tony Stark: "I know Cap and Bucky are going to show up at the airport to hijack the quinjet to make their escape, but I'm not going to disable the quinjet by draining the fuel tank ore removing the engine and I'm also not going to set up any trap for them when they show up, other than calling a 16-year-old kid to come down from the roof." 2nd, Iron Man would be so worried about running away from Cyborg that he would lose focus and eventually Cyborg would catch him. Especially since Cyborg can also fly so there's nowhere that Iron man can hide from Cyborg. Wherever Iron man flies to, Cyborg can also fly to. Ultron took over the internet and decimated Jarvis. If IM was truly hackable why didn't Ultron just shut him down when they fought? Another example of bad writing in Age of Ultron. Gotta love that. When you find something in a movie that supports your view, it's valid. When you find something in a movie that doesn't support your view, it's "bad writing". Nice. But now you've got to address how dumb Batman is in BvS...and Superman still loses to him. Or does that not count because it is "bad writing"? As a Supes fan, I go with the latter. Terrible writing. Which is why I hate when Batman shows up...suddenly writers have to lose all logic to make him work in a world where JL exists. |
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Post by Skaathar on Nov 24, 2017 17:18:58 GMT
Skaathar It's the most current version of characters from the movies yes. I mostly agree with what you said however General Ludendorff may not have actually been slow, it could just be a slowed down perception. Wouldn't Superman be able to get around the lightning if he can keep up with The Flash? Would it even affect him anyway considering he survived a Nuke? Ludendorff may or may not have superspeed, but there certainly wasn't anything to lead us to believe he did. No sped up frames, no blurs, no slow motion to prove he was faster than everything else around him, etc. And even if he indeed had superspeed, that still doesn't explain why Steppenwolf was easily able to match WW. We know Steppenwolf doesn't have superspeed, otherwise he shouldn't have had such trouble catching the Amazons who had the motherbox and Aquaman shouldn't have been able to lay a hand on him. As for the lightning, in the bridge fight in Ragnarok, Thor's lightning was coating him entirely and attacking anything that got near. Doesn't matter how fast Superman is if the lightning is all around Thor. Superman will need to enter into that field if he wants to touch Thor, which means getting zapped... which will probably still hurt him even though I doubt it will knock him out. He can always use heat vision but I don't recall Superman using heat vision at super speed. I don't believe Thor can beat Superman, I just don't think Superman can beat him without getting hurt. Superman didn't survive a nuke. In fact, he would probably have died if he wasn't healed by the sun. |
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