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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 3:29:02 GMT
In just over 2 weeks, Ragnarok has already passed both Logan and WW at the international box office. And it has the second highest domestic opening weekend next to Guardians 2. And it dropped only 53% the second weekend. And it's still the highest rated comic film of the year. And it has a higher audience score. And it fucking rocks! And
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 3:45:04 GMT
Ok. I still think Logan is the best CBM of the year, though.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 9:51:52 GMT
Ok. I still think Logan is the best CBM of the year, though. It was good for sure, but I have trouble calling it the best because it has very little rewatch value. |
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Post by King Conan on Nov 13, 2017 10:04:37 GMT
The comparison with Logan is bullshit. Different movies, and different audience groups.
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 10:10:06 GMT
The comparison with Logan is bullshit. Different movies, and different audience groups. If we were talking total box office I'd agree, but the fact that it did it in about 16 days is still impressive. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 13, 2017 10:16:44 GMT
^^^ another prime example of sloppy reading comprehension/deliberate lying on arf arf's side and sloppy research on the article's side.
They do NOT claim it's the highest rated CBM this year (WW and Logan clearly ahead on official lists), they claim Thor3 is the highest rated MCU movie - which is a sad statement in itself - and then link this claim to an older article where Thor3 originally had 98% (which it has not anymore: 93% and 7.5 avergae rating).
Also, comparing Thor: Fragglerock to WW or Logan is like comparing Dumb&Dumber to Citizen Kane.
 
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:21:46 GMT
Ok. I still think Logan is the best CBM of the year, though. It was good for sure, but I have trouble calling it the best because it has very little rewatch value. That is true I havent rewatched Logan yet after my single viewing at the cinema. With Thor, I watched it 2x at the cinema. I think Logan is over-rated. Sure it was cool that it was a different style to the other superhero movies but not enough for me. Plus X-23 was also awesome. Problem for me is that it strayed too far from the source material. Double Wolverine was cheesy and underwhelming (Sometimes clones work (ie battlestar galactica ft Tricia Helfer), other times they dont). They should have had sabretooth come back for Jackman's swan song. The actual bad guy was underwhelming too, the scientist that is. Robotic arm guy didnt leave much of an impression either. The Wolverine story was better and had a pretty cool samurai villain at the end. Although Viper was god awful. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 10:23:17 GMT
Ragnarok appeals to family friendly audiences where little children can buy shakes and small popcorn. Logan was for more mature audiences so obviously it will have a lower market share.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 10:28:48 GMT
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 13, 2017 10:32:58 GMT
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Post by scabab on Nov 13, 2017 12:10:03 GMT
DC doesn't seem to have the same kind of international popularity as Marvel.
In the US it does but it's always been that way internationally. They don't make as much money in relation to the domestic gross as other movies seem to.
Like how Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman far outgrossed Doctor Strange domestically but the latter still made more internationally anyway.
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Post by miike80 on Nov 13, 2017 12:15:49 GMT
I don't know about rewatch value. i saw Logan two times and Logan Noir once. So.. 3 times, as opposed to Thor 3 that i saw once and it will probably stay like that
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 12:17:22 GMT
It was good for sure, but I have trouble calling it the best because it has very little rewatch value. That is true I havent rewatched Logan yet after my single viewing at the cinema. With Thor, I watched it 2x at the cinema. I think Logan is over-rated. Sure it was cool that it was a different style to the other superhero movies but not enough for me. Plus X-23 was also awesome. Problem for me is that it strayed too far from the source material. Double Wolverine was cheesy and underwhelming (Sometimes clones work (ie battlestar galactica ft Tricia Helfer), other times they dont). They should have had sabretooth come back for Jackman's swan song. The actual bad guy was underwhelming too, the scientist that is. Robotic arm guy didnt leave much of an impression either. The Wolverine story was better and had a pretty cool samurai villain at the end. Although Viper was god awful. Oh I'm glad Logan was made, although I think I at least somewhat agree with the clone thing. I would have rather had Daken there or something but it was fine.
My main thing was there's really nothing more to get out of watching it again.
I'd say one of the coolest aspects of something like the MCU is seeing a new development with a character and seeing an older film realizing that's going to happen, or that was what was going on the whole time. Watching the end of AOU now is a little different knowing where Hulk and Thor go. The same with watching the board room scene in Civil War when Ross asks Cap if he knows where Thor and Banner are.
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 13, 2017 12:49:14 GMT
DC doesn't seem to have the same kind of international popularity as Marvel.In the US it does but it's always been that way internationally. They don't make as much money in relation to the domestic gross as other movies seem to. Like how Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman far outgrossed Doctor Strange domestically but the latter still made more internationally anyway. Maybe this is a tad too unnuanced. MCU vs DCEU, I would say it's safe to say that DCEU has not the same standing as MCU internationally (including the lucrative children market), duh, they have actually only 4 movies so far and their films tend to be darker and more mature.
But I do not believe that Marvel is per se more popular internationally than DC. Superman and Batman are THE epitomes of Superheroes worldwide, maybe followed by Spiderman (with the younger crowd). Translated into videp games, TV shows, comic sales, merchandise and animated films DC can more than compete internationally with Marvel I believe, and the picture gets more complex.
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Post by DSDSquared on Nov 13, 2017 13:14:41 GMT
DC doesn't seem to have the same kind of international popularity as Marvel.In the US it does but it's always been that way internationally. They don't make as much money in relation to the domestic gross as other movies seem to. Like how Suicide Squad and Wonder Woman far outgrossed Doctor Strange domestically but the latter still made more internationally anyway. Maybe this is a tad too unnuanced. MCU vs DCEU, I would say it's safe to say that DCEU has not the same standing as MCU internationally (including the lucrative children market), duh, they have actually only 4 movies so far and their films tend to be darker and more mature.
But I do not believe that Marvel is per se more popular internationally than DC. Superman and Batman are THE epitomes of Superheroes worldwide, maybe followed by Spiderman (with the younger crowd). Translated into comic sales, merchandise, animated films, TV shows DC can more than compete internationally with Marvel I believe, and the picture gets more complex.
I always love DCEU fans who say that their movies are 'more mature'. Making the movie dark (color wise) does not make a movie more mature. Suicide Squad is silly. |
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Post by Tristan's Journal on Nov 13, 2017 13:30:56 GMT
Maybe this is a tad too unnuanced. MCU vs DCEU, I would say it's safe to say that DCEU has not the same standing as MCU internationally (including the lucrative children market), duh, they have actually only 4 movies so far and their films tend to be darker and more mature.
But I do not believe that Marvel is per se more popular internationally than DC. Superman and Batman are THE epitomes of Superheroes worldwide, maybe followed by Spiderman (with the younger crowd). Translated into comic sales, merchandise, animated films, TV shows DC can more than compete internationally with Marvel I believe, and the picture gets more complex.
I always love DCEU fans who say that their movies are 'more mature'. Making the movie dark (color wise) does not make a movie more mature. Suicide Squad is silly. They are all silly B-movies, DCEU and DC still tend to be darker and more mature than MCU movies. Just like the existential drama of Logan is darker and more mature than DCEU movies.
"Dark" does not refer to color schemes but narrative tone and themes; color is just the visualisation of the underlying tone and themes. The DC and DCEU films tend to be a lot darker, in the sense of serious and dramatic, than the average colorful MCU quasi-action comedy. There cannot be any question about that.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 13:41:42 GMT
Ragnarok appeals to family friendly audiences where little children can buy shakes and small popcorn. Logan was for more mature audiences so obviously it will have a lower market share. Nah, Logan took the easy way out by substituting blood and gore for actual plot. It was for "mature" audiences the way Friday the 13th movies are for "mature" audiences. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 13:44:16 GMT
Ragnarok appeals to family friendly audiences where little children can buy shakes and small popcorn. Logan was for more mature audiences so obviously it will have a lower market share. Nah, Logan took the easy way out by substituting blood and gore for actual plot. It was for "mature" audiences the way Friday the 13th movies are for "mature" audiences. Writing/directing a film that has serious tone and themes is harder than a comedy film like Ragnarok which requires little effort on actual narrative but uses low brow gags and simpleton jokes (evidenced by the report that 80% of the dialogue was improvised). So no Logan actually put in the effort and took the hard way to success. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 13:44:21 GMT
I always love DCEU fans who say that their movies are 'more mature'. Making the movie dark (color wise) does not make a movie more mature. Suicide Squad is silly. They are all silly B-movies, DCEU and DC still tend to be darker and more mature than MCU movies. Just like the existential drama of Logan is darker and more mature than DCEU movies. Nah, it was predictable from start to end. Which is fitting, seeing how the X-Movies were never able to really come up with any new plots after the first movie back in 2000. This being Jackman's last turn as Logan and the buckets of blood tossed at the audience was a good smokescreen though. There isn't much depth in DC movies either, just more delusions of eloquence. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 13:46:56 GMT
Writing/directing a film that has serious tone and themes Which Logan was not, it was wholly predictable. And its' "themes" were hardly earth-shattering. Making a movie all ages can enjoy takes real effort. People just rag on Thor because they hate color, they hate characters who have the full range of emotions, they hate CBMs that embrace their over-the-top nature and hate it when usual conventions are turned on their head (Thor finding his "inner strength"...and it still isn't enough). |
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