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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 15:39:32 GMT
Kids' movies tend to make more than R-rated award-worthy movies.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 13, 2017 15:46:12 GMT
Not necessarily, this is the best-reviewed Thor film of the 3, and this is a fact. A Thor film with a serious tone will feel too much like Game of Thrones. Which is a popular adult show so dont see the harm in that. At the end of the day its very simple. Feige wanted Thor 3 to copy the GotG movies because they made bank at the box office using their misfits light hearted space adventure tropes that would attract the widest audiences. For me, that is taking the easy way out and doesn't come close to the effort to make Logan. Logan was Jackman's last Wolverine/X-Men, so they had to make it more personal, and I loved Logan btw. This isn't Hemsworth's last portrayal of Thor. Besides, they already went with the Game of Thrones tone with Thor 2, and as I'm writing this, it's the worst-reviewed MCU film, and even had a GoT director directing, so from a creative business standpoint, we shouldn't try to do that again because that experiment didn't work. The Captain America trilogy and next 2 Avengers film and Black Panther will most likely have a more serious tone. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 15:55:44 GMT
Which is a popular adult show so dont see the harm in that. At the end of the day its very simple. Feige wanted Thor 3 to copy the GotG movies because they made bank at the box office using their misfits light hearted space adventure tropes that would attract the widest audiences. For me, that is taking the easy way out and doesn't come close to the effort to make Logan. Logan was Jackman's last Wolverine/X-Men, so they had to make it more personal, and I loved Logan btw. This isn't Hemsworth's last portrayal of Thor. Besides, they already went with the Game of Thrones tone with Thor 2, and as I'm writing this, it's the worst-reviewed MCU film, and even had a GoT director directing, so from a creative business standpoint, we shouldn't try to do that again because that experiment didn't work. The Captain America trilogy and next 2 Avengers film and Black Panther will most likely have a more serious tone. The humor has almost always been spot on and works even on multiple viewings where you aren't actively laughing at it anymore. The lines work.
It's honestly just a broken record that anybody still whines about the humor. As you said, there are plenty of films without much at all, (all the cap films, all the iron man films, hulk, thor 1 and 2, panther, and almost certainly Infinity War), and the humor in both Avengers films was absolutely perfect. I've never had a theater enjoy a movie more than Avengers 1. Ant Man and Guardians were joys to watch in theater with the audience.
It's just a cliché to complain about the humor at this point. It's been great! No clue what kind of person doesn't like it. I really don't.
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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 16:01:59 GMT
Actually, it's the other way around. Comedies are more harder to do, you need to put time and effort into each joke to get it right. Remember, if the audiences doesn't laugh, then you fail at the entire point of comedy . The comedy here was mostly improvised, little thought and effort. The jokes themselves show it, there nothing subtle or clever about most of the gags, they're plain embarrasing that only a kid would laugh to: Thor bouncing ball off window to be knocked down Thor screaming like a girl at guy melting next to him and getting hair cut off Thor bumbling around with Dr Stranges Ornaments Thor making light of the situation in the opening with Surtur, when waiting to revolve around the chains Thor being made look like a idiot screaming iam the god of thunder infront of Grandmaster Thor misplacing his elbow on the cupboard when listening to Valkiry Valkiry falling over during her intro Banner falling to a thud during his attempted transformation All needless, stupid, uncreative "jokes" and thats just the slapstick side of it. If adult audiences find those things genuinely funny, then Im losing hope for the future of superhero movies. There is humour in Xmen, just not shoved in your face every 5 minutes and demeaned to people falling over or bumbling around like cartoon characters. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 16:07:41 GMT
Actually, it's the other way around. Comedies are more harder to do, you need to put time and effort into each joke to get it right. Remember, if the audiences doesn't laugh, then you fail at the entire point of comedy . The comedy here was mostly improvised, little thought and effort. The jokes themselves show it, there nothing subtle or clever about most of the gags, they're plain embarrasing that only a kid would laugh to: Thor bouncing ball off window to be knocked down Thor screaming like a girl at guy melting next to him and getting hair cut off Thor bumbling around with Dr Stranges Ornaments Thor making light of the situation in the opening with Surtur, when waiting to revolve around the chains Thor being made look like a idiot screaming iam the god of thunder infront of Grandmaster Thor misplacing his elbow on the cupboard when listening to Valkiry Valkiry falling over during her intro Banner falling to a thud during his attempted transformation All needless, stupid, uncreative "jokes" and thats just the slapstick side of it. If adult audiences find those things genuinely funny, then Im losing hope for the future of superhero movies. There is humour in Xmen, just not shoved in your face every 5 minutes and demeaned to people falling over or bumbling around like cartoon characters. Dude, it's time to give it up. Whenever I'm in a theater for one of these, the audience is having an awesome time, and all of those moments you just mentioned are great. The humor for all of these even works on rewatches because the lines and moments make sense.
So just a friendly note. You sound like a broken record.
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 13, 2017 16:15:05 GMT
Actually, it's the other way around. Comedies are more harder to do, you need to put time and effort into each joke to get it right. Remember, if the audiences doesn't laugh, then you fail at the entire point of comedy . The comedy here was mostly improvised, little thought and effort. The jokes themselves show it, there nothing subtle or clever about most of the gags, they're plain embarrasing that only a kid would laugh to: Thor bouncing ball off window to be knocked down Thor screaming like a girl at guy melting next to him and getting hair cut off Thor bumbling around with Dr Stranges Ornaments Thor making light of the situation in the opening with Surtur, when waiting to revolve around the chains Thor being made look like a idiot screaming iam the god of thunder infront of Grandmaster Thor misplacing his elbow on the cupboard when listening to Valkiry Valkiry falling over during her intro Banner falling to a thud during his attempted transformation All needless, stupid, uncreative "jokes" and thats just the slapstick side of it. If adult audiences find those things genuinely funny, then Im losing hope for the future of superhero movies. There is humour in Xmen, just not shoved in your face every 5 minutes and demeaned to people falling over or bumbling around like cartoon characters. Improvised comedy is even more riskier. Going off script could jeopardize your movie. Deadpool had a joke every 5 minutes. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 16:19:10 GMT
Okay, I think this says it all... I bet you loved Ghostbusters 2016 too after they watered it down even more. It was passable. But the original was a classic and I've never heard anyone say it's "kiddie". |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 16:22:44 GMT
The comedy here was mostly improvised, little thought and effort. Actually, Improv takes more effort. "Don't look at the trap!" "I looked at the trap Ray!" Some guy takes a giant chainsaw thing to your head, like to see how you'd react. He's curious over an Earth Sorcerer's stuff. Doesn't want to show he's intimidated by a Fire God. Happened in the first movie twice. That's what happens to Drunks. Happened in Incredible Hulk. Poor humor. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 16:31:23 GMT
So just a friendly note. You sound like a broken record. [/p][/quote] I just found it troubling it goes against Thors persona. Imagine if they made Cap in the next film like Thor was in Ragnarok. And if Im a broken record then formersamhd is a parrot in human disguise. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 16:32:04 GMT
Logan was rated hard R for tons of blood shed. Of course, the light hearted/family fun film Thor 3 will make more at the box office. Don't you MCU/Disney fanboys understand that R rated movies make much less than safe PG 13 films? smh
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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 16:38:23 GMT
"Don't look at the trap!" "I looked at the trap Ray!" Not equivalent. One is slapstick the other is clever writing. Also makes Thor look weak. Thor is a god, I am not. Makes him look weak. Makes him look like a buffoon. Fair enough. At least this makes him look fearless and strong. Too bad later on he is more scared of hair clippers than Surtur. Then treat alcoholism addiction seriously instead of using it for laughs. Xavier falling down the stares on his first appearance in DOFP would have been silly. Poor humor.[/quote] Undermines his fear of turning into Hulk. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 16:40:32 GMT
So just a friendly note. You sound like a broken record. No it doesn't. He was laughing and smiling throughout the first movie as well. Seemed like the same character to me anyway.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 16:54:10 GMT
Not equivalent. One is slapstick the other is clever writing. Also makes Thor look weak. So double standard. So did getting Tasered and tranquilized. No one cared then. Please, if Deadpool did that you'd laugh. They did, it was a result of her trauma. No, it would have made him more pitiful. Then again Xavier got over 10 years of booze in ONE SCENE... He got over that fear as soon as he decided that saving innocent people was more important. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 17:48:59 GMT
Ok. I still think Logan is the best CBM of the year, though. It was good for sure, but I have trouble calling it the best because it has very little rewatch value. Really? I found the rewatch value to be very high. I've enjoyed it even more on second and third viewings. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 19:33:21 GMT
It was good for sure, but I have trouble calling it the best because it has very little rewatch value. Really? I found the rewatch value to be very high. I've enjoyed it even more on second and third viewings. I'm actually glad you do. But really, I saw it, I appreciated it, there just wasn't anything about it I felt a desire to see again. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 19:36:56 GMT
Really? I found the rewatch value to be very high. I've enjoyed it even more on second and third viewings. I'm actually glad you do. But really, I saw it, I appreciated it, there just wasn't anything about it I felt a desire to see again. Give it a try! A lot of times I'll watch a movie, and think the exact same- then, when I do watch it again, I find the opposite to be true. Example: I really thought I'd dislike Dr Strange on repeat viewings, but the movie grew on me instead. |
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Post by ArArArchStanton on Nov 13, 2017 19:44:57 GMT
I'm actually glad you do. But really, I saw it, I appreciated it, there just wasn't anything about it I felt a desire to see again. Give it a try! A lot of times I'll watch a movie, and think the exact same- then, when I do watch it again, I find the opposite to be true. Example: I really thought I'd dislike Dr Strange on repeat viewings, but the movie grew on me instead. I just don't have any interest in the X-Men series at this point though. One of the reasons I enjoy the MCU is every film has a strong sense of place within the larger context. I have no idea what or where Logan is within the X-Verse. Nothing built to it, and even if something comes out of it like X23, I have no concept of how that adds to any sort of a whole, so it loses a lot of potential interest. If the Wolverine series had at least been more fluid at least within itself I'd be interested, but that film is so isolated it just doesn't do much for me outside of being pretty well made. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 17:43:33 GMT
Give it a try! A lot of times I'll watch a movie, and think the exact same- then, when I do watch it again, I find the opposite to be true. Example: I really thought I'd dislike Dr Strange on repeat viewings, but the movie grew on me instead. I just don't have any interest in the X-Men series at this point though. One of the reasons I enjoy the MCU is every film has a strong sense of place within the larger context. I have no idea what or where Logan is within the X-Verse. Nothing built to it, and even if something comes out of it like X23, I have no concept of how that adds to any sort of a whole, so it loses a lot of potential interest. If the Wolverine series had at least been more fluid at least within itself I'd be interested, but that film is so isolated it just doesn't do much for me outside of being pretty well made. But you can still enjoy a well made stand alone movie, right? If you can only appreciate films that tie into a shared universe you're gonna be depriving yourself of a lot of great movies. Very few movies add to some "whole" outside themselves, and don't need to. Also, for me, it does tie in. I consider it the end of that saga personally. I'm not really interested in the new cast so I like Logan as the grand finale of the X Men series. That's how I watch it anyway. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 14, 2017 17:51:18 GMT
I just don't have any interest in the X-Men series at this point though. One of the reasons I enjoy the MCU is every film has a strong sense of place within the larger context. I have no idea what or where Logan is within the X-Verse. Nothing built to it, and even if something comes out of it like X23, I have no concept of how that adds to any sort of a whole, so it loses a lot of potential interest. If the Wolverine series had at least been more fluid at least within itself I'd be interested, but that film is so isolated it just doesn't do much for me outside of being pretty well made. But you can still enjoy a well made stand alone movie, right? If you can only appreciate films that tie into a shared universe you're gonna be depriving yourself of a lot of great movies. Very few movies add to some "whole" outside themselves, and don't need to. Also, for me, it does tie in. I consider it the end of that saga personally. I'm not really interested in the new cast so I like Logan as the grand finale of the X Men series. That's how I watch it anyway. The problem is that it's not the grand finale, it was never meant to be. They just didn't want to bother with any of the other X-Men (as usual) so they set it in the future and killed them all off so it'd just be him and Xavier again. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 14, 2017 17:56:48 GMT
But you can still enjoy a well made stand alone movie, right? If you can only appreciate films that tie into a shared universe you're gonna be depriving yourself of a lot of great movies. Very few movies add to some "whole" outside themselves, and don't need to. Also, for me, it does tie in. I consider it the end of that saga personally. I'm not really interested in the new cast so I like Logan as the grand finale of the X Men series. That's how I watch it anyway. The problem is that it's not the grand finale, it was never meant to be. They just didn't want to bother with any of the other X-Men (as usual) so they set it in the future and killed them all off so it'd just be him and Xavier again. Would I have liked a finale with the original X Men? Absolutely!! But they wanted to do a soft reboot. Whatever. X3 was technically the finale, I suppose. But in any case, Logan is a great movie and pretty good end for Wolverine. So maybe "epilogue" to the XMen series is a better term than finale. |
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