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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 13:57:11 GMT
Writing/directing a film that has serious tone and themes Which Logan was not, it was wholly predictable. And its' "themes" were hardly earth-shattering. Any film is predictable. But its execution is the diffucult part. Setting up scenes and characters which require dialogue and actual acting to create tension/emotion is much more artistic than replacing that with CGI action, jokes and gags. About 20% of Ragnarok actually seems well thought out the rest takes the easy way out telling jokes in every other scene, improvised of course. And Logan's themes were earth shattering. When is the last time you saw a superhero contemplating death and so beaten down close to rock bottom that he considers suicide. I dont see how that effort is superior to a film like Logan. More effort in creating better visuals yes. Not much else. Writing comedy for kids (not all ages) is easy. A lot of the gags are straightforward with no ingenuity, I could come up with better. They found it too difficult to continue the darker tone of The Dark World, so took the easy way out and made a straight up comedy. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 14:16:24 GMT
Setting up scenes and characters which require dialogue and actual acting to create tension/emotion is much more artistic than replacing that with CGI action, jokes and gags. Not really, Improvising is quite hard and can backfire more often than not. And improvised acting is still acting. As for CGI...you NEED that sort of stuff for Asgard and Sakaar. [quote[And Logan's themes were earth shattering. When is the last time you saw a superhero contemplating death and so beaten down close to rock bottom that he considers suicide.[/quote] Thor himself in his first movie, when Loki came and lied to him about Odin being dead and him being banished forever. He looked suicidal and didn't need to say anything about it. Logan himself got over any suicidal feelings he had pretty fast, although it was obvious he was going to die in the end anyways. Good thing Ragnarok's was for all ages then. It's an action-comedy, just like Ghostbusters was a horror-comedy....despite, you know, also being about the potential end of the world. |
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Post by King Conan on Nov 13, 2017 14:23:49 GMT
@charzino
Don't waste your time with him. He's just a little maninstream boy, not older than 20 , who don't like adult movies.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 14:26:09 GMT
@charzino Don't waste your time with him. He's just a little maninstream boy, not older than 20 , who don't like adult movies. Your idea of "adult" is more in line with an 80s Slasher flick. |
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Post by Deleted on Nov 13, 2017 14:26:44 GMT
Ok. I still think Logan is the best CBM of the year, though. It was good for sure, but I have trouble calling it the best because it has very little rewatch value. I don’t even think it was good myself tbh. |
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Post by King Conan on Nov 13, 2017 14:41:26 GMT
@charzino Don't waste your time with him. He's just a little maninstream boy, not older than 20 , who don't like adult movies. Your idea of "adult" is more in line with an 80s Slasher flick. Bullshit as always. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 14:45:59 GMT
Your idea of "adult" is more in line with an 80s Slasher flick. Bullshit as always. Nah, you just seem to think that tossing buckets of gore and blood at the audience can make up not having much of a plot. That's a Slasher flick. Remember that discussion about R Rated Spider-Man? |
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Post by King Conan on Nov 13, 2017 14:52:58 GMT
1. I have already said, i'm not a big fan of horror movies
2. You never watched any Rated-R action movies right.
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 15:05:03 GMT
1. I have already said, i'm not a big fan of horror movies 2. You never watched any Rated-R action movies right. Sure I have, I love the John Wick movies. But I've also seen how terrible they can get too. Case in point, Sylvester Stallone's Cobra. I also didn't think that the Jason Momoa Conan movie was all that great compared to the Arnold original (it was about on par with Conan the Destroyer though). |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 15:07:50 GMT
Leave him to his kiddy fantasy movies where the hero is never in any danger.
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Post by King Conan on Nov 13, 2017 15:13:05 GMT
1. I have already said, i'm not a big fan of horror movies 2. You never watched any Rated-R action movies right. Sure I have, I love the John Wick movies. But I've also seen how terrible they can get too. Case in point, Sylvester Stallone's Cobra. I also didn't think that the Jason Momoa Conan movie was all that great compared to the Arnold original (it was about on par with Conan the Destroyer though). Then you can maybe understand, why i have a problem with PG-13 movies, especially action movies. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 15:18:05 GMT
It's an action-comedy, just like Ghostbusters was a horror-comedy....despite, you know, also being about the potential end of the world. Ghostbusters is a kids movie. I expect more from films like Thor. Theres no need for Ghostbuster level comedy, you lose the spectacle and intensity of the grander vision. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 13, 2017 15:21:38 GMT
Maybe this is a tad too unnuanced. MCU vs DCEU, I would say it's safe to say that DCEU has not the same standing as MCU internationally (including the lucrative children market), duh, they have actually only 4 movies so far and their films tend to be darker and more mature.
But I do not believe that Marvel is per se more popular internationally than DC. Superman and Batman are THE epitomes of Superheroes worldwide, maybe followed by Spiderman (with the younger crowd). Translated into comic sales, merchandise, animated films, TV shows DC can more than compete internationally with Marvel I believe, and the picture gets more complex.
I always love DCEU fans who say that their movies are 'more mature'. Making the movie dark (color wise) does not make a movie more mature. Suicide Squad is silly. Because "Martha!" is so mature, right? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 15:26:03 GMT
It's an action-comedy, just like Ghostbusters was a horror-comedy....despite, you know, also being about the potential end of the world. Okay, I think this says it all... |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 13, 2017 15:26:50 GMT
Sure I have, I love the John Wick movies. But I've also seen how terrible they can get too. Case in point, Sylvester Stallone's Cobra. I also didn't think that the Jason Momoa Conan movie was all that great compared to the Arnold original (it was about on par with Conan the Destroyer though). Then you can maybe understand, why i have a problem with PG-13 movies, especially action movies. Jaws was a PG movie, you saying it's bad for not being R? |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 15:29:28 GMT
Ghostbusters is a kids movie. Okay, I think this says it all... I bet you loved Ghostbusters 2016 too after they watered it down even more. |
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Post by miike80 on Nov 13, 2017 15:29:37 GMT
Then you can maybe understand, why i have a problem with PG-13 movies, especially action movies. Jaws was a PG movie, you saying it's bad for not being R? That's right. also i don't it will have a chance to get a PG rating nowadays |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 13, 2017 15:31:17 GMT
It's an action-comedy, just like Ghostbusters was a horror-comedy....despite, you know, also being about the potential end of the world. Ghostbusters is a kids movie. I expect more from films like Thor. Theres no need for Ghostbuster level comedy, you lose the spectacle and intensity of the grander vision. Not necessarily, this is the best-reviewed Thor film of the 3, and this is a fact. A Thor film with a serious tone will feel too much like Game of Thrones. |
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Post by charzhino on Nov 13, 2017 15:37:11 GMT
Ghostbusters is a kids movie. I expect more from films like Thor. Theres no need for Ghostbuster level comedy, you lose the spectacle and intensity of the grander vision. Not necessarily, this is the best-reviewed Thor film of the 3, and this is a fact. A Thor film with a serious tone will feel too much like Game of Thrones. Which is a popular adult show so dont see the harm in that. At the end of the day its very simple. Feige wanted Thor 3 to copy the GotG movies because they made bank at the box office using their misfits light hearted space adventure tropes that would attract the widest audiences. For me, that is taking the easy way out and doesn't come close to the effort to make Logan. |
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Post by justanaveragejoe on Nov 13, 2017 15:38:40 GMT
Nah, Logan took the easy way out by substituting blood and gore for actual plot. It was for "mature" audiences the way Friday the 13th movies are for "mature" audiences. Writing/directing a film that has serious tone and themes is harder than a comedy film like Ragnarok which requires little effort on actual narrative but uses low brow gags and simpleton jokes (evidenced by the report that 80% of the dialogue was improvised). So no Logan actually put in the effort and took the hard way to success. Actually, it's the other way around. Comedies are more harder to do, you need to put time and effort into each joke to get it right. Remember, if the audiences doesn't laugh, then you fail at the entire point of comedy. What you DC/X-Men fans don't understand is that the comedy in the MCU makes the characters more relatable, and their humor is more situiational humor. That alone makes it funny because life in general can be funny. Ever had a friend who was always the clown in your group? He/she would be an excellent fit in the MCU. Oh wait, X-Men fans should get it, because DEADPOOL was a comedy with low brow humor, fart jokes and sex jokes galore. Or is it only ok when Fox does it? |
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