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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 21, 2017 3:23:27 GMT
you do need to remind audiences why they love and care about the character - Spider-Man: Homecoming accomplishes this goal No, SMH fails at that. The reason people love and care about the character is because despite his superpowers, he had everyday problems that ordinary people have and can relate to. In Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2, Peter has relationship problems with Mary Jane, he's struggling to maintain his grades in school, his boss at work is a big jerk, and Aunt May is struggling to pay the mortgage. Those are all problems that most ordinary people have had at one time or another so we can relate to that. In SMH, Peter gets invited to parties, has a date for the Homecoming Dance, is on the school's Academic Decathlon team (which means he's doing very well in school in order to be selected on the team), and Aunt May gets free meals in restaurants. Peter doesn't have any of the problems that most ordinary people have and Peter's only problem in SMH is "Why won't Happy Hogan call me back?" We love and care about Peter in Spider-Man and Spider-Man 2 because he has the same kind of everyday problems that most ordinary people have so we can relate to that. But we don't love or care about Peter in SMH because he has no problems and he's nothing but an immature show-off who's only motivation for being a hero is to impress Tony Stark, which is a shallow reason to be a hero. Maybe you should make another thread where you provide a credible explanation for Wonder Woman turning her back on mankind for 100 years. I don't need to provide an explanation because it's already been explained: 1) at the end of Wonder Woman when she says: "I used to want to save the world. To end war and bring peace to Mankind. But then I glimpsed the darkness that lives within their light. I learned that inside every one of them, there will always be both. A choice each must make for themselves. Something no hero will ever defeat. So now I know that only love can truly save the world. So, I stay, I fight, and I give, for the world I know can be.2) in Justice League, when Wonder Woman and Batman had the conversation about her fighting from the shadows and not openly in the light. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 21, 2017 3:24:26 GMT
And if we complain to Scabab, he'll do nothing, as usual. You want to complain because someone has an opinion of an MCU movie that isn't 100% positive? |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 21, 2017 3:27:35 GMT
Theres nothing wrong with DC-fans claim of SMH being the worst Spiderman adaptation to date. Its perfectly reasonable. That's typical of most MCU fans. They can't handle anyone having an opinion of MCU movies that isn't 100% positive.
Also, the hypocrisy of most MCU fans. They claim that Fox butchered many of the X-Men characters, yet they say SMH is the best Spider-Man movie even though SMH completely butchered Marvel's flagship character Spider-Man by turning him into an immature and shallow show-off whose only motivation for being a hero is to try to impress Tony Stark.
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 21, 2017 3:31:10 GMT
I don't get this controversy over Aunt May being younger. I have a Aunt that's in her 40's! How is this unrealistic?! I'm not talking about whether or not that's realistic. I'm talking about MCU fans claiming that SMH is the most faithful adaptation of the comic books, but in the comic books Aunt May was an elderly woman and didn't get free meals in restaurants. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 3:39:45 GMT
No, SMH fails at that. The reason people love and care about the character is because despite his superpowers, he had everyday problems that ordinary people have and can relate to. Which he has. Mainly because of contrived idiocy, not because of anything else. In University, never as a High School Student. MCU Spidey isn't there yet. He's too young to be working yet, and he and May have already left their house for a smaller apartment which is the sensible thing to do instead of stay in a home they can't afford. All of which line up with his High School life from the comics. ONE free meal. We had no alternatives. Yes, you do. Even Patty Jenkins thought it was dumb and wants to retcon it. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 3:43:20 GMT
I don't get this controversy over Aunt May being younger. I have a Aunt that's in her 40's! How is this unrealistic?! I'm not talking about whether or not that's realistic. I'm talking about MCU fans claiming that SMH is the most faithful adaptation of the comic books, but in the comic books Aunt May was an elderly woman and didn't get free meals in restaurants. Martha Kent was an elderly woman in the comics too, not Diane Lane. |
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 21, 2017 4:25:12 GMT
I don't get this controversy over Aunt May being younger. I have a Aunt that's in her 40's! How is this unrealistic?! I'm not talking about whether or not that's realistic. I'm talking about MCU fans claiming that SMH is the most faithful adaptation of the comic books, but in the comic books Aunt May was an elderly woman and didn't get free meals in restaurants. So? Its something different because the Raimi series and the Amazing Spider-Man series did it already. Nothing wrong with tweaking a few plot points and characters, but overall, May still fulfills everything about the character and her relationship with Peter, same with Flash. He's still the douche and bully to Peter. The film has its own identity while remaining faithful to characterizations regardless if you like it or not. Lois Lane isn't usual older than Superman, but Amy Adams is 10 years older than Henry Cavill, and it's noticeable. I don't mean that in a bad way either about Adams, but you can really see the age difference between her and Cavill. |
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Post by DC-Fan on Nov 21, 2017 4:32:37 GMT
I'm not talking about whether or not that's realistic. I'm talking about MCU fans claiming that SMH is the most faithful adaptation of the comic books, but in the comic books Aunt May was an elderly woman and didn't get free meals in restaurants. Lois Lane isn't usual older than Superman Yes, she is. Margot Kidder was older than Christopher Reeve. Teri Hatcher was older than Dean Cain.
Which makes sense. In Superman: The Movie, when Clark leaves Smallville and moves to Metropolis to get a job at the Daily Planet, Lois is already working there and is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist so Lois obviously has already had plenty of experience working as a journalist when Clark starts working for the Daily Planet.
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Post by seahawksraawk00 on Nov 21, 2017 4:48:56 GMT
Lois Lane isn't usual older than Superman Yes, she is. Margot Kidder was older than Christopher Reeve. Teri Hatcher was older than Dean Cain.
Which makes sense. In Superman: The Movie, when Clark leaves Smallville and moves to Metropolis to get a job at the Daily Planet, Lois is already working there and is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist so Lois obviously has already had plenty of experience working as a journalist when Clark starts working for the Daily Planet.
Margot Kidder was only 4 years older and Hatcher was only 1 year older. Hardly a difference in any of those ages and easily able to play younger given that neither their age actually indicated they were really older than Clark in the story. But a 10yr difference is way more noticeable. And as far as I know, Lois was never older than Superman in the comics. So you're just a hypocrite if you're going complain May being younger than her counterpart but not about Lois being older in the DCEU than her comic counterpart. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 4:50:36 GMT
Lois Lane isn't usual older than Superman Yes, she is. Margot Kidder was older than Christopher Reeve. Teri Hatcher was older than Dean Cain. By a small amount, not the decade like there is between Amy Adams and Henry. Of course, you accept Diane Lane as Martha Kent but not Marisa as May. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 4:51:24 GMT
Yes, she is. Margot Kidder was older than Christopher Reeve. Teri Hatcher was older than Dean Cain.
Which makes sense. In Superman: The Movie, when Clark leaves Smallville and moves to Metropolis to get a job at the Daily Planet, Lois is already working there and is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist so Lois obviously has already had plenty of experience working as a journalist when Clark starts working for the Daily Planet.
Margot Kidder was only 4 years older and Hatcher was only 1 year older. Hardly a difference in any of those ages and easily able to play younger given that neither their age actually indicated they were really older than Clark in the story. But a 10yr difference is way more noticeable. And as far as I know, Lois was never older than Superman in the comics. So you're just a hypocrite if you're going complain May being younger than her counterpart but not about Lois being older in the DCEU than her comic counterpart. He's also ignoring that Diane Lane and Marisa Tomei are around the same age too, yet he's fine with Martha Kent being younger than usual. |
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Post by Lord Death Man on Nov 21, 2017 5:29:56 GMT
Yes, she is. Margot Kidder was older than Christopher Reeve. Teri Hatcher was older than Dean Cain. By a small amount, not the decade like there is between Amy Adams and Henry. Of course, you accept Diane Lane as Martha Kent but not Marisa as May. Hey DC-Fan, why is that creepy old cougar, Lois Lane preying on supes? Hee hee hee... |
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Post by scabab on Nov 21, 2017 6:28:25 GMT
The younger Aunt May makes more sense even though it wasn't that way in the original comics. Peter Parker was what? 16 or 17. His mom would likely be in her 40's and yet Aunt May looked like this  Never mind being an Aunt, she looks like she could be his Great Grandmother. That was something the Ultimate comics fixed. |
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Post by sostie on Nov 21, 2017 12:22:08 GMT
So MCU fans have been praising SMH and claiming that SMH is the most faithful adaptation to the comic-book Spider-Man. Are you judging it on the theatrical viewing you lied about seeing it at, or the dodgy download you viewed it on sometime later? Also in your often linked 50 Best Super Hero films list on RT, which you consider "proof" that Wonder Woman is the best, SM:H is 5th...above all other Spider-Man films. So what is it. SM:H is the worst, the list is inaccurate and Wonder Woman is NOT the best CBM movie ever or the list is correct and SM:H IS the best Spider-Man adaptation ever? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 12:26:49 GMT
The younger Aunt May makes more sense even though it wasn't that way in the original comics. Peter Parker was what? 16 or 17. His mom would likely be in her 40's and yet Aunt May looked like this Never mind being an Aunt, she looks like she could be his Great Grandmother. That was something the Ultimate comics fixed. What happened was that back in the 1960s, the way comics were printed and colored meant that unless you really went out of your way to draw someone's face with a LOT of wrinkles there'd be little to no way of showing they were older. If Steve Ditko hadn't made May look all shriveled up she'd have ended up looking the same age as Peter but with white hair. Problem was that later artists were too beholden to this design to realize that May wasn't meant to be THAT old and kept drawing her as this living cadaver even when printing tech had advanced to the point where they wouldn't need to draw her that way to show she was an older character. Of course, May's original portrayal in the comics was incredibly sexist. So making her younger was just another way of making her more of a character than just the plot device she originally was. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 21, 2017 17:11:09 GMT
Lois Lane isn't usual older than Superman Yes, she is. Margot Kidder was older than Christopher Reeve. Teri Hatcher was older than Dean Cain.
Which makes sense. In Superman: The Movie, when Clark leaves Smallville and moves to Metropolis to get a job at the Daily Planet, Lois is already working there and is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist so Lois obviously has already had plenty of experience working as a journalist when Clark starts working for the Daily Planet.
Kidder may have been older than Reeve, but her character wasn't older than Clark Kent in the story. Just a reminder, the little girl on the train who spots teenage Clark running super fast nearby IS Lois. Which always sort of threw me off a bit as a kid, and still does now. |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 17:12:34 GMT
Yes, she is. Margot Kidder was older than Christopher Reeve. Teri Hatcher was older than Dean Cain.
Which makes sense. In Superman: The Movie, when Clark leaves Smallville and moves to Metropolis to get a job at the Daily Planet, Lois is already working there and is a Pulitzer Prize-winning journalist so Lois obviously has already had plenty of experience working as a journalist when Clark starts working for the Daily Planet.
Kidder may have been older than Reeve, but her character wasn't older than Clark Kent in the story. Just a reminder, the little girl on the train who spots teenage Clark running super fast nearby IS Lois. Which always sort of threw me off a bit as a kid, and still does now. I thought that was strange, given how they looked the same age. |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Nov 21, 2017 17:23:19 GMT
Kidder may have been older than Reeve, but her character wasn't older than Clark Kent in the story. Just a reminder, the little girl on the train who spots teenage Clark running super fast nearby IS Lois. Which always sort of threw me off a bit as a kid, and still does now. I thought that was strange, given how they looked the same age. She looked about 8 or 9 there, maybe 7, and since Clark, then 18, spends 12 years in the Fortress training to become Superman that'd make Clark 30, and Lois 19, 20, or 21 - A bit too young to be an accomplish journalist, don't you think? Also college age, scoring degrees in writing are not done in a flash. But I'm sure DC-Fan can enlighten us "dumb MCU fans", right? |
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Post by formersamhmd on Nov 21, 2017 17:56:56 GMT
I thought that was strange, given how they looked the same age. She looked about 8 or 9 there, maybe 7, and since Clark, then 18, spends 12 years in the Fortress training to become Superman that'd make Clark 30, and Lois 19, 20, or 21 - A bit too young to be an accomplish journalist, don't you think? Also college age, scoring degrees in writing are not done in a flash. But I'm sure DC-Fan can enlighten us "dumb MCU fans", right? It is possible that time ran differently inside the Fortress or something? I'm sure he'll try for that contrivance. |
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Post by President Ackbar™ on Nov 21, 2017 18:04:53 GMT
She looked about 8 or 9 there, maybe 7, and since Clark, then 18, spends 12 years in the Fortress training to become Superman that'd make Clark 30, and Lois 19, 20, or 21 - A bit too young to be an accomplish journalist, don't you think? Also college age, scoring degrees in writing are not done in a flash. But I'm sure DC-Fan can enlighten us "dumb MCU fans", right? It is possible that time ran differently inside the Fortress or something? I'm sure he'll try for that contrivance. That scene wasn't even in the theatrical release. It was added to the DVD in 2000. |
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