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Post by thenewnexus on Dec 12, 2017 20:16:48 GMT
Agree that Jackman is the better actor. Thats the problem with RDJ he has little to no range. Awards are bullshit,Johnny Depp is an example of actor whos talented has not won any. Hitchcook never won an Oscar either. Little to no range? Tell me how Chaplin is any bit similar to Tony Stark, tell me how Kirk Lazurus is any bit similar to Sherlock Holmes, tell me how Paul Avery is any bit similar to Lionel Sweeney. You sound like a blind fanboy if you think he's remotely talented. Hes proof why Oscars are a joke |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 20:38:11 GMT
Predictable perhaps but not stupid. Stupid if they think it won't turn away Middle America audiences. Maybe they dont care but if the goal is to preserve it they are failing. People will just show their kids Disney stuff from before the Eisner-Iger era. Given how successful both the Marvel and main Disney films have been, I'd say they aren't turning anyone away. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 20:38:24 GMT
Little to no range? Tell me how Chaplin is any bit similar to Tony Stark, tell me how Kirk Lazurus is any bit similar to Sherlock Holmes, tell me how Paul Avery is any bit similar to Lionel Sweeney. You sound like a blind fanboy if you think he's remotely talented. Hes proof why Oscars are a joke You're an idiot. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 12, 2017 20:50:30 GMT
Given how successful both the Marvel and main Disney films have been, I'd say they aren't turning anyone away. According to whom? Disney's news division has completely turned off white America. If they lie in their news division there is no way of knowing how accurate reports of their popularity is. They take their guidance from Soviet media 1950. It didnt take intelligence for Eisner and Iger to take over Disney. They had friends with money through family and tribal inheritance. I remember Harlan Ellison encountering Eisner at Paramount in the 70s when a Star Trek movie was being proposed. He implied Eisner was a moron--he brought a hairdressing friend to give advice on Star Trek's story. At least Eisner had the sense to drop the Uncle Michael host routine. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 20:58:55 GMT
Given how successful both the Marvel and main Disney films have been, I'd say they aren't turning anyone away. According to whom? Disney's news division has completely turned off white America. If they lie in their news division there is no way of knowing how accurate reports of their popularity is. They take their guidance from Soviet media 1950. It didnt take intelligence for Eisner and Iger to take over Disney. They had friends with money through family and tribal inheritance. I remember Harlan Ellison encountering Eisner at Paramount in the 70s when a Star Trek movie was being proposed. He implied Eisner was a moron--he brought a hairdressing friend to give advice on Star Trek's story. At least Eisner had the sense to drop the Uncle Michael host routine. I'd say the success of their films and non-news TV output is a very good indicator of their popularity. The Beauty and the Beast remake is still sitting at the top as the year's highest grossing film. Only the upcoming Last Jedi, another Disney film, will take it down to second place. And none of their films this year have made less than $800 million. And last year, the entire Top 5 Grossing films was filled entirely with their movies. Say what you want about Eisner, but Iger's done a bang up job of running the company. |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 12, 2017 21:04:21 GMT
I'd say the success of their films and non-news TV output is a very good indicator of their popularity. The Beauty and the Beast remake is still sitting at the top as the year's highest grossing film. Only the upcoming Last Jedi, another Disney film, will take it down to second place. And none of their films this year have made less than $800 million. And last year, the entire Top 5 Grossing films was filled entirely with their movies. Say what you want about Eisner, but Iger's done a bang up job of running the company. It's impossible to know what the truth is with a company that big and dishonest. And they have been dishonest. They wanted a non white for Valkyrie in Thor and claimed they picked the best actress who happened to be nonwhite...but....why was a nonwhite auditioning for a white role in the first place? She walk into the wrong room? Same with the BS around the Ancient One recasting in Dr Strange. Honesty and Wall Street Disney don't go together. They see film as a propaganda apparatus. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 21:09:27 GMT
I'd say the success of their films and non-news TV output is a very good indicator of their popularity. The Beauty and the Beast remake is still sitting at the top as the year's highest grossing film. Only the upcoming Last Jedi, another Disney film, will take it down to second place. And none of their films this year have made less than $800 million. And last year, the entire Top 5 Grossing films was filled entirely with their movies. Say what you want about Eisner, but Iger's done a bang up job of running the company. It's impossible to know what the truth is with a company that big and dishonest. And they have been dishonest. They wanted a non white for Valkyrie in Thor and claimed they picked the best actress who happened to be nonwhite...but....why was a nonwhite auditioning for a white role in the first place? She walk into the wrong room? Same with the BS around the Ancient One recasting in Dr Strange. Honesty and Wall Street Disney don't go together. They see film as a propaganda apparatus. Now you're changing the subject again because you don't like what the numbers say about their films' immense popularity. Give it a rest. No one is going to change how they think about people, ethnicity, and the world with the presence of a black woman in a Thor film or a white woman in a Doctor Strange film. Tessa Thompson got the role because she gave the best audition, and she was there because they were seeing actresses of all ethnicities for the role. This isn't the original Norse mythology, nor are these Asgardians gods, so there is no prerequisite for her being white. I thought you'd love having The Ancient One be white, since the presence of non-whites in cinema seem to offend you. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 12, 2017 21:11:40 GMT
Little to no range? Tell me how Chaplin is any bit similar to Tony Stark, tell me how Kirk Lazurus is any bit similar to Sherlock Holmes, tell me how Paul Avery is any bit similar to Lionel Sweeney. In thenewnexus’s defense, nearly everything I’ve seen with Downey is a variation of the same characterization—when Iron Man came out, critics even noted how well the character fit into the “established Downey persona”—but I don’t think range should be the highest criterion of acting anyway. (And, if anyone fits into acting the same character over and over, it’s Johnny Depp—a very good actor who, largely ever since Jack Sparrow, has relied on this same persona ad nauseam.) My biggest complaint with Downey is that, for the most part, he’s just annoying (qualities mitigated slightly by the portrayal in the first Iron Man). |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 12, 2017 21:17:04 GMT
Little to no range? Tell me how Chaplin is any bit similar to Tony Stark, tell me how Kirk Lazurus is any bit similar to Sherlock Holmes, tell me how Paul Avery is any bit similar to Lionel Sweeney. You sound like a blind fanboy if you think he's remotely talented. Hes proof why Oscars are a joke So you have nothing to prove your claim that RDJ has little to no range as an actor, I've listed very different characters with very different performances and all you've got is "you sound like a blind fanboy", sorry but that's no good in a debate, you're gonna have to do a lot more than that. Carefully elaborate how these characters and performances are one in the same by RDJ; does he use the same body language, the same intonation in his voice, the same projected personality, etc.? If you've got nothing then you really don't have anything. And "blind fanboy"? Really? That's rich coming from you Mr. "Future-Husband-Of-Kat-Dennings", you fan-cast her as almost every character. Examples - Mera, WTF? Black Cat, WTF? Zatanna, WTF? Harley Quinn, WTF? I like her, I really do, but come on man... |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 12, 2017 21:18:50 GMT
Little to no range? Tell me how Chaplin is any bit similar to Tony Stark, tell me how Kirk Lazurus is any bit similar to Sherlock Holmes, tell me how Paul Avery is any bit similar to Lionel Sweeney. In thenewnexus ’s defense, nearly everything I’ve seen with Downey is a variation of the same characterization—when Iron Man came out, critics even noted how well the character fit into the “established Downey persona”—but I don’t think range should be the highest criterion of acting anyway. (And, if anyone fits into acting the same character over and over, it’s Johnny Depp—a very good actor who, largely ever since Jack Sparrow, has relied on this same persona ad nauseam.) My biggest complaint with Downey is that, for the most part, he’s just annoying (qualities mitigated slightly by the portrayal in the first Iron Man). So how are these characters a "variation of the same characterization"? There are like almost no characteristic similarities between Tony Stark and Chaplin and there are no characteristic similarities between Kirk Lazurus and Paul Avery, the only similarity is their portrayer RDJ. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 21:20:27 GMT
There are too many people willing to just completely shit all over the MCU actors in favor of one guy that's hardly had a stellar career over the years. Seriously, for one every good movie Hugh Jackman's in, he'll be in like three bad ones.
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 12, 2017 21:26:40 GMT
JudgeJuryDreddWell, I’m no expert on Downey, but… The wise-cracking smooth-talker? Ebert wrote this, and I’d have to agree with it:
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 12, 2017 21:31:33 GMT
JudgeJuryDredd Well, I’m no expert on Downey, but… The wise-cracking smooth-talker? Ebert wrote this, and I’d have to agree with it: Well that is mostly in relation to Downey's personality in real life, not so much in relation to the other characters he's played. |
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Post by Nalkarj on Dec 12, 2017 21:34:48 GMT
JudgeJuryDredd , we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that. I find that he brings that same persona to most (maybe not all) of his film performances. I don’t necessarily find that a bad thing, I’d like to note.
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 12, 2017 21:39:52 GMT
Tessa Thompson got the role because she gave the best audition, and she was there because they were seeing actresses of all ethnicities for the role. Meaning they didnt want a white woman. Thanks for confirming it again. |
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Post by Deleted on Dec 12, 2017 21:44:19 GMT
Tessa Thompson got the role because she gave the best audition, and she was there because they were seeing actresses of all ethnicities for the role. Meaning they didnt want a white woman. Thanks for confirming it again. Or she gave a better audition than any of the white actresses they interviewed about the role. Also, why do you keep coming back to the MCU, DCEU, and XMU boards? You don't like us and you don't like the films. What are you getting out of returning? |
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Post by Primemovermithrax Pejorative on Dec 12, 2017 21:53:49 GMT
Also, why do you keep coming back to the MCU, DCEU, and XMU boards? You don't like us and you don't like the films. What are you getting out of returning? If I see a thread title in the list, and it intrigues me I check it out. If someone replies to me in the thread, I see it and react. |
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Post by thenewnexus on Dec 13, 2017 0:16:16 GMT
JudgeJuryDredd , we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that. I find that he brings that same persona to most (maybe not all) of his film performances. I don’t necessarily find that a bad thing, I’d like to note. Thats how I feel about RDJ |
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Post by JudgeJuryDredd on Dec 13, 2017 7:33:46 GMT
JudgeJuryDredd , we’re just going to have to agree to disagree on that. I find that he brings that same persona to most (maybe not all) of his film performances. I don’t necessarily find that a bad thing, I’d like to note. Very well. Wish thenewnexus were as classy as you. |
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Post by lukelovesfilm34 on Dec 14, 2017 10:02:42 GMT
I want to see his Wolverine approved and honored by Marvel themselves. He deserves that recognition.
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